Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: Where do you access the Irish birth records? Family Search. Its free as well. Very similar to the English and Welsh ones in that its listed quarterly but better than nowt. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 10, 2022 PS William Simpson did indeed die in 2021. SIMPSON, WILLIAM 1919 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2021 in WAKEFIELD (097-1A) Entry Number 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 26, 2022 Hope to have the final additions for 1930-1932 before the World Cup - if not before. I have found one death though - Roy Evans (1929) - ex Watford and Millwall: Bernard, Royden Evans found in 2 trees Bernard, Royden Evans from tree Kevin Evans family tree Record information. Birth 1929 England No publicly available family members 6 People0 Records0 Sources Contact Tree Owner Bernard R Evans from tree Jones Family Tree Record information. Birth Oct 1929 Olave, Siquijor, Philippines Marriage Jan 1951 Bromley, Kent, England Death Adelaide, South Australia, Australia Record information. Spouse Judy P Sawyer 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 26, 2022 Three 1930 births struck off the new list before it goes live: John Durkin, ex-Gillingham, who is listed as still being alive on Hugman's footballers, died just shy of 40 years ago: John Durkin found in 25 trees John Durkin from tree Russell Family Tree Record information. Birth 18 Apr 1930 Hill of Beath, Fife, Scotland Death 3 Jul 1983 Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Ray Williams, ex-Tranmere, died in South Africa (date unknown) William Raymond Williams from tree Glyn-Cuthbert Family Tree Record information. Birth 30 Dec 1930 Merseyside, Cheshire, England Residence 1939 Cheshire, England Marriage 1958 Cheshire, England Death South Africa Record information. Father William D Williams (Born 1901) Record information. Mother Gwendoline Owens (Born 1907) Meanwhile Billy Pye, also alive on Hugman's (ex-Stockport), died in 2010: William Pye 1930–2010 BIRTH 8 NOV 1930 DEATH 8 FEB 2010 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 27, 2022 I don't know if anyone from Hugman's checks this (or people can send this to them but the following 1931 births are also off the list. I think a few of these are on Wikipedia too @Ulitzer95 Douglas Taylor from tree Britton Record information. Birth 20 Apr 1931 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Residence 1939 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Death Sep 2001 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England William Tolson from tree Gwen24 Record information. Birth 29 Mar 1931 Rochdale, Lancashire, England No publicly available family members 44698 People2 Records2 Sources Contact Tree Owner William Tolson from tree Robinson Family Tree Record information. Birth 1931 England Death 17 Mar 2014 Armadale, Victoria, Australia Record information. Father Thomas Tolson Mother Mary Hannah Baalam Spouse Patricia Shirley Martin (1933-2021) Fred Sutcliffe from tree paul margrave Record information. Birth 29 May 1931 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Residence 1939 Riding, Northumberland, England Marriage Jul 1954 Cheshire, England Death Jan 1972 Chester, Cheshire, England Record information. Father Ernest Sutcliffe (1881-1964) Record information. Mother edith annie bastow (1893-1964) William McLean William McLean from tree McLean Family Tree Record information. Birth 14 Aug 1931 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Death 19 Aug 1984 Adelaide, South Australia, Australia Record information. Father Thomas McLean Spouse Louisa Fairhurst David Williams from tree Lindsay Williams Paternal Family Tree Record information. Birth 7 Oct 1931 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Marriage 15 Sep 1955 England Residence Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Death 2 Mar 2012 Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Record information. Father David Williams (1903-1961) Record information. Mother Ethel Taylor (1906-1971) John Summers Davidson from tree Marshall Family Tree Record information. Birth 6 Nov 1931 Scotland Marriage Mar 1956 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Residence 1993 Pacifica, San Mateo, California, USA Death 30 Aug 2016 Martinez, Contra Costa, California, USA 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted October 28, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 21:08, Octopus of Odstock said: Three 1930 births struck off the new list before it goes live: John Durkin, ex-Gillingham, who is listed as still being alive