Ulitzer95 12,843 Posted November 25 32 minutes ago, Gisooo said: Colin Renfrew, Baron Renfrew of Kaimsthorn FBA, FSA (Wiki), Former Member of the House of Lords dead at 87 Also a archaeologist, paleolinguist and Conservative peer noted for his work on radiocarbon dating, the prehistory of languages, archaeogenetics, neuroarchaeology, and the prevention of looting at archaeological sites. Wrong thread. He was a life peer, not a hereditary peer, so not an aristocrat. Not really a politician either though (despite being a member of the Conservative Party) so academics thread would’ve been best suited. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gisooo 3,462 Posted November 25 41 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: Wrong thread. He was a life peer, not a hereditary peer, so not an aristocrat. Not really a politician either though (despite being a member of the Conservative Party) so academics thread would’ve been best suited. I'm sorry. I'm not familiar enough with British aristocratic figures. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,184 Posted November 25 24 minutes ago, Gisooo said: I'm sorry. I'm not familiar enough with British aristocratic figures. On 29/08/2023 at 15:06, YoungWillz said: Not for this thread anyway. For our non-native readers (and indeed some of our native readers) apply the Floella Benjamin test. What were they before they reached the Lords? A businessperson elevated to the Lords? Businesspersons thread. A TV presenter elevated to the Lords? Presenters thread. A composer or musician elevated to the Lords? Take your pick, plenty of threads out there. Union leader elevated to the Lords? Union People thread. None of these people above go in the Political Frailty thread either. Unless they were a political advisor, a local Council leader, etc etc, these folk are not politicians in the sense of the word - the Lords is not strictly a law making body. Generally for here you are looking for folk in hereditary positions, Papa or Grandpapa or Great Grandpapa-papa was a holder of a title which they have inherited. Maybe even their spouses or siblings might squeeze in. And the vast majority of these folk do not currently sit in the Lords. There's your crib sheet. Just bringing this to the fore again. See the highlighted bit and life becomes so much easier. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,628 Posted November 25 Through sometimes those who are made peers for non politician reasons end up serving as a minster/shadow minister/ frontbench spokesperson and become a politician. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,843 Posted November 25 4 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Through sometimes those who are made peers for non politician reasons end up serving as a minster/shadow minister/ frontbench spokesperson and become a politician. Yeah, don’t complicate it further for the non-Brits on here TOC. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,184 Posted November 25 2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Through sometimes those who are made peers for non politician reasons end up serving as a minster/shadow minister/ frontbench spokesperson and become a politician. There will always be the Michael Ancrams, the Michael Howards, etc etc. But they were from aristocratic families already. But I'm not sure who you have in mind, so if you could give me a couple of names, that would be lovely. (They still wouldn't be aristos though!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,628 Posted November 25 4 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: There will always be the Michael Ancrams, the Michael Howards, etc etc. But they were from aristocratic families already. But I'm not sure who you have in mind, so if you could give me a couple of names, that would be lovely. (They still wouldn't be aristos though!). I don’t mean someone aristocratic but someone like Lord Timpson. Businessman turned Life Peer and government minster. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,184 Posted November 25 2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: I don’t mean someone aristocratic but someone like Lord Timpson. Businessman turned Life Peer and government minster. Yes, this guy could go in the Businesspersons thread (my preference) or the political frailty thread (for those who insist upon it). But not here! As you correctly understand. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,184 Posted December 4 Death notice for Sir Richard Carew Pole, 13th Baronet who died aged 85, just one day before his birthday: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/carew-pole-notices_59972 His widow Mary is a Lady in Waiting to Princess Anne. Heir apparent is his eldest son Tremayne John (b. 1974) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thatcher 2,470 Posted December 12 Lord Edward Somerset, younger brother of the Duke of Beaufort, reportedly dead aged 66. He had legal issues and addiction problems, documented back in 2014 when he was jailed for domestic abuse (BBC). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gisooo 3,462 Posted 23 hours ago Wittekind, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (Wiki) dead at 88 He has been the head of the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont since 1967. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 1,066 Posted 23 hours ago 30 minutes ago, Gisooo said: Wittekind, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (Wiki) dead at 88 He has been the head of the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont since 1967. Yikes, his father was an SS general imprisoned for war crimes and his godparents included Hitler and Himmler. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
