Rotten Ali 599 Posted July 25, 2005 football_fan Posted on Jul 24 2005, 12:12 PM QUOTE (Rotten Ali @ Jul 23 2005, 05:32 PM) Ronnie Biggs King Fahd Gerry Ford Ladybird Johnson Jerry Lewis Tammy Faye (Bakker) Messner Robert Moog Aaron Spelling John Spencer (snooker) Liz Taylor You could also add Peter Jennings and Rev. Billy Graham to your list. Thing about Pete Jennings is that I've not heard much news about him of late - I'm judging that with age on his side he stands a fair chance of beating the cancer. I've got PJ on my deathlist top 50 list at number 21. But also not in my the Derby top 20 list, sitting as 3rd resurve with Ross Davidson and Shuarto ahead of him. Billy Graham is not in my top ten Rotten.com list but placed at number 6 in my DDP provisional 2006 listing. And as a deathlist entry I have him at number 10. It all comes down to factors within the scoring system - derby rules of 6/5/4 for under 50 / over 80 require provision of specialist lists to maximise opportunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 599 Posted July 25, 2005 With my 250 name listing spreadsheet, I've had a cross check against this years deathlist of the surviving names and only found 11 to be of the most credible candidate entries. I'm not saying that you have dropped the ball this year, but I think that quite a few of the suggestions are a bit wide of the mark. Surely the major factor in an early or predicted death is that of ones good health or the lack of it. I would suggest that in future years the deathlist team not rely on a chance call that an old celeb looks a bit frail but follow a wider catchment and the illness prognosis of these celebs with greater focus. I have the following raw data findings:- The figure listed first relates only to a relative quotient, made up of:- 1. An age factor (nobody lives forever and it follows the older someone is the greater chance that they may die) 2. An illness factor (inoperable liver cancer very high factor 75 points or so, all the way down to Parkinson's very low factor 5 points or so. Drug and alcohol use also taken into account and given weighting (hence appearance of Maradona with a total factor of 80.36 even though he looks to be on the mend) 3. Number of deathlist listings during the last few years - 1 point for each - even Clive Dunn's overall score lifted by a cool 9 points would have rated a 50.00 total putting him above 12 of this years picks. 4. Correlation of Jokers played in the DDP - 1 point for each. 5. Famousness test - number of picks on the DDP - 0.25 points for each 6. Famousness test - number of picks in the Rotten.com deadpool 0.005 point each Keepers - The better 11 being:- 149.00 Ronnie Biggs 76 109.45 Gerald Ford 92 107.64 Elizabeth Taylor 73 107.18 Jerry Lewis 79 97.49 William Rehnquist 81 89.80 General Pinochet 90 87.71 Albert Hofmann 99 80.36 Diego Maradona 45 77.09 John Kenneth Galbraith 97 76.94 Brooke Astor 103 75.43 Rosa Parks 92 "Keep-an-eye-on" but a bit wide of the mark entries being:- 72.80 Fidel Castro 79 70.75 Bill Deedes 90 70.25 Betty Ford 89 67.35 P W Botha 89 65.85 Simon Wiesenthal 97 62.33 Alexander Solzhenitsyn 87 62.25 Michael Foot 92 61.75 Hamed Karzai 48 60.07 Claude Levi-Strauss 97 58.59 Al Lewis 95 57.26 Ernest Gallo 96 57.25 Oscar Niemeyer 98 56.36 Joseph Barbera 94 52.51 Norman Wisdom 90 52.25 Claire Raynor 75 51.55 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 94 50.87 Frankie Laine 92 50.41 Kurt Waldheim 87 50.19 Byron Nelson 93 49.32 Richard Pryor 65 49.15 Les Paul 90 47.19 Milton Friedman 93 46.79 Walter Cronkite 89 46.42 Eli Wallach 90 46.10 Tony Martin 92 45.77 Jane Wyman 91 45.53 Olivia De Havilland 89 44.28 Patrick Moore 82 44.25 Herbert Lom 88 39.32 Jake Lamotta 84 not in my top 250 Peter O'Sullevan 87 ps These figures are continually being updated and don't yet include a 20 to 25 point uplift in Jane Wyman's score on the news that she may not have long to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 599 Posted August 1, 2005 Rotten Ali Posted on Jul 23 2005, 09:32 PM I've got a 250 name list on a spread sheet - ordered by age and illness severitiy information to a list of ten, twenty and fifty that I will update as and when I can. I think its just about odds on, that the next really famous person to die will be from my top ten list which I post below Ronnie Biggs King Fahd Gerry Ford Ladybird Johnson Jerry Lewis Tammy Faye (Bakker) Messner Robert Moog Aaron Spelling John Spencer (snooker) Liz Taylor Barring deaths from this list it will from the basis of my 1st of September 2005 entry to the Rotten.com deadpool. My current years entry is now listed at position 171 out of about 44,000 entries. On the news of King Fahd's death: I know its "so bad form" quoting yourself, but then again if you can't blow your own trumpet every now and then who else will. My replacement for my top ten list is to be Ross Davidson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
