Political Frailty

[Guest Goldeneye-69]

Thursday, September 15th:

 

PARIS (AFP) - Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika, who has been hospitalised in Paris for over a fortnight, "likely" has stomach cancer, a leading French doctor said based on a description of his symptons.

 

"It is very hard to make a diagnosis. If it is true that he first suffered gastrointestinal blood loss, then it is likely to be stomach cancer," Bernard Debre, head of the urology department at Paris's Cochin hospital, siad Thursday.

 

"I say likely, because I cannot see what else it could be," the doctor, who did not personally examine Bouteflika, told France Inter radio.

 

The 68-year-old Algerian leader was operated for a "bleeding stomach ulcer", according to a medical statement issued on December 5 -- the only official information about his condition since he was hospitalised on November 26.

 

Algerian officials have since said Bouteflika was recovering normally in hospital, but there has been worried speculation that his condition may be more serious than publicly admitted.

[Banshees Scream 110]

These are politicians, former PM's, and presidents that could have a place on next years list. They are the following...

Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo - Obiang is suffering from terminal prostate cancer, amongst other illnesses, is reported to weigh as little as 50kg, and is said to be existing in agony.

Robert Mugabe - Rumored failing health\canidate of the past

Hosni Mubarak - Prostate Cancer\president of Egypt

Jorge Rafael Videla Redondo - Former president Argentina

Lee Kuan Yew\ first Prime Minister of the Republic of Singapore\ 83 years old

Khamtai Siphandon\ Former president of Laos\ 82 years old

Wojciech Jaruzelski\ Former Polish PM\ 83 years old

Walter Scheel\ federal minister of economic cooperation and development\87 years old

Helmut Schmidt\ German politician\ 88 years old

[Octopus of Odstock 2,215]

These are politicians, former PM's, and presidents that could have a place on next years list. They are the following...

 

Helmut Schmidt\ German politician\ 88 years old

 

Schmidt still jetsetting

 

Funny you should mention him just as I was looking for somewhere to post this article. Looks robust & frequent flying means he isn't on deaths door yet, even if he does like a cigarette or 70.

 

Not for DL 2007, me thinks.

[Banshees Scream 110]

Helmet was just included because of his age. A few days ago I did some research, Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo is going to die, the egyption president probably won't, but he is named because of his cancer. Overall a few of these names should be successful next year.

[BrunoBrimley 86]

These are politicians, former PM's, and presidents that could have a place on next years list. They are the following...

 

Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo - Obiang is said to be existing

 

Robert Mugabe - Rumored canidate of the past

Hosni Mubarak - Cancer of Egypt

Jorge Rafael Videla Redondo - Former

Lee Kuan Yew- Minister of of Singapore

Khamtai Siphandon- resident of Laos

Wojciech Jaruzelski- Former PM

Walter Scheel- federal development

Helmut Schmidt-German pear, old

Aside from the obvious.......that there is a thread for 2007 possibles I am disgruntled that you neglected several fine choices and misspelled candidate.

[themaninblack 2,112]

Mugabe and Schmidt are probale DLr's

 

Thingywhathisname sounds like a good harvester of points for DDP,

so he's on that provisional list...

 

 

 

 

...which is getting ever larger....

[maryportfuncity 10,682]

Mind it's a bugger, Gerald Ford - DL 2005 and 2006 - may well die in 2007. Never was much of a crowd pleaser our Gerald!

[themaninblack 2,112]

Mind it's a bugger, Gerald Ford - DL 2005 and 2006 - may well die in 2007. Never was much of a crowd pleaser our Gerald!

 

He weren't much of a President either...but no matter...he's going to die if

it's the last thing he does!

[Rotten Ali 600]

180.56 Sharon

162.04 Castro

153.37 Ford

122.31 Thatcher

115.00 Lanasa Conte

113.88 Mugabe

111.24 Pinochet

110.98 Yeltsin

98.00 Ulufa'alu

88.31 Shamir

86.77 Bush GWH (41)

83.60 Noriega

82.14 Mubarak

78.74 Bush GW (43)

76.32 Musharraf

70.00 Berlusoni

69.00 Mbasogo

68.49 Allawi

68.60 Botha

68.44 Mandela

65.22 Jaruzleski

65.06 Mulroney

58.36 Abbas

57.08 Menem

56.84 Blair

56.58 Pope Ben'XVI

56.39 Chirac

55.78 Clinton

54.00 Talabai

52.08 Kohl

51.52 Waldheim

51.00 Karzai

49.33 Schmidt

43.46 Gorbachev

43.12 Chrietian

41.10 Mintoff

38.41 Boutros B' Ghali

39.84 Carter

38.31 Vajpayee

37.49 Yuhchenko

37.00 Barre

35.11 Alfonsin

35.00 Schroeder

35.00 Bouteflika

30.50 Ahamadinejad

30.02 Peron

26.05 Major

24.02 Yew

23.18 d'Estaing

 

Just a few names that have found their way into my spreadsheet.

[football_fan 42]

There are many good choices on that list RA. There is a question I have been meaning to ask you though. How do you come up with a scoring system for your choices? Is there a certain amount of points you allocate for old age, health, hospital visits, illness, etc and how do you allocate them?

 

Regards,

 

ff

[Rotten Ali 600]

Hi Football Fan

Sometimes it a rule of thumb - but I've standardised a factor of seriousness from say 3 months to live 70points in its own right down to say 0.33 points for each year of parkinsons. Prognosis, complaint and condition added to how often their name crops up (OoO was so very helpfull) plus a tiny fraction of times picked by the hords on Rotten.com (still cross checking the top 100 choices) plus a larger fraction for previous picks on DDP. (I'm still adding new names from this years DDP) (going to mash into it the lists from HPDP & CPDP) Adding into the mix a "near death" figure - for open ended pools a straight line graph, and from those pools with a banding - ones rigged with a sawtooth bias towards age grouped to match so as to gain maximum points verses risk of waisting choices.