on Hugman's footballers, died just shy of 40 years ago: John Durkin found in 25 trees John Durkin from tree Russell Family Tree Record information. Birth 18 Apr 1930 Hill of Beath, Fife, Scotland Death 3 Jul 1983 Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Ray Williams, ex-Tranmere, died in South Africa (date unknown) William Raymond Williams from tree Glyn-Cuthbert Family Tree Record information. Birth 30 Dec 1930 Merseyside, Cheshire, England Residence 1939 Cheshire, England Marriage 1958 Cheshire, England Death South Africa Record information. Father William D Williams (Born 1901) Record information. Mother Gwendoline Owens (Born 1907) Meanwhile Billy Pye, also alive on Hugman's (ex-Stockport), died in 2010: William Pye 1930–2010 BIRTH 8 NOV 1930 DEATH 8 FEB 2010 I've looked extensively for all 3 of these. Whilst I can find Pye in the GRO, I can't find anything strong enough to link it up on Wikipedia. As for Durkin, newspaper obit here. Alas, doesn't mention age, DOB or that he was a footballer! I've moved all 3 to possibly living on Wiki until stronger sources appear. Hopefully Hugman's can verify + update but it doesn't look like their site is getting many updates recently! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Octopus of Odstock said: I don't know if anyone from Hugman's checks this (or people can send this to them but the following 1931 births are also off the list. I think a few of these are on Wikipedia too @Ulitzer95 Douglas Taylor from tree Britton Record information. Birth 20 Apr 1931 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Residence 1939 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Death Sep 2001 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England William Tolson from tree Gwen24 Record information. Birth 29 Mar 1931 Rochdale, Lancashire, England No publicly available family members 44698 People2 Records2 Sources Contact Tree Owner William Tolson from tree Robinson Family Tree Record information. Birth 1931 England Death 17 Mar 2014 Armadale, Victoria, Australia Record information. Father Thomas Tolson Mother Mary Hannah Baalam Spouse Patricia Shirley Martin (1933-2021) Fred Sutcliffe from tree paul margrave Record information. Birth 29 May 1931 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Residence 1939 Riding, Northumberland, England Marriage Jul 1954 Cheshire, England Death Jan 1972 Chester, Cheshire, England Record information. Father Ernest Sutcliffe (1881-1964) Record information. Mother edith annie bastow (1893-1964) William McLean William McLean from tree McLean Family Tree Record information. Birth 14 Aug 1931 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Death 19 Aug 1984 Adelaide, South Australia, Australia Record information. Father Thomas McLean Spouse Louisa Fairhurst David Williams from tree Lindsay Williams Paternal Family Tree Record information. Birth 7 Oct 1931 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Marriage 15 Sep 1955 England Residence Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Death 2 Mar 2012 Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Record information. Father David Williams (1903-1961) Record information. Mother Ethel Taylor (1906-1971) John Summers Davidson from tree Marshall Family Tree Record information. Birth 6 Nov 1931 Scotland Marriage Mar 1956 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Residence 1993 Pacifica, San Mateo, California, USA Death 30 Aug 2016 Martinez, Contra Costa, California, USA Wasn't much help for many of these BUT I did find a newspaper clipping from the Cheshire Observer about Fred Sutcliffe's death. It's here and I've updated his Wiki. Cheers! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 28, 2022 Okay, here's the graduates of 1932 scrubbed out - for Hugmans/Wiki (where appropriate) Joe Tyrrell - Joseph James Tyrrell from tree Full McNamara-Abrahamson Tree Record information. Birth Jan 1932 London, London, England Marriage Apr 1955 Yorkshire, England Residence 2003 Folkestone, Kent, England Death 1 Mar 2014 Folkestone, Kent, England Terrie Knight - Terrie George Knight from tree Knight Goddard Tree v4 Record information. Birth 1 Feb 1932 University, Hillsborough, Florida, USA Residence 1951 Alton, Hampshire, England Marriage 1 Jun 1957 Upper Farringdon, Hampshire, England Death 23 Apr 2021 Alton, Madison, Illinois, USA Ray Snowball - raymond snowball from tree snowball Family Tree Record information. Birth 16 Mar 1932 York, Yorkshire, England Marriage Sep 1957 York, Yorkshire, England Death 2007 York, Yorkshire, England Tommy Bisset - Thomas Alexander Bisset from tree Yarnley Family Tree Record