Octopus of Odstock

David Gualtieri will. The man who, by scoring against England in 1993, marked the lowest point in England's footballing history. Aside from that, it remains, the quickest goal ever scored in a World Cup game, finals or qualifying. Also, they have some old noble families there, and one of them might make it.

The other countries that might have trouble;- (please correct me if I'm wrong - I'd be genuinally interested to see where one some names might come from. If I can think of a famous person, normally a ruler, I haven't included them below. Andorra Bangladesh Barbados Benin Bhutan Burkina Faso Burundi Cape Verde Central African Republic Comoros Djibouti Dominica East Timor Guinea-Bissau Guyana Honduras Kiribati Kyrzgystan Madagascar Malawi Maldives Marshall Islands Mauritania Micronesia Moldova Mongolia Mozambique Nauru Niger Palau St. Kitts & Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent & the Grenadines Sao Tome & Principe Slovakia Somalia Tajikstan Turkmenistan Tuvalu Vanuatu Western Sahara Islands/Colonies/Terrorities: Norfolk Island & the other 5 Australian isles Aruba Netherland Antilles Most of the 16 French Islands/Colonies Cook Islands, Niue & Tokelau Svarbard Anguilla British Virgin Isles Cayman Isles Montserrat Pitcairn Isles Turks & Caicos Isles American Samoa Guam

Jens-Martin Knudsen, aka the "Bobble hatted keeper", is a cult hero in football, and might sneak an obit, during a quiet sporting news week. But he's not likely to die for some time. JMK Heroics Aforementioned bobble hat on Knudsen's head: Can't think of any others.

Very recent & very interesting interview with George Melly. Particulary note "I'm too ill to be operated on" "my death isn't too far away in the future" Plus the fact he has been diagonised with senile dementia. What hasn't the poor man got? He's right on my DDP top 3 for next year, if he makes it. Surely won't last much longer, which is a great shame, for he's always an entertaining fellow.

Hmmm.. this is only the second post to have any kind of Shamir related news in this thread. Former PM's meet minus Sharon & Shamir. In other words, it would appear to back up FF's nursing home news, which I've heard as well. As we've seen around the world, being old, doesn't necessary mean being out of politics (ie Nakasone in Japan), but in Shamir's case, I don't see a return to politics somehow. Note "will not be present" as opposed to "currently unable to attend"

"Nurse nearly killed Ford" Nothing up-to-date, but intriguing nonetheless. If we find that other nurse, Deathlist's totals will swiftly rise.

We all seem to have missed that Waldheim was hospitalised recently, but there was all the Haughey hullabaloo going on, after all. In and Out of hospital. Not life-ending, but not nice either.

Condition still unchanged and still "life threatening"

OdH back in Hollywood Photo included with the article, and both photo & article indicate that she'll be around for a good while yet. Her will to carry on, being one. Her will to outlive Joan Fontaine another.

Close, Phantom, but no cigar. Instead, the man who discovered Waldheim was a Nazi dies, aged 50, during the World Cup. No foul play by Kurt, not this time anyway.

Yes, that's true & it gives no idea about physical state, but news on him has been so scarce since he's left Summer Wine, I thought whatever small titbits did come about would be of interest.

Celeste Holm & Kitty Carlisle Hart still partying

Brian Wilde, of whom so little has been heard about lately, apparently still well & active. Wilde attends funeral of his friend Not much to go on there, but it would appear he can get around & about and perhaps not at deaths door as some have suggested.

Harry Patch, 108 today, bless him. Cream Teas for Harry

Pah - Tyldseley is Goebbels to Ray Stubbs Hitler. But at least it's easier to ignore Stubbs as you can just tune in for the start of the game. With Tyldsley (The man is SO evil it's impossible to spell his name correctly, however it is spelt) there's no escape, especially if you're watching at the pub. Tyldesley & W**ker in google search reveal many of an equal mind: Tydlesley is a W**ker Tydlesley & Hitler reveal some VERY interesting links:- Clive "adolf" Tydlesley Hitler & Tydlesley both "alleged" Everton fans and Is Tydlesley shagging Wayne Rooney? (probably as the Roonster prefers experience, I'm told ) Ah, this has been good. I've wasted a whole half-hour on Tydlesley but I feel at more peace with the world. Until the next game on ITV.

Well, it appears the Queen has forgiven him for his painting of her as he's got a CBE in the Honours List....

