Magere Hein

? 17 days left in 2012... regards, Hein

Perhaps this should be in the Howto, or in the Ask a DeathLister topic; it's not particularly important. What do you mean with our teams? If you mean Derby Dead Pool teams: topic Derby Dead Pool 2013 explains it all. regards, Hein

This discussion is silly. This forum is about predicting who will die next year. Those of us who actually make a list, in DDP or in some other way, know that that's not an exact science. The game of it all is that we don't know. Now we can't even agree on what the Highest Profile Death of 2012 is supposed to be. How does predicting the same for 2013, a year of which we don't know who will die, make sense? regards, Hein

Ooh, it's been a while since I heard that. Allow me to add a song by Rod Argent that was made a world-wide hit by some Mexican bloke: The Zombies - She's Not There Following up on harry's Dutch streak I'd like to add two products Made in Belgium: I'm not sure M. Brell would have approved, but he won't complain. regards, Hein

but larry hagman hasnt been on the list since 1996 how is that considered a miss Let's see: died in 2012: check was not on the 2012 list: check was on the list before: check Therefore a 2012 miss, according to the above definition. I think you read "before" as "the year before", but the definition doesn't say that. regards, Hein

Sentenced to life. regards, Hein

Venezuela President Chavez's cancer surgery 'successful', BBC reports. Whatever that means. regards, Hein

He, and Wilfred Bramble, don't fit, as both died before the inaugural DeathList. regards, Hein

Were is Charles Taylor? In prison. Well spotted. regards, Hein

George, his son. regards, Hein

Larry Hagman. 2012's sum of hits and misses[1] stands at 19, a tie for first place with 2003 and 2006. [1]Miss defined as: a person who dies in a calendar year, who's not a pick on that year's list, but was before[2]. [2]Or, in the cases of Bette Davis and Arthur Marshall, after. regards, Hein

There are more That's the big question, assuming we stick to the "death gets written about in reputable news sources" criterion for famousness. I'm not questioning that criterion. I can't think of an alternative, short of a person or committee making the call, which opens a can of worms of its own. I've often put people from the category "oldest man/woman alive" in my DDP team. They're worth few points, but mortality statistics are stacked against them so much that they're safe bets. They rarely hold the title longer than a year. Besse Cooper did, but she snuffed it just in time to keep my hit rate for them at 100%. Mrs. Manfredini may be a slightly dodgy pick for 2013, although her odds of survival to 2014 are still less than even. From a DDP perspective there's nothing wrong with such picks, their obits being assured, but DL has shunned such candidates and I think for good reason: little celeb value other than being Very Old. It's pretty close to Famous for Being Famous. Perhaps I've played DDP too much with a DL attitude by picking interesting celebs. regards, Hein

Yes, I prefer my candidates to be recognisable by most people. But as Windsor says: if you miss one like this in DDP, your chances for a good result go down the drain. I wish death on nobody, but this Andrew Andre (what were his parents thinking, BTW) would do me a big favour by buying the farm before December 31. regards, Hein

Let's wait for confirmation, but assuming he's dead: that's that problem solved. regards, Hein

Huh? The plane is missing, and people are expecting that it has crashed. I see. I obviously misread that sentence; I would have phrased it differently. regards, Hein

Huh? regards, Hein

You can hear me scribbling in my spreadsheet, but one question remains: what are the chances Andrew will get the required obit? Brother of a marginal Aussie celeb, AIUI. regards, Hein