information. Birth 21 Mar 1932 Croydon Death 2011 Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland Mick Fazackerley - Michael Alexander Fazackerley from tree Commons*/ Jolly *^/Airey** Record information. Birth 8 Apr 1932 Manchester, Lancashire, England Marriage Jan 1953 Manchester, Lancashire, England Residence 1968 New South Wales, Australia Death 21 Feb 2008 New South Wales, Australia Ken Chapman Kenneth Arthur Chapman from tree Chapman Family Tree Record information. Birth 25 Apr 1932 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Marriage Mar 1954 Crewe, Cheshire, England Residence 2004 Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Death 22 May 2019 Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Alan Herron Alan Herron from tree Greta Herron Family Tree Record information. Birth 6 Oct 1932 Northumberland, England Marriage 1953 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Residence 1960 England Death 4 Oct 2013 Clay, Arkansas, USA Bill Ellaway: William John Ellaway from tree Ellaway Family Tree Record information. Birth Oct 1932 Crediton, Devon, England Marriage Jul 1958 Central, Renfrewshire, Scotland Death 22 Apr 2022 Exeter, Devon, England Robert Baldridge Robert William Baldridge from tree Stephenson Family Tree Record information. Birth 26 Nov 1932 Sunderland, Durham, England Marriage 1959 Sunderland, Durham, England Residence 2003 Sunderland, Durham, England Death 2014 Sunderland, Durham, England Robert Moore: Robert Moore from tree Moore Family Tree Record information. Birth 14 Dec 1931 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England Marriage Oct 1965 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Death 18 Feb 2014 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England John Hyatt: john william hyatt from tree hyatt Family Tree Record information. Birth 20 Dec 1932 England Death 18 Oct 1998 Isle of Wight, England and finally: Denis Smith Denis Noel Smith from tree Collins & associated families Record information. Birth 23 Dec 1932 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Marriage Apr 1955 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Residence Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Death 10 Nov 2004 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted October 30, 2022 On 28/10/2022 at 23:03, Octopus of Odstock said: Ray Snowball - raymond snowball from tree snowball Family Tree Record information. Birth 16 Mar 1932 York, Yorkshire, England Marriage Sep 1957 York, Yorkshire, England Death 2007 York, Yorkshire, England Tommy Bisset - Thomas Alexander Bisset from tree Yarnley Family Tree Record information. Birth 21 Mar 1932 Croydon Death 2011 Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland Tommy Bisset checks out, as per a match on Scotland's People. Ray Snowball... are you not skeptical of that one? He was honoured with a street named after him in 2001. Bizarre that he should die without a mention in any newspaper etc? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said: Tommy Bisset checks out, as per a match on Scotland's People. Ray Snowball... are you not skeptical of that one? He was honoured with a street named after him in 2001. Bizarre that he should die without a mention in any newspaper etc? Well, given this, very sceptical! https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19985840.fa-amateur-cup-winner-crook-town-marks-90th-birthday/ Added back on and apologies. You'd for think a family member would know what they're doing 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 30, 2022 I think the rest of them are kosher though. Ellaway's mentioned here https://grecianarchive.exeter.ac.uk/items/show/1533 with am extra obit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted October 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: I think the rest of them are kosher though. Ellaway's mentioned here https://grecianarchive.exeter.ac.uk/items/show/1533 with am extra obit. I've updated the ones on Wiki that are indisputable. I've left Tommy Bisset for now. 99% certain that it's him, but Croydon to Dumfriesshire is an odd move after you've built a career into your 30s in the south of England. It would need to be proven somehow. Sadly there are no newspaper clippings on him after 1960. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michael featherstone 13 Posted October 31, 2022 hi its MIchael from Hugman's footballers You found a load of deaths that I didn't find mainly from abroad Roy Evans DIED IN 2016 RE Watford site I found John Galloway died Jersey 2016 Harry Sutherland died Melbourne 1968 John Dixon Foxton died Bateau Bay NSW Australia 29th May 1995 daughter emigrated Leonard Archibald Young born 1912 coaching in Australia 1950 no trace of death Vivian Woodward ex Fulham emigrated to Australia in the 1980s no trace of death William Dunlop Reid wife died in Canada 1980 cant find his death no players born before 1924 alive but no information known after they retired from football Michael 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michael featherstone 13 Posted October 31, 2022 Graham Bailey alive Jim smith born 1920 was alive in Bolton 10 years ago 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted October 31, 2022 Jim Cairney: Hugman's No confirmation re. death but moved to Canada in 1960 - it's definitely him by the clue given by occupation! The trail goes cold thereafter, but this is not one chap to check on GRO. Name James Cairney Sex Male Age 29 Travel Place MONTREAL, CANADA Arrival Place CANADA Departure Date 15 Apr 1960 Departure Place Scotland, United Kingdom Departure Place (Original) Scotland Birth Date 13 Jul 1931 Marital Status Single Occupation PROF SOCCER PLAYER Owner Name Canadian Pacific S S Coy Event Type Emigration Arrival Port MONTREAL Departure Port GREENOCK Ship Name EMPRESS OF ENGLAND 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted November 1, 2022 On 31/10/2022 at 13:14, michael featherstone said: hi its MIchael from Hugman's footballers You found a load of deaths that I didn't find mainly from abroad Michael @michael featherstone, when you next update Hugman's can you please update: Barry Mansell d. July 2008, Portsmouth Robert Odell d. 2017, Isle of Wight Ray Hudson d. 15 Jul 1993, Leominster All ex-Reading FC players Now, back to the 1932 lists. @Ulitzer95, this one's a bit fuzzy, but I do think it's our man. Tommy Heenan, born in Scotland, played for Bradford Park Avenue. Very few Thomas Heenan's (with no middle name) were born in 1932 - none in England or Wales and none in Ireland. Therefore, I am reasonably confident this is our man. Emigrates to New Zealand: Name Thomas Heenan Age 33 Immigration Date 2 Sep 1965 Immigration Place Auckland, New Zealand Departure Date 1965 Departure Place Southampton Birth Year (Estimated) 1932 Event Type Immigration Arrival Port Auckland (other ports also listed) Departure Port Southampton Ship Name Ellinis and then dies there in 1987 with that birth date being identical. There's not that much to link a Scot going to New Zealand but I think it is the same due to the lack of other possibilties. PS Les Barrell also moved to New Zealand, in 1963. So that's another for overseas and not GRO. Name Thomas Heenan Death or Burial Place Naenae, Lower Hutt, Wellington, New Zealand Death or Burial Longitude 174.9572993 Death or Burial Latitude -41.195839 Cemetery Taita Cemetery Death Date 21 Jun 1987 Birth Date 16 Jun 1932 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: Now, back to the 1932 lists. @Ulitzer95, this one's a bit fuzzy, but I do think it's our man. Tommy Heenan, born in Scotland, played for Bradford Park Avenue. Very few Thomas Heenan's (with no middle name) were born in 1932 - none in England or Wales and none in Ireland. Therefore, I am reasonably confident this is our man. Emigrates to New Zealand: Name Thomas Heenan Age 33 Immigration Date 2 Sep 1965 Immigration Place Auckland, New Zealand Departure Date 1965 Departure Place Southampton Birth Year (Estimated) 1932 Event Type Immigration Arrival Port Auckland (other ports also listed) Departure Port Southampton Ship Name Ellinis and then dies there in 1987 with that birth date being identical. There's not that much to link a Scot going to New Zealand but I think it is the same due to the lack of other possibilties. Name Thomas Heenan Death or Burial Place Naenae, Lower Hutt, Wellington, New Zealand Death or Burial Longitude 174.9572993 Death or Burial Latitude -41.195839 Cemetery Taita Cemetery Death Date 21 Jun 1987 Birth Date 16 Jun 1932 There was only one Thomas Heenan born in Scotland in 1932. Definitely him. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted November 2, 2022 Finally in the home stretch now - only GRO to check and the 1930, 1931 and 1932 births will be on there. Should have this done by Saturday latest; just 45 to check now. GRO has confirmed that Don May, ex-Bury, died in 2015. MAY, DONALD IVOR 1931 GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2015 in TELFORD AND WREKIN (716-1A) Entry Number 511604048 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted November 3, 2022 Okay, on the front page, I present the list of players born pre-1st January 1933 (as far as I can make out) The list stands at around 200, but I've added three more years and I'm sure some will be whittled down in due course through further sleuthing. Some very famous names there, including Welsh legend Terry Medwin, former England international Colin McDonald, Welsh stalwart Des Palmer, cricket legend Mickey Stewart and former QPR manager Gordon Jago MBE. Some fallers just before the end; Aldershot and Dunfermline player Bob Gilchrist died in 2013: GILCHRIST, ROBERT COOK 1932 GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2013 in BLACKPOOL (581-1A) Entry Number 508868560 Ron Floyd, Coventry born, ex-Crewe and West Brom player, died in 2020 - FLOYD, RONALD CHARLES 1932 GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2020 in COVENTRY (063-1A) Entry Number 520077261 and Ron Appleton, Workington right-winger, died in 2012; APPLETON, RONALD 1932 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2012 in CUMBRIA (387-1J) Entry Number 507464304 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoismakoto 328 Posted December 4, 2022 Found this player not listed in your list @Octopus of Odstock, Tommy Forde. He was signed by Wolverhampton Wanderers but never played a single game for them and return to Northern Ireland. Will have to check if he is really still alive in Australia. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted December 4, 2022 7 hours ago, whoismakoto said: Found this player not listed in your list @Octopus of Odstock, Tommy Forde. He was signed by Wolverhampton Wanderers but never played a single game for them and return to Northern Ireland. Will have to check if he is really still alive in Australia. He's not on the list as he never played a football league game, but it'll be good to know if he's still alive, for checking who is the oldest former international for Northern Ireland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoismakoto 328 Posted December 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: He's not on the list as he never played a football league game, but it'll be good to know if he's still alive, for checking who is the oldest former international for Northern Ireland. Oops. Ryerson index says he died on 3 January, 2012 in Adelaide as John Thomas Forde. Possible good news is that his brother Hugh who is a member of the Great Britain 1960 squad, did not appear in Ryerson index so he should be safe and he has a grandson playing in the A-League so he might not die off radar. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted December 15, 2022 @Octopus of Odstock Report below from the Southend United Ex-Players Association of the death of Alex Duchart, who has died aged 89. Is this strong enough evidence to suggest that the six possibly living Southend players on your page 1 list are in fact all deceased? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted December 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: @Octopus of Odstock Report below from the Southend United Ex-Players Association of the death of Alex Duchart, who has died aged 89. Is this strong enough evidence to suggest that the six possibly living Southend players on your page 1 list are in fact all deceased? Quite possibly. The clincher would be of the club itself confirmed Duchart was also the oldest. Let me check the six again to see if they ever had any link to Southend FPA. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,186 Posted December 15, 2022 Okay, I found this: Southend United Ex-Players Association - SUEPA · We are truly saddened to learn from his family this morning that Peter Heathcote passed away after a short illness on Easter Sunday. He was well known to a huge number of people in the Essex football scene and loved by all. Peter, aged 89, was to our knowledge the oldest surviving Southend United footballer, and also we believe was the last Shrimper alive who had played for the club before its move to Roots Hall in 1955, having played for us twice in goal during the 1951/52 season. Therefore we are pretty safe to remove Ernie Butler. Heathcote, I am sure, would've said something about a team-mate from that season still being alive. I also think if Ray Woods was still alive, there would be more from SUEPA about a player from the 1940's. Like Bill Anderson, I've marked him as probably dead. However, I am reluctant to move off the following: Eric Marsden - see comment in this page here - was alive in 2020 and nothing in GRO since - https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=111&player=463 Jimmy Thomson - definitely alive in 2017 Billy Waters - never actually played for Southend, only on their books. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