[DevonDeathTrip 2,365]

Bartholomew Ulufa'alu is going on my DDP next year. Anyone with a name as fantastic as that is deserving of more widespread recognition.

[Dr Strangelove 14]

Just a few names that have found their way into my spreadsheet.

51.52 Waldheim

56.84 Blair

You think Blair will go before Waldheim?

Both the Bushes will go before Mandella?

I think you need to review your equations man.

[themaninblack 2,112]

Hi Football Fan

Sometimes it a rule of thumb - but I've standardised a factor of seriousness from say 3 months to live 70points in its own right down to say 0.33 points for each year of parkinsons. Prognosis, complaint and condition added to how often their name crops up (OoO was so very helpfull) plus a tiny fraction of times picked by the hords on Rotten.com (still cross checking the top 100 choices) plus a larger fraction for previous picks on DDP. (I'm still adding new names from this years DDP) (going to mash into it the lists from HPDP & CPDP) Adding into the mix a "near death" figure - for open ended pools a straight line graph, and from those pools with a banding - ones rigged with a sawtooth bias towards age grouped to match so as to gain maximum points verses risk of waisting choices.

 

Blimey, and I thought I was taking deadpools far too seriously!

[BrunoBrimley 86]

Mind it's a bugger, Gerald Ford - DL 2005 and 2006 - may well die in 2007. Never was much of a crowd pleaser our Gerald!

I thoughhtte buggery was agaijnnst the lasw in these parts.

[Banshees Scream 110]

You think Blair will go before Waldheim?

Both the Bushes will go before Mandella?

I think you need to review your equations man.

 

George HW Bush lives beyond his sons presidency. Tony Blair lives for many years. George W Bush lives for many years. Nelson Mandella has a few moments - hopefully.

[Banshees Scream 110]

111.24 Pinochet

 

Something tells me General Augusto Pinochet is living off borrowed time...

[BrunoBrimley 86]

111.24 Pinochet

 

Something tells me General Augusto Pinochet is living off borrowed time...

arent we all?

[Rotten Ali 600]

Come on guy's stop having a go at my maths - I'm also factoring into the equation that Blair has heart problems and like the guy who can't eat a few pretzels without half choaking himself to death are both major targets for all those family members of 500,000 dead Iraqi's to go seeking some revenge.

[Octopus of Odstock 2,215]

Come on guy's stop having a go at my maths - I'm also factoring into the equation that Blair has heart problems and like the guy who can't eat a few pretzels without half choaking himself to death are both major targets for all those family members of 500,000 dead Iraqi's to go seeking some revenge.

 

Well, on that basis, change your maths. There's more Jews than Iraqi's waiting to exact revenge on ol' Nazi Kurt. Who, as it has been discussed already on this fora, is not a well old man.

 

Redo your equations sonny.

[CarolAnn 926]

Come on guy's stop having a go at my maths - I'm also factoring into the equation that Blair has heart problems and like the guy who can't eat a few pretzels without half choaking himself to death are both major targets for all those family members of 500,000 dead Iraqi's to go seeking some revenge.

 

Blair's heart problem is supraventricular tachycardia. Unlike ventricular tachycardia, supraventricular tachycardia is not generally fatal.

 

He underwent an ablation for it and, if successful (which it was supposed to have been) he shouldn't have anymore irregular heartbeat.

 

Most people with SVT don't have the ablation as it is controllable with medication - and sometimes without medication - but if I was the cardiologist for the Prime Minister I'd recommend the ablation as well.

 

I have a cardiac arrythmia myself (premature ventricular contractions), and I don't expect it to lessen my lifespan. Some of the other things I have done, now, are another story.....

[Octopus of Odstock 2,215]

Bartholomew Ulufa'alu is going on my DDP next year. Anyone with a name as fantastic as that is deserving of more widespread recognition.

 

I suggest you think again.

Ulufa'alu has made a full recovery from his emergency stay in hospital and resigned his post as finance minister on Monday over the Solomon Isle's links with Australia.

 

You can add him on for the name, but don't expect him to die.

[DevonDeathTrip 2,365]

Bartholomew Ulufa'alu is going on my DDP next year. Anyone with a name as fantastic as that is deserving of more widespread recognition.

 

I suggest you think again.

Ulufa'alu has made a full recovery from his emergency stay in hospital and resigned his post as finance minister on Monday over the Solomon Isle's links with Australia.

 

You can add him on for the name, but don't expect him to die.

 

That is a shame. Saad Al-Abdullah Al-Salim Al-Sabah it is then.

[Ize 3]

Ian Paisly has been moving about a bit too much for an 80 year old recently, he's giving an interview every news programme that'll have him. Seems fairly healthy at the minute but is supposed to be just getting over a long unspecified illness, prehaps next year-dying just before he becomes first minister.

[DevonDeathTrip 2,365]

Bartholomew Ulufa'alu is going on my DDP next year. Anyone with a name as fantastic as that is deserving of more widespread recognition.

 

I suggest you think again.

Ulufa'alu has made a full recovery from his emergency stay in hospital and resigned his post as finance minister on Monday over the Solomon Isle's links with Australia.

 

You can add him on for the name, but don't expect him to die.

 

this article (so hot off the press it is has tomorrow's date) is still referring to Ulufa'alu as gravely ill.