John Key 747 Posted April 3, 2022 Estelle Harris Main Deathlist 2+1 John Key 3+1 Theoldlady 4+1 MariNisia 2+1 @jonnythegamemaster This is your sub1, was there any reason why this should be on your main list? (e.g. someone you selected died before 2022 or was ineligible for being only famous for being old?) I had a quick scroll through your list and didn't see Betty White or anyone I recognised for that purpose! Book 8/50 theoldlady 5/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 jonnythegamemaster 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 wannamaker 4/50 John Key 4/50 Main Deathlist 3/50 MariNisia 3/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 earl 1/50 Hell 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 Doulton 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnythegamemaster 40 Posted April 3, 2022 11 hours ago, John Key said: Estelle Harris Main Deathlist 2+1 John Key 3+1 Theoldlady 4+1 MariNisia 2+1 @jonnythegamemaster This is your sub1, was there any reason why this should be on your main list? (e.g. someone you selected died before 2022 or was ineligible for being only famous for being old?) I had a quick scroll through your list and didn't see Betty White or anyone I recognised for that purpose! Book 8/50 theoldlady 5/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 jonnythegamemaster 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 wannamaker 4/50 John Key 4/50 Main Deathlist 3/50 MariNisia 3/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 earl 1/50 Hell 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 Doulton 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50 Unfortunately not. I knew keeping Trump on this year was a mistake 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 4, 2022 June Brown Main Deathlist 3+1 six feet blunder 0+1 Theoldlady 5+1 Doulton 0+1 wannamaker 4+1 Hell 1+1 Etushispushingupdaisies 2+1 MariNisia 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 4+1 Miranda lass 0+1 Book 8/50 theoldlady 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 wannamaker 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 John Key 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 Hell 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 six feet blunder 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markb4 902 Posted April 6, 2022 Nehemiah Persoff is a hit for a few of us here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, markb4 said: Nehemiah Persoff is a hit for a few of us here. My second hit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theoldlady 2,303 Posted April 6, 2022 @John Key Tom Smith is a hit for several of us here. R.I.P. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 6, 2022 Nehemiah Persoff six feet blunder 1+1 markb4 2+1 Dying Probably 0+1 Pop_Zeus 1+1 Hell 2+1 Tom Smith theoldlady 6+1 John Key 4+1 wannamaker 5+1 The Old Crem 2+1 Salmon Mousse 2+1 Gooseberry Crumble 1+1 Book 8+1 Death Duke 2+1 TQR 4+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 Annami 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 Gooseberry Crumble 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_floydylan_ 17 Posted April 8, 2022 Larry Holley is a hit for me 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 8, 2022 3 hours ago, _floydylan_ said: Larry Holley is a hit for me I'm likely to give the point for this, I'm just going to wait a small amount of time incase if anyone else has an opinion. Arguments for it: Famous enough (e.g. not a nobody) https://kfyo.com/larry-holley-older-brother-of-buddy-holly-passes-away/ Argument against: There is a more famous Larry Holley that has a wikipedia page (the one that just died doesn't) Not mentioned in a major news source, only on twitter and the one I linked Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted April 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, John Key said: I'm likely to give the point for this, I'm just going to wait a small amount of time incase if anyone else has an opinion. Arguments for it: Famous enough (e.g. not a nobody) https://kfyo.com/larry-holley-older-brother-of-buddy-holly-passes-away/ Argument against: There is a more famous Larry Holley that has a wikipedia page (the one that just died doesn't) Not mentioned in a major news source, only on twitter and the one I linked I think it is significant and should be awarded. Buddy Holly is a cultural touchstone so his immediate family are worthy of note 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Great Uncle Bulgaria 1,283 Posted April 8, 2022 7 hours ago, Bibliogryphon said: I think it is significant and should be awarded. Buddy Holly is a cultural touchstone so his immediate family are worthy of note I have no skin in this game and consequently rarely look at this thread but isn't the widespread disallowing of Taylor Swift's Mum the precedent here? See also the universal condemnation of the 'family of the famous' DL pick of Bill Gates' Dad 2 years ago. People on these lists are supposed to be famous. He isn't. