Charley Farley 1 Posted November 13, 2005 Ravenstorm please take a breath, I am sorry you do not share my view, I still feel that it was a win win for the safety of the British public, as a law abiding pro Britain resident I shant worry about the prospect of 90 days in Gaol, losing my job and friends etc as I am not a risk, however those bastards who are a risk need looking at in close detail, are you a risk Ravenstorm do you think.....perhaps your worriied about the 90 days from your own personal perspective! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Oates 21 Posted November 13, 2005 Ravenstorm please take a breath, I am sorry you do not share my view, I still feel that it was a win win for the safety of the British public, as a law abiding pro Britain resident I shant worry about the prospect of 90 days in Gaol, losing my job and friends etc as I am not a risk, however those bastards who are a risk need looking at in close detail, are you a risk Ravenstorm do you think.....perhaps your worriied about the 90 days from your own personal perspective! Do I understand you correctly CF? You seem to be saying that you would not mind losing your job and your friends and spending up to 90 days in gaol because you are not a terrorist. Or do you just trust the police completely. If they're that good, why do they think they need 90 days with no evidence? How would you feel if you found yourself under suspicion (mistakenly) and therefore under arrest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 214 Posted November 13, 2005 Ravenstorm please take a breath, I am sorry you do not share my view, I still feel that it was a win win for the safety of the British public, as a law abiding pro Britain resident I shant worry about the prospect of 90 days in Gaol, losing my job and friends etc as I am not a risk, however those bastards who are a risk need looking at in close detail, are you a risk Ravenstorm do you think.....perhaps your worriied about the 90 days from your own personal perspective! It's all rather academic now, as for good or ill, our elected representatives have decided on 28 days. They were unconvinced by the case of the executive. That's how a democracy works, if Tony Blair doesn't like the result, tough luck. I'm sure the Prime Minister believes he is right on this issue, but he always seems to believe that. If a Government is unable to convince the legislature of its case, then that is their failure and not the legislature's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvester Of Souls 40 Posted November 14, 2005 Ravenstorm please take a breath, I am sorry you do not share my view, I still feel that it was a win win for the safety of the British public, as a law abiding pro Britain resident I shant worry about the prospect of 90 days in Gaol, losing my job and friends etc as I am not a risk, however those bastards who are a risk need looking at in close detail, are you a risk Ravenstorm do you think.....perhaps your worriied about the 90 days from your own personal perspective! I couldn't agree more. There should be limits on freedom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Oates 21 Posted November 14, 2005 There should be limits on freedom. Unfortunately, that is true. But there must be very closely monitored limits on those who are given the power to take our freedom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G. Love 0 Posted November 14, 2005 free·dom ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frdm) n. The condition of being free of restraints. re·straint ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-strnt) n. The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained. Loss or abridgment of freedom. An influence that inhibits or restrains; a limitation. Oxymoron, anyone? Just sayin'... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Oates 21 Posted November 14, 2005 free·dom ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frdm)n. The condition of being free of restraints. re·straint ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-strnt) n. The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained. Loss or abridgment of freedom. An influence that inhibits or restrains; a limitation. Oxymoron, anyone? Just sayin'... That would be oxmrn, then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted November 14, 2005 free·dom ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frdm)n. The condition of being free of restraints. re·straint ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-strnt) n. The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained. Loss or abridgment of freedom. An influence that inhibits or restrains; a limitation. Oxymoron, anyone? Circular definition, rather. Quite normal in dictionaries. I prefer recursive definitions: Recursion: see recursion. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charley Farley 1 Posted November 14, 2005 The answer is yes I would run that risk however the deterrent of 90 days would make me even more determined not to cause problems, 28 days i could have that as leave paid or unpaid. Academic now!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvester Of Souls 40 Posted November 14, 2005 While we're at it, what other freedoms should we give up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted November 14, 2005 I was wondering if any other Deathlisters at any time in their lives have acted in such a way as to have made them potentially liable to 90 days detention under the mooted anti-terrorism measures. Carrying a shotgun case down The Mall on the night before The Queens' recent jubilee was my last effort, although there have been others. I am a decent member of society Mr Farley, would you really want to see me clapped in irons for 3 months? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 214 Posted November 14, 2005 I am a decent member of society Mr Farley, would you really want to see me clapped in irons for 3 months? Well I suppose he might, if he were a bondage fetishist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Yeti 14 Posted November 14, 2005 Carrying a shotgun case down The Mall on the night before The Queens' recent jubilee was my last effort, although there have been others. Given that you can be shot by the police for carrying a table leg nowadays ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted November 14, 2005 I was wondering if any other Deathlisters at any time in their lives have acted in such a way as to have made them potentially liable to 90 days detention under the mooted anti-terrorism measures. Does throwing molotov cocktails to the riot police count? Carrying a shotgun case down The Mall on the night before The Queens' recent jubilee was my last effort, although there have been others. You had a violin in that case, didn't you? regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VileBody 11 Posted November 15, 2005 By crackey, this home hubbie thing makes you race to catch up on the DL issues of the moment. In fact I'm so absorbed with thinkinh must stop drinking and get ready for the school run run I can't think of ought relevant to contribute - but see above about 10 pages ago. (a do run run...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted November 15, 2005 I am a decent member of society Mr Farley, would you really want to see me clapped in irons for 3 months? Well I suppose he might, if he were a bondage fetishist. fetishist - I don't find any comedy in the idea. This i had to exsplain to AJS who apparently enjoys this as a hobbie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvester Of Souls 40 Posted November 15, 2005 Given that you can be shot by the police for carrying a table leg nowadays ... Or detained under the terrorist powers for shouting "Nonsense!" in a room semi filled with Labour party members. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ravenstorm 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Ravenstorm please take a breath, I am sorry you do not share my view, I still feel that it was a win win for the safety of the British public, as a law abiding pro Britain resident I shant worry about the prospect of 90 days in Gaol, losing my job and friends etc as I am not a risk, however those bastards who are a risk need looking at in close detail, are you a risk Ravenstorm do you think.....perhaps your worriied about the 90 days from your own personal perspective! Do I understand you correctly CF? You seem to be saying that you would not mind losing your job and your friends and spending up to 90 days in gaol because you are not a terrorist. Or do you just trust the police completely. If they're that good, why do they think they need 90 days with no evidence? How would you feel if you found yourself under suspicion (mistakenly) and therefore under arrest? That is my point exactly. British Justice is full of miscarriages due to fabricated evidence, mistakem identity etc.I do appreciate the need for protection, but its somewhat worrying how often they get it wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted November 15, 2005 I think that CF is saying that law abiding citizens who are pulled over would be out within the 90 day period, however any raging terrorists can be held for up to 90 days whilst the cctv tapes can be analysed, and members of the cell and the arms traced and known movements, contact etc found, sounds reasonable to me, more power to you Charley, let the lily livered liberals argue over losing their jobs and friends,quite possibly they dont have any anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted November 15, 2005 I was wondering if any other Deathlisters at any time in their lives have acted in such a way as to have made them potentially liable to 90 days detention under the mooted anti-terrorism measures. Does throwing molotov cocktails to the riot police count? Carrying a shotgun case down The Mall on the night before The Queens' recent jubilee was my last effort, although there have been others. You had a violin in that case, didn't you? regards, Hein Far stranger... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charley Farley 1 Posted November 15, 2005 mmm a left handed saw! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted November 15, 2005 Carrying a shotgun case down The Mall on the night before The Queens' recent jubilee was my last effort, although there have been others.You had a violin in that case, didn't you?Far stranger...The horror... That forms a direct threat to monarchy, democracy and public safety. You ought to be locked up for far longer than 90 days. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvester Of Souls 40 Posted November 15, 2005 I think that CF is saying that law abiding citizens who are pulled over would be out within the 90 day period, however any raging terrorists can be held for up to 90 days whilst the cctv tapes can be analysed, and members of the cell and the arms traced and known movements, contact etc found, sounds reasonable to me, more power to you Charley, let the lily livered liberals argue over losing their jobs and friends,quite possibly they dont have any anyway. I think they should up it to 6 months just to be sure... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted November 15, 2005 Perhaps those MPs who voted for the 90 day period should be put in goal for 90 days without trial, just to give them the experience they wish on innocent (at least in principle) people. The fact is that legislation cannot remove the risk of a terrorist attack. What we need to fight terrorism isn't more power for the police. We need better police and better politicians. I'm not hopeful. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvester Of Souls 40 Posted November 15, 2005 Perhaps those MPs who voted for the 90 day period should be put in goal for 90 days without trial, just to give them the experience they wish on innocent (at least in principle) people. The fact is that legislation cannot remove the risk of a terrorist attack. What we need to fight terrorism isn't more power for the police. We need better police and better politicians. I'm not hopeful. regards, Hein C'mon Hein you'll be telling us that ID Cards won't prevent terrorism either... I mean with all those statistics stored on a national database surely we can't be defeated in the war on terrorism? Terrorists never carry ID cards. I'm sure they won't outsource the data to an Indian call centre either... after all we've done nothing wrong we've got nothing to fear... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
