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Sydney Pollock in ill health & has pulled out of directing his latest movie. Might be worth keeping an eye on.

Indeed. But this is the thread devoted to his father, George Bush Sr, Millwall.

Me. Trust Leroy. Only he could get injured in bed. Ah well, Doyler & Kits up front vs Man U is not a disaster by any means.

John Inman - The Musical Danny La Rue performing again, I see.

This clearly is a London or a luvvie speciality of which I am unaware. What are pork sausages? I have but a potato & cabbage in my rural world I was beginning to worry that it was something new- I hadn't even heard of a psion until Harry mentioned it the other day. Also my father asked me, last week, what is a MP4 player? I looked at him blankly. The only MP fore-player I've ever heard of is David Mellor.

Last I heard Utzon was in very good general health and spirits and in a rest home (so no unexpected falls) - but has that eye condition - the same one Peter Sallis has. Utzon update As for Hazlewood, it's not been announced to the news agencies, but when 22 blogs all say the same thing, I think it's more than likely he has died. Expect it to hit the news agencies tonight. Farewell Lee Hazlewood.

This clearly is a London or a luvvie speciality of which I am unaware. What are pork ges?

I looked at that one - but in truth, his fame has come post-death - I doubt his death made as many headlines as some of the others there at the time of his death. I've not heard of the bulk of some of the names you suggest. Muddy Waters, William Casey, Alex Haley, Sam Walton are all hugely famous obviously to yourself, but complete nobodies to me, and probably vice-versa with some I put forward. LFN, is right, it's impossible to rank people because of their fame in one country transcends fame in another country- Alan Ball was a national hero in England but few Americans would've heard of him - likewise Bill Walsh's recent death was met by a complete & utter "Who? So what?" in the UK. Good idea in theory, practice makes it very difficult................. BUT it is a good argument for a DL convention, especially after a few pints. Sorry, I changed my mind for 2007 top death - Phil Drabble.

Although July has been exemplary for the Death List, that's a bit of a bad miss by the Committee. Kudos to Anubis for pointing it out - I think he's 3rd in the DDP now. I think I'm joint 5th. DDT has got.. what 5 in 3 weeks? It's hard now Hazlewood has gone to really pick cast-iron candidates for either CPDP or for 2008. But, then it should be wide open next year, especially with all naughty Iraqis hanged by then.

Some of the above are a bit strange - I haven't heard of them full-stop, let alone be most significant. Who the f**k was Richard J Daley? But, overall, I think there's some good names. Below find a few suggestions; 1966: Either Buster Keaton, Evelyn Waugh, Montgomery Clift, Henrik Verwoerd, Walt Disney 1967: Really open... Donald Campbell, the Crew of Apollo 1, Konrad Adenauer, Spencer Tracy, Jayne Mansfield, Vivien Leigh, Brian Epstein, Clement Atlee, Che Guevera, Emperor Xuantong, Otis Redding, Harold Holt, Jim Clark 1969: Boris Karloff, Judy Garland, Ho Chi Minh, Brian Jones, Rocky Marciano all run Eisenhower close 1970: Pff... Bertrand Russell, Jochen Rindt, E.M. Forster, Janis Joplin maybe - but it's got to be between Charles de Gaulle & Jimi Hendrix. 1971:Coco Chanel, Harold Lloyd, Papa Doc Duvalier, Jim Morrison, Sir Tyrone Guthrie maybe but again I think it's between Louis Armstrong & Nikita Krushchev 1972: Either J Edgar Hoover, King Edward VIII or Truman. 1973: Noel Coward, Pablo Picasso, JRR Tolkein, Bruce Lee, WH Auden, David Ben Gurion run LBJ close. Picasso is probably the most famous there 1974: Sam Goldwyn, Georges Pompidou, Duke Ellington, Juan Peron, Charles Lindbergh, Jack Benny - I'd say Pompidou as he died in office. 1975: P G Wodehouse, Elijah Muhammad, King Faisal, Chiang Kai-Shek, Haile Selassie, Eamonn de Valera, Dmitri Shostakovich, Graham Hill were all more famous than Moe Howard. 1976: Agatha Christie, Zhou Enlai, Field Marshal Montgomery, Sal Mineo, Busby Berkeley, Sid James, Mao Tse Tung, Benjamin Britten, Howard Hughes 1978: Jomo Kenyatta & Golda Meir are worth mentioning alongside the Pope, Keith Moon for shock effect as well. 1979: Sid Vicious, Josef Mengele, Airey Neave, Lord Mountbatten & Ali Bhutto for the way they died, Mary Pickford, John Wayne, Barbara Hutton 1982: John Belushi, Arthur Lowe, Gilles Villeneuve, Eleanor Powell, Vic Morrow, Henry Fonda, Ingrid Bergman, Grace Kelly, Leonid Brezhnev I'd all put ahead of Bess Truman. 2007: Boris Yeltsin I've said enough & I've got to go now to watch the Grand Prix, but I must admit in some years it is very hard to choose one person ahead of others.