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted April 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Great Uncle Bulgaria said: I have no skin in this game and consequently rarely look at this thread but isn't the widespread disallowing of Taylor Swift's Mum the precedent here? See also the universal condemnation of the 'family of the famous' DL pick of Bill Gates' Dad 2 years ago. People on these lists are supposed to be famous. He isn't. I also have no skin in the game and would have used the case law of William Gates Snr to come to the opposite conclusion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Great Uncle Bulgaria 1,283 Posted April 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Bibliogryphon said: 6 hours ago, Great Uncle Bulgaria said: I have no skin in this game and consequently rarely look at this thread but isn't the widespread disallowing of Taylor Swift's Mum the precedent here? See also the universal condemnation of the 'family of the famous' DL pick of Bill Gates' Dad 2 years ago. People on these lists are supposed to be famous. He isn't. I also have no skin in the game and would have used the case law of William Gates Snr to come to the opposite conclusion Really? I know Gates was 'allowed' on to the DL (because the committee don't seek the approval of forum users before publishing) but I would have said that the outcome was that nearly everyone felt that that 'case law' was wrong and that family members with no independent claim to fame should not be allowed on the DL (and therefore on shadow lists). Fwiw I would say members of the Crickets and Maria Elena (who features prominently in the film/stage show biopics and is mentioned in American Pie) are notable (but insufficiently famous for the main DL) but none of his family are even notable, let alone DL-worthy. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted April 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, Great Uncle Bulgaria said: Really? I know Gates was 'allowed' on to the DL (because the committee don't seek the approval of forum users before publishing) but I would have said that the outcome was that nearly everyone felt that that 'case law' was wrong and that family members with no independent claim to fame should not be allowed on the DL (and therefore on shadow lists). Fwiw I would say members of the Crickets and Maria Elena (who features prominently in the film/stage show biopics and is mentioned in American Pie) are notable (but insufficiently famous for the main DL) but none of his family are even notable, let alone DL-worthy. The interest here being that Buddy died so young and Larry outlasted him by so many years. I also think that unless you are going to disallow them at the beginning of the game you set obit rules and let the media attention make the judgement. I totally understand and respect your opinion and I could argue that under other circumstances but I think it is an interesting hit albeit one I would not have selected 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 9, 2022 On 08/04/2022 at 15:11, _floydylan_ said: Larry Holley is a hit for me I liked this discussion. I feel mixed about the name which is why I wanted it to happen. Based off of my first post, he doesn't reach a lot of criteria (not obiting in a major newspaper, no wikipedia page, only tied to a well known celebrity). However, he's not just some nobody, so I'm going to give the point. This is a line from my first post, which implies how my rules are just so an absolute nobody doesn't make it through the cracks. Buddy Holly was a huge sensation to the point where he is still relevant today I will try and be pretty relaxed on these and use discretion, but family members of yours/local nobodies are the reason why I'm not just saying that all names will count if they die. Larry Holley _floydylan_ 2+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 Annami 2/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 Gooseberry Crumble 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,346 Posted April 9, 2022 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/17896099/ron-stander-dead-heavyweight-joe-frazier/ @John Key Just realised that I had picked Ron Stander in this pool who died last month. A third hit for me. I was so sore I dropped him from my DDP team I forgot I selected him elsewhere. Thanks! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 10, 2022 Ron Stander Gooseberry Crumble 2+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Daredevil 1,189 Posted April 10, 2022 @John Key Jack Higgins is my fifth hit of the year. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 10, 2022 Jack Higgins The Daredevil 4+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 The Daredevil 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Daredevil 1,189 Posted April 13, 2022 @John Key Michel Bouquet is my 6th hit and my 2nd unique death of the year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Daredevil said: @John Key Michel Bouquet is my 6th hit and my 2nd unique death of the year. A bunch of french sources saying he is est mort, checks out! Michel Bouquet The Daredevil 5+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 The Daredevil 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted April 16, 2022 Art Rupe six feet blunder 2+1 John Key 5+1 Pop_Zeus 2+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 The Daredevil 6/50 John Key 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 six feet blunder 3/50 Annami 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted May 1, 2022 Guy Lafleur Salmon Mousse 3+1 Mwai Kibaki Hell 3+1 John Key 6+1 Liz Sheridan gcreptile 4+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 The Daredevil 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 gcreptile 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Salmon Mousse 4/50 Hell 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 six feet blunder 3/50 Annami 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted May 4, 2022 I started compiling a list of the dead / point changes on the first page below the scoreboard, my logic being if anyone wanted to check on the dead / any score changes they could do it in one place The dead: Gary Burgess: John Key 0+1 Theoldlady 0+1 MariNisia 0+1 Book 0+1 Annami 0+1 gcreptile 0+1 Igor Bogdanoff Book 1 + 1 jonnythegamemaster 0 + 1 _floydylan_ 0+1 Joan Copeland markb4 0+1 Sidney Poitier Bibliogryphon 0+1 earl 0+1 Theoldlady 1+1 The Old Crem 0+1 Hell 0+1 Etushispushingupdaisies 0+1 MariNisia 1+1 Annami 1+1 dimreaper 0+1 Death Duke 0+1 TQR 0+1 jonnythegamemaster 1+1 Nick 0+1 The Daredevil 0+1 _floydylan_ 1+1 Robert Durst markb4 1+1 Salmon Mousse 0+1 Jana Bennett theoldlady 2+1 Hardy Krüger Etushispushingupdaisies 1+1 Book 2+1 The Daredevil 1+1 Barry Cryer Pop_Zeus 0+1 Lata Mangeshkar John Key 1+1 Russell Bishop Book 3+1 gcreptile 1+1 wannamaker 1+1 Leonard Fenton TQR 1+1 jonnythegamemaster 2+1 The Daredevil 2+1 Christos Sartzetakis wannamaker 0+1 John Key 2+1 Monica Vitti arghton 0+1 Nick 1+1 The Daredevil 3+1 Mustafa Kayirici Book 4+1 Nightbirde Nick 2+1 Gail Halvorsen gcreptile 2+1 Sister Catherine Wybourne gcreptile 3+1 Shirley Hughes Bibliogryphon 1+1 Mike Mora Book 5+1 Vic Elford wannamaker 2+1 TQR 2+1 John Chapple Gooseberry Crumble 0+1 Tom Parker Theoldlady 3+1 wannamaker 3+1 The Old Crem 1+1 Salmon Mousse 1+1 Book 6+1 Death Duke 1+1 TQR 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 3+1 Nick 3+1 Miguel Van Damme Book 7+1 Estelle Harris Main Deathlist 2+1 John Key 3+1 Theoldlady 4+1 MariNisia 2+1 June Brown Main Deathlist 3+1 six feet blunder 0+1 Theoldlady 5+1 Doulton 0+1 wannamaker 4+1 Hell 1+1 Etushispushingupdaisies 2+1 MariNisia 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 4+1 Miranda lass 0+1 Nehemiah Persoff six feet blunder 1+1 markb4 2+1 Dying Probably 0+1 Pop_Zeus 1+1 Hell 2+1 Tom Smith theoldlady 6+1 John Key 4+1 wannamaker 5+1 The Old Crem 2+1 Salmon Mousse 2+1 Gooseberry Crumble 1+1 Book 8+1 Death Duke 2+1 TQR 4+1 Larry Holley _floydylan_ 2+1 Ron Stander Gooseberry Crumble 2+1 Jack Higgins The Daredevil 4+1 Michel Bouquet The Daredevil 5+1 Art Rupe six feet blunder 2+1 John Key 5+1 Pop_Zeus 2+1 Guy Lafleur Salmon Mousse 3+1 Mwai Kibaki Hell 3+1 John Key 6+1 Liz Sheridan gcreptile 4+1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Key 747 Posted May 11, 2022 George Perez wannamaker 6+1 Salmon Mousse 4+1 Book 9+1 The Daredevil 6+1 gcreptile 5+1 _floydylan_ 3+1 Book 10/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 7/50 The Daredevil 7/50 gcreptile 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 Salmon Mousse 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Hell 4/50 _floydylan_ 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 six feet blunder 3/50 Annami 2/50 Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