First of all, why is F*****t in my original post showing in full, but others not. Interesting... Godot, I think you've missed part of my argument - patrioism is fine. I am pleased English people love their country as much as I love Wales. I, as I said, have no problem with England fans. Being rude & condenscing about everyone else is not, fine, however.. It's Tydelsey that the rant is about. I shouldn't expect any better from the biggest F*****t in football bar Ray Stubbs. Not one person at the pub was slagging Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland & Trinidad. Neither were most of the players, papers, TV etc. Only Tydelsey, in front of the entire nation, saw fit to ridicule every other nation bar England. Motson doesn't stoop so low. There's just no need for it, that's all. One other thing - the English national anthem (the one played at the Commonwealth Games) is "Land of Hope & Glory". "God Save The Queen" is the British National anthem. They only sing "GSTQ" as the words are easier for Beckham & Rio. On other things: Cambiasso's goal vs Serbia was one of THE greatest. What a game, what a performance, and what a goal! Thoroughly enjoyable. Argentina's performance was not only as good as Brazil's in 1970, but Reading FC's in 2005-06!! and where's MPFC? Should someone check in on him? I say this as... Paul Simpson left the club to become Preston North End boss. That's Carlisle f**ked. Hawley's bound to join his old boss.

Cowboy Ronnie, I would hardly call Merckx, Ickx or Clijsters minor. Toots Thielemans has a had a best selling "pop" single, "Midnight Cowboy". I am flabbergasted you've not even heard of the most famous of the King Leopold's. (this is with no research on wiki etc.) King Leopold was the man who was one of the chief protagonists in "the Scramble for Africa" colonisation period between 1870-1920. The man wanted to own the whole of Africa, or as much as he could. He sponsored Stanley for numerous expiditions and eventually Stanley came up trumps, and took one of Africa's jewels, the Congo (later renamed Belgian Congo), plus a few other smaller terrorities. But his bloodythirsty greed backfired. Due to human rights abuses & gross mis-finance, his legacy was tarnished. He ran Belgium well, but that's not difficult. He f**ked up Congo big-time, and didn't help development elsewhere. Even when he was long dead, his name & memory was enough to cause problems. When Patrice Lumbumba, the first independent Congolese President (later assisinated by the CIA), made his first speech, the Belgians were expecting a "thanks for all you work blah blah" speech. Not a jot of it. Lumbumba savaged Belgian incomptence & lambasted Leopold as a "tyrant, meglomanic idiot" etc. He was 100% spot on. For some reason King Baudoin, Leopold's grandson, who was at the ceremony didn't agree Well, CR, what more do you want to know? As for the other two Leopolds, they were crap & not worthy of mention.

For some bizarre reason, I got this e-mail from a "jane2206". i saw you posted some news about her death. she had returned to south africa last year to care for elderly parents , she flew to amsterdam and checked into a hotel where she subsequently took her own life- very sad for a very brilliant woman and maybe will rock the therapy world !! she had the last word she wants no memorial service Haven't the foggiest where I should put it on this forum, but MPFC, it might give a reason for her suicide. Caring for elderly parents is a pretty mind & body sapping thing.

Hear hear. Although I am Welsh (family & heritage), I was born in England & have lived there for at least half my life. I have no problem with the average England fan & wish them the best. But before the game had EVEN KICKED OFF, Clive Tydelsey's xenophobic rantings immediately switched my support to Trinidad. I don't mind a bit of bias, but he really was too much. Peter Drury too, in the Ecuador v Costa Rica game. There were disaparaging remarks about the standards of the Welsh & Northern Irish National teams and Scottish League by Tydelsey during the game and then these media fuckwits can't understand why the majority of football fans from those three countries want anyone other than England to win. C'mon Sweden and Ecuador/Germany. Don't blame me, blame the media.

Why don't you just choose not to see the signatures? There's an option in the My Controls at the top of the page. So many of the sigs are so messy or big that I just find it easier to choose to "switch them off", as it were.

Just quickly worth mentioning that she was at the service for the Queen's official 80th birthday today. Looked fine - not quite her old sparkling self, but less frail than before.

Or another World Cup joke, too far advanced for The Sun: The Pain by Spain falls mainly on Ukraine.

2 more dead! Raymond Devos, a "humourist" & Jean Roba, a comics artist, according to Wikipedia. If this carries on, there will be NO Belgians, famous or otherwise, left for the DL selections. I do hope no-one (iain) is going round killing them to please Godot. That's not sporting.

Seeing as you speak Arabic, I think it might be better to go round saying you are of Tunisian or Saudi ancestry, because the Ukraine were abysmal. Couldn't defend at set pieces, ill-disciplined, no imagination up front & Shevchenko looked far from 100%. Thoroughly second-rate. They can blame heat or the referee, but really, there were no excuses for losing 4-0. Though, with £140 coming my way, if the Ukraine go out in the group stages, I am slightly biased against them, I admit. (and a red card helps no end towards that)