1987: de Cesaris, Wing, Osbourne (3/31) 1989: Bruno, Mandela, Ditka, Paisley, Kendall, Osbourne, Brian Wilson, Jenkins, Cole (9/32) 1990: Noriega, Aznavour, Queen, Alliss, Ditka, Rex Williams, Winfrey, Waite (8/42) 1991: Willis, Mandela, Gabor, Beenhakker (4/40) 1992: Finney, Ryder (2/37) 1993: Bennett, Ian Paisley, Kissinger, Ray Kennedy, Lineker, Jerry Lee Lewis (6/56) 1994: Castro, White, Kirkbride, Holly Johnson, Thorpe, Shilton (6/50) 1995: Castro, Holly Johnson, Forsyth, Connery (4/50) 1996: Mr T, Thorpe, Domino, Castro (4/50) 1997: Rooney, Domino, Kirk Douglas (3/50) 1998: Rooney, Jaruzelski (2/50) 1999: Leeson, Simon (2/50) 2000: Farrakan, Jaruzelski, Biggs (3/50) 2001: Tutu, Minelli, Pincher, Wallach, Wouk, Rooney (6/50) 2002: Biggs, Brady, Kirk Douglas, Kendall (4/50) 2003: Biggs, Rooney, Gabor (3/50) 2004: Biggs, Brady, Musharraf, Wallach, Kirk Douglas, Michelmore, Rooney, Mugabe (8/50) 2005: Biggs, Karzai, Maradona, LaMotta, Wallach, de Havilland, O'Sullevan, Castro, Jerry Lewis (10/50) 2006: di Stefano, Biggs, Wallach, Kirk Douglas, Lynn, Bouteflika, Graham, Ali, Magaret Thatcher, LaMotta, Rooney, Mandela (12/50) 2007: Castro, Sharon, Graham, Biggs, Tim Johnston, Piper, Wallach, Kirk Douglas, de Havilland, Lynn, LaMotta, Molinaro, Vigoda, Jerry Lewis, Farrakhan (15/50) 2008: Biggs, Castro, Pincher, Wallach, Kirk Douglas, Domino, Gabor, Lynn, Sharon, Graham, Watson, Lamotta, Karzai, Klugman (14/50) 2009: Biggs, Havelange, Pincher, Wallach, Castro, Kirk Douglas, Graham, Mandela, Shankar, LaMotta, Rooney, Nancy Reagan, Christopher Lee, Klugman, Cardin, King, Margaret Thatcher, Sharon. (18/50) 2010: Biggs, Wing, Gabor, Pincher, Wallach, Castro, Kirk Douglas, Wouk, de Havilland, Priebke, Healey, Tork, Edrich, Graham, Mandela, Bough, O'Sullevan, Margaret Thatcher, Molinaro, LaMotta, Thornton, Klugman, Norden, Attenborough, King, Lansbury, Jerrt Lewis, Domino, Garner, Sharon. (30/50) 2011: Biggs, Gabor, Kirk Douglas, de Havilland, Healey, Edrich, Margaret Thatcher, LaMotta, Thorton, Khamenei, Klugman, Jerry Lewis, Aretha Franklin, Godfrey, Dole, Cheney, Wing, Pincher, Wallach, Ellison, Mandela, Shankar, Schmidt, Molinaro, Brady, Priebke, Andrews, Sharon, Cardin, Lynn, Michael Douglas, Nancy Reagan, Frederiksen (33/50) Updated for Moore. regards, Hein

The worst, actually. The top 4 misses by number of appearances on a DL are: Patrick Moore 8 Alec Guiness 7 Boris Yeltsin 7 Dom Mintoff 5 regards, Hein

No need to be sad for that reason, since he isn't. regards, Hein

I don't know much about his political views, nor his musical talent, but as an amateur astronomer I mourn his death. It's also regrettable that after 8 times on the DeathList we missed him this year. I 'm glad that he's my 5th DDP hit. regards, Hein

I suppose she didn't see that coming. regards, Hein

If that's 9 inches, I'm a Dutchman... I am a Dutchman, and that's not 9 inches. A politician caught in a lie. Film at 11. regards, Hein

It's a bit hard to express my thoughts in Zsa-Zsa's case. I don't think she'll go in the way we all so love, i.e. by getting ill, going to hospital and snuffing it after a week or so. She's been through too many failed attempts to give me any confidence that this is the end. I think that when she eventually goes it'll be without warning and that may well take a while. Of course, knowing the quality of my predictions, it probably means that she'll croak today. It's always good to hedge one's bets. regards, Hein

Wilhelmus Demarteau, emeritus Vicar Apostolic of the Diocese of Banjarmasin (Indonesia), died yesterday, aged 95. regards, Hein