I also thought Harry was dealing with all this, and in a very respectful & organised way too. Now, it seems like you are forcing people to admit, both openly, and by a certain timescale that they are coming. I mean what's the rush? What needs sorting, all of a sudden, that Harry wasn't already sorting? I don't like being pressurised by anybody to commit to plans a long way off, especially when all I have to sort is getting down on the train. If I walked into this bar & no-one was there, then f**k it, I'll head off to watch Fulham v Reading. No sorting there at all, and if there was, I wouldn't need you to do it for me. I've got a holiday first anyway, before I even think about November. By the way, the link works absolutely fine - it's in Central London. Harry, thanks for the respectful, organised & decent way you went about this, but if Millwall's going to be there & this is his attitude to how it's got to be done, then I can't be f**ked, I've got other (and arguably) better things to do. Have fun, those who are going. Finally, why does this need a new thread, and why is it in the main DL forum & not extra-curricular? Post moved - LG

BHB, a question? £8m spent on Nigel Reo Coker?! Letting Davis go for peanuts? Methinks Martin O'Neill is losing the plot.... Villa will be top-half, but I can't see Europe for them this year - unless it's in the cup. As for us, well, we beat Lyon, Wolves, Brentford, Brighton, Shinimizu S Pulse & the mighty Tooting this pre-season, only losing to River Plate. We still have Coppell, Doyle, Shorey & Lita, and Convey & Kitson are back to full fitness. All but one of the first team squad is still here, and two relatively decent signings in. I'll stick my head out and say we'll stay up for another year, probably finish about 12th. Anyone else want to predict this season's champions? I'm going for Manchester United, Watford, Oldham Athletic, MK Dons, Stevenage, Celtic, Hamilton, Ayr United & Stenhousemuir. Manchester City, Derby & Wigan to be relegated from the Premier League.

R. D. Wingfield, the reclusive screenwriter & novelist, who created the detective Jack Frost, which was later turned into A Touch of Frost with David Jason in the lead role, has died of cancer.

Well, now I think about it, if Dunn visited Shamir in full Corporal Jones get-up, Shamir, being riddled with dementia, might mistakenly think he was back in his war days & see Jonesy as an Arab Fuzzy Wuzzy & kill Dunn, before collapsing after all that great effort. But I admit this scenario is extremely unlikely to happen. It would certainly be a fine way for Dunn (and indeed Shamir) to go, rather than dying in their beds.

Shamir or Dunn. Maybe both together.

Yes. Well done on finding it - it's not on the main page. Also well done to Anubis for making the top 5 & to DDT for what I think is his 4th hit in a month...

May I proffer somewhere in the Fulham area? Reading are playing at Craven Cottage that day A Joint DL convention booze-up & a footy match booze-up would suit me right down to the ground.

NAP, this is Iain again. Iain made up Courtney's death before, and now he's doing it again. Quite why he thinks we should fall it, in the first place is beyond me, but twice.... well that is absolute stupidity of the highest order. Not to mention that Iain couldn't even spell Nicholas right... Courtney, is, according to a blog site currently do a series on BBC7 Radio. He's more alive than most of us.

Maurice Papon, for personal reasons. From a personal point of view, hearing of Michele Alboreto's death is the only one that has completely stopped me from what I was doing & just dropping everything & going for a walk to ruminate. Rabin & Senna's was expected to an extent, Diana's was joyous, I'd never heard of Cobain & I'm too young to remember the others. Mind you, River Phoenix's death was one that affected us at school the most, apart from Mr Bather, our chemistry teacher, and his early demise two minutes after our final class of the day.

Couple more worthy of mention:- Profilic TV & stage actor John Normington has also succumbed to pancreatic disease, at the age of 70. Odile Crick, widow of Sir Francis & the person who drew the "Double Helix" has also died, aged 86.

Bloody hell, what a day! It's like the Gods have decided that we'll kill off all the DDP candidates in one day. Just a flipping shame not one of the 6 (I believe) were picked by yours truly. May I also add Marvin Zindler, who was mentioned in the I & P thread, who lost his fight against pancreatic cancer. and also Newspaper editor Richard Stott, who also died from pancreatic cancer, aged 63. So that's Meshkini, Walsh, Snyder, Bergman, McGraw, Drabble, Reid, Serrault, Stott & Zindler all gone in the last 24 hours. I can't ever recall 10 deaths in a day (or certainly not of people I've heard of) Well... at least my 2008 shortlist is much shorter.

Thank God for that. Now 2008 will be littered with fun, funky deathlist selections! So Bergman's death, as I thought, is more exciting than his life.

No, it's interesting stuff in a way, as the DL clearly made some "off-the-wall" choices that proved to be bang on - I mean John Smith's selection, and the likes of Pakenham, Flashman & Budge point to quite an array of interests & different names. A lot of dead golfers there, and cricketers too. Maybe that's what the DL needs more of next year. Basil D'Oliviera for 2008 anyone?

Primate of Sudan seriously ill.

That's debatable. Sorry, I got her mixed up with Lady Bird Johnson. As you do. Edited, thanks. P.S. I wonder how well the DL would do if they picked only candidates of past DL's for the 2008 list?