MortalCaso 1,645 Posted Monday at 23:50 59 minutes ago, lilham said: I think the Tree of Life guy due to wanting to connect to Pittsburgh. I agree with Biden commuting the 37 sentences and keeping these 3. Death penalty makes the most sense for clearly guilty terrorists. Have you read up on all 37 that he spared execution? Most, if not all, shouldn't have been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilham 768 Posted yesterday at 00:03 13 minutes ago, MortalCaso said: Have you read up on all 37 that he spared execution? Most, if not all, shouldn't have been. No. My take is that most death penalty cases never make it to execution: they die in prison, they effectively have life in prison anyway. However, the families are stuck in the appeals process re-living the horrors again and again in the court room for decades. Cases should be narrowed down to terrorism and serial killers and then fast-tracked through the process, like Timothy McVeigh. If the other men fall into that narrow category, then their sentences should not have been commuted. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,272 Posted yesterday at 00:22 It’s not like these people are ever gonna be free, their sentences have merely been changed to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole which is still a hefty sentence if you ask me. It’s not like Biden pardoned any of these folk which I feel like some people are interpreting this as 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MortalCaso 1,645 Posted yesterday at 00:35 12 minutes ago, Joey Russ said: It’s not like these people are ever gonna be free, their sentences have merely been changed to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole which is still a hefty sentence if you ask me. It’s not like Biden pardoned any of these folk which I feel like some people are interpreting this as They were given death for a reason. I'm of the opinion we should expand what punishments deserve it, not shrink it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arrowsmith 461 Posted yesterday at 00:40 1 minute ago, MortalCaso said: They were given death for a reason. I'm of the opinion we should expand what punishments deserve it, not shrink it. That’s nonsense. We have executed at least 200 innocent people since the death penalty was reinstated. I can’t fathom how anyone would endorse the death penalty for more crimes when we can’t manage to do it properly already. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MortalCaso 1,645 Posted yesterday at 00:51 2 minutes ago, arrowsmith said: That’s nonsense. We have executed at least 200 innocent people since the death penalty was reinstated. I can’t fathom how anyone would endorse the death penalty for more crimes when we can’t manage to do it properly already. Never said it shouldn't be changed or reformed. People make choices in life. As someone who has lost family members to violent crime and watched those people go free in my lifetime, it's wrong. There are far too many evil people allowed to live decades in comfort. Jail isn't "living in comfort" you say? I've heard/seen unhoused say it's better than the streets. Certainly better than being in the ground. I'm all for reforming the death penalty. No denying it's misuse and misfortune over the centuries. As I said earlier: reform it, expand it, and enforce it. That is not what President Biden did today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilham 768 Posted yesterday at 01:13 46 minutes ago, MortalCaso said: They were given death for a reason. I'm of the opinion we should expand what punishments deserve it, not shrink it. Death penalty just has the right for more appeals: it's hard for me to argue against the appeals if we expand who is sentenced to death. So they waste more tax payer money, clog up the courts, and we have to hear more from them rather than if we had just put them on life without parole. One of the men who Trump executed was roping naive people into defending him, including a daughter who was set to graduate college, who was just a newborn when he committed his murders. I feel like he would have had less power to do that if he had life in prison instead of a death sentence. I think he would have gotten less media coverage, like I probably would have never heard of him had he just had life in prison. This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bernard However, the terrorists have a mental objective and press coverage above the average murderer to keep waging their mental warfare: hearing Tsarnaev cry all the time how Boston is mean to him seems intentionally aggravating; Kaczynski was aggravating; so whatever to speed up the process to have them gone is better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,652 Posted yesterday at 10:31 9 hours ago, lilham said: Death penalty just has the right for more appeals: it's hard for me to argue against the appeals if we expand who is sentenced to death. So they waste more tax payer money, clog up the courts, and we have to hear more from them rather than if we had just put them on life without parole. One of the men who Trump executed was roping naive people into defending him, including a daughter who was set to graduate college, who was just a newborn when he committed his murders. I feel like he would have had less power to do that if he had life in prison instead of a death sentence. I think he would have gotten less media coverage, like I probably would have never heard of him had he just had life in prison. This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bernard However, the terrorists have a mental objective and press coverage above the average murderer to keep waging their mental warfare: hearing Tsarnaev cry all the time how Boston is mean to him seems intentionally aggravating; Kaczynski was aggravating; so whatever to speed up the process to have them gone is better. Turmp could make it illegal to appeal. The Supreme Court will go for any he orders at the moment even things that outright breach the constitution 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