la haine 0 Posted August 1, 2005 patrick moore a good bet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Death List Watcher Posted August 3, 2005 It's gotta be Rehnquist! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 107 Posted August 4, 2005 Keepers - The better 11 being:- 149.00 Ronnie Biggs 76 109.45 Gerald Ford 92 107.64 Elizabeth Taylor 73 107.18 Jerry Lewis 79 97.49 William Rehnquist 81 89.80 General Pinochet 90 87.71 Albert Hofmann 99 80.36 Diego Maradona 45 77.09 John Kenneth Galbraith 97 76.94 Brooke Astor 103 75.43 Rosa Parks 92 Keepers - The better 11 being:- 149.00 Ronnie Biggs 76 - On the verge.. 109.45 Gerald Ford 92 - The rumors continue. 107.64 Elizabeth Taylor 73 - Liz might have some days ahead of her... 107.18 Jerry Lewis 79 - He certainly doesen't look well\ But he may last. 97.49 William Rehnquist 81 - He's a gonner! 89.80 General Pinochet 90 - Had a recent stroke\Parhaps he will have another? 87.71 Albert Hofmann 99 - I hate to say it but sadly the man is 99 years old. 80.36 Diego Maradona 45 - He's going to pull through. 77.09 John Kenneth Galbraith 97 - Has had recent phnomonia and he is 97. 76.94 Brooke Astor 103 - Well she's 103 years old. 75.43 Rosa Parks 92 - Going senile. But overall there are a couple promises here for the remaining months of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 599 Posted August 4, 2005 Banshees Scream Posted on Aug 4 2005, 12:24 AM 149.00 Ronnie Biggs 76 - On the verge.. 109.45 Gerald Ford 92 - The rumors continue. 107.64 Elizabeth Taylor 73 - Liz might have some days ahead of her... 107.18 Jerry Lewis 79 - He certainly doesen't look well\ But he may last. 97.49 William Rehnquist 81 - He's a gonner! 89.80 General Pinochet 90 - Had a recent stroke\Parhaps he will have another? 87.71 Albert Hofmann 99 - I hate to say it but sadly the man is 99 years old. 80.36 Diego Maradona 45 - He's going to pull through. 77.09 John Kenneth Galbraith 97 - Has had recent phnomonia and he is 97. 76.94 Brooke Astor 103 - Well she's 103 years old. 75.43 Rosa Parks 92 - Going senile. But overall there are a couple promises here for the remaining months of the year. OK, this way I'm giving weight to the illness/age/drug use/etc looks like I may need to revise the notion of rehabilitation in the case of Maradona. Question is has the fat lad given up completely? And does the quantity of abuse lead to a scenario that he has opened him self up to his body suddenly failing without warning? I'm thinking that it may do, and what with the gastric by-pass operation his guts may negatively affect him beyond what was envisioned by him or his doctors. I would have him on for one more year due to the fact that he could yet be a 6 point paying addition in such as the DDP entry if placed in the top 20. As with the obviously long term sick Jerry Lewis and Liz Taylor I'm thinking that if they are not on the list and they do then die, there will be lots of people saying that the guys drawing up the final deathlist are missing a trick or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GracieJc8 3 Posted August 5, 2005 My gut feeling tells me that it's between Biggs, Galbraith, and Rehnquist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 212 Posted August 9, 2005 None of the above,I reckon Zsa Zsa Gabor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 107 Posted August 9, 2005 None of the above,I reckon Zsa Zsa Gabor. One of the main i have recomended several times. The almost fatal stroke was the proof if you were to ask why.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IYG Posted August 9, 2005 None of the above,I reckon Zsa Zsa Gabor. One of the main i have recomended several times. The almost fatal stroke was the proof if you were to ask why.. But you know we never listen to you. Take the hint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 212 Posted August 10, 2005 None of the above,I reckon Zsa Zsa Gabor. One of the main i have recomended several times. The almost fatal stroke was the proof if you were to ask why.. Although it was reported on the 05/08/05 that she had undergone an operation in relation to her stroke. Her husband reported she was much improved following this op. Still, maybe she'll take a turn for the worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 5,712 Posted August 10, 2005 biggs's not looking to clever MRSA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadornot 12 Posted August 10, 2005 whose next up to die for no:10 then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 212 Posted August 10, 2005 Not on the DeathList, but Estelle Getty ( The Golden Girls ) is reported to be in failing health her dementia is worsening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 5,712 Posted August 11, 2005 whose next up to die for no:10 then Who was number 9 then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 107 Posted August 11, 2005 whose next up to die for no:10 then Let's not skip ahead too far. Unless you plan on 2 in one day that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teddy 21 Posted August 11, 2005 whose next up to die for no:10 then Let's not skip ahead too far. Unless you plan on 2 in one day that is. Anyone know if Thatcher and Foot are travelling together to Robin Cook's funeral ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy Ronnie 77 Posted August 11, 2005 whose next up to die for no:10 then Let's not skip ahead too far. Unless you plan on 2 in one day that is. Anyone know if Thatcher and Foot are travelling together to Robin Cook's funeral ? if so, sounds like a nasty case of Foot and Mouth disease Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest iain Posted August 12, 2005 I predict that General Pinochet will be next to die from the list..imminently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 212 Posted August 12, 2005 I think we could be jumping the gun with Ronnie Biggs, he could last out for some time. Don't let's count our chickens before they've actually snuffed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 41 Posted September 2, 2005 My guess would be Ronnie Biggs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
