Remember The Bismarck! Sink Pearl Harbour! Der Totale Banzai!

[Shroud 19]

How, exactly, do you count these guys as murdering m******f*****s "they all are?" I believe all "seals" more or less can draw their origins back to the WW 2 "frogmen,' who are regarded as heroes as much as the others in the States. Haven't you ever heard that war is hell, anyway you look at it, Charon?

[Shroud 19]

While on the subject of war generally, I was told the Japanese often had the habit of slicing-off ears, noses, and sometimes more-sensitive body parts,(by my dad who was in So. Pacific) as I imagine the "Ruskies" often did along with the Nazis, too. I imagining that torture of various sorts did go on from all sides at times, but the Japanese have the most infamy for it in the US.

 

As another aside, one of my relations was a US Army Ranger in the 1980's, and often talked about regretting missing out on Bush War No. 1; my dad said he would soon have had a very different opinion if he had seen any extended deployments/and/or action. Perhaps fortunately for the fellow, he had left the Army by time the Gulf War came along and did not re-enlist, I noted, although I kept quiet about this last Or for any of its sequels. More or less speaks for itself, I think. Those most in favor of war always seem to somehow manage to leave it to others, have injuries which "disappear" once the war has ended, etc., etc. "Chicken Hawks" we call them State-side. U can count almost all of the conservatives in our politics as-same. I do give John McCain credit for having put his life where his mouth often is when he was a young man, if not for much else. He is also responsible for bringing Sarah Palin into the national US political scene; I won't comment on THAT save to say I mighty glad it wasn't me who did so.

[Magere Hein 1,400]

While on the subject of war generally, I was told the Japanese often had the habit of slicing-off ears, noses, and sometimes more-sensitive body parts,(by my dad who was in So. Pacific) as I imagine the "Ruskies" often did along with the Nazis, too. I imagining that torture of various sorts did go on from all sides at times, but the Japanese have the most infamy for it in the US.

I won't deny or confirm such stories about the Japanese. I do know that some US soldiers sent home interesting souvenirs:

 

 

The above photo is from Life magazine of May 22, 1944.

I have no way of knowing whether it is or is not the skull of a Japanese KIA.

 

Much less tastefully displayed: American mutilation of Japanese war dead.

[charon 4,943]

How, exactly, do you count these guys as murdering m******f*****s "they all are?" I believe all "seals" more or less can draw their origins back to the WW 2 "frogmen,' who are regarded as heroes as much as the others in the States. Haven't you ever heard that war is hell, anyway you look at it, Charon?

Indeed.

 

I was only picking on the seals as they are held (by the yanks) in high regard, and because they were the biggest pricks out of the US personnel stationed near by. In reality though, they were just fat RAF with worse accents.

 

How could we 'win' WW2 but still be occupied by American forces? Shameful.

 

'If' the Nazis had won WW2 how many countries would have hosted their armed forces ?

 

'If' Isis get their caliphate, same question .

 

The US have @160 countries hosting their forces. Over one HUNDRED and SIXTY.

 

 

3 bunches of right wing fascists, yet one 'wins' and gets to portray themselves as the good guys.

[Shroud 19]

I have heard stories of items, let's say, sent back to the US myself from the Pacific; the fighting was particularly bitter and hard there. I understand FDR sent back at least a couple of rather grim personal gifts soldiers sent to him from the Pacific theater.

 

While not approving of certain items taken as war prizes, I suppose one could say, in Vietnam, torture was a way of life for the N. Vietnam as I have heard from way too many veterans. It's difficult to win "limited warfare" which began with Truman in Korea as the North in Vietnam were defeated in every major outright engagement with US forces, but our forces were forbidden from pushing into the north proper. Else, that war would've had a much different outcome, and not lasted nearly as long. For what it's worth, I'm not a supporter of that war, just reporting the facts. At same time, i realize history seems be reported a bit differently in each country.

 

Since Charon seems to think the US is simply another" fascist" power, it's probably better if I simply ignore such people from now on. For whatever this is worth, I think the US would have been justified in retaining all areas re-captured from the Japanese in the Pacific given how much US blood was spilt there, and how many ruined lives came out of it among the survivors as well. As I recall, the English and French both surrendered quickly to the Japanese in China, Indochina, etc. al.

 

BTW, how IS your German anyway, Charon? If not for our help, there's a strong chance you would be speaking that all the time nowadays. I do appreciate those here who have expressed appreciation for the aid the US provided in WW 2, as sometimes, it seems fairly scarce to come by.

[Shroud 19]

Just a quick note on the mutilation of deceased enemy soldiers/fighters; is it right? No, of course not. Unfortunately, people tend to go somewhat insane in combat situations - I doubt very seriously if one could find ANY country in the world who did not practice this to some extent.

 

I suppose I could add that if Validmar ever decides to "come calling" from the east, the US could simply withdraw from NATO and leave the defense to the EU. That is something which has been suggested at times here in the States. It amazes me that Europe does not appreciate the protection we have provided ever since 1945 rather than accuse of of being "occupiers."

 

I also do suspect had he not been as sick as he was, FDR would never have agreed to letting Stalin take Eastern Europe. I understand he was little more than an international thug, and a very intimidating person, so he probably was able to push his demands fairly-easily given that FDR was within a few months of dying in late 1944.

[charon 4,943]

 

My German is as fine as it can be , ie , pretty fuckin awful.

 

That doesn't take away from the issue of the Yankees seeing themselves as the World Police Force. Disagree and they'll invade, especially if oil is involved. That Hilary email I posted last week re Gaddafi , should see a lot of bastards in jail, but it won't.

 

Late to the 2 World Parties, yet selling arms etc to all sides was a sign if things to come. The amount of millionaires created in the States prior to WW1 entry was sickening as well.

 

But now, they don't have Conscription , so any of the gun lovin criminals that rock into uniform should be roundly condemned. And then prosecuted for any of the crimes they commit. Shroud, the torture continues on, Cuba for example. Get the cunts in Court.

 

And wait til daddy bush goes, does he go in his own thread, this one, dead of 2016, political frailty or the terrorist one?

[charon 4,943]

And protection from what exactly ??

[charon 4,943]

 

 

But cheers shroud....you got the old grey matter going

 

Right....my sober thought process is thus, and covers many potential threads (north Korea , conspiracy, terrorist , ideas/possibilities 2017, etc etc) but in here it goes.

 

 

I had going to be dogging along with the yanks post Vietnam not getting involved with anybody they can't bomb the shit out of before ground troops go in, and was going to quote Behan the youngers lyric referring to other Empire building cunts.

 

"Come tell us how you slew

Those old Arabs two by two

Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows,

How you bravely slew each one

With your sixteen pounder gun

And you frightened them damn natives to their marrow."

 

Now as that put me in mind of Dominic Behan, I remembered back to when he died in the late 80's in Glasgow.

The guy who gave the address at the funeral was one Sean Garland, ex president of the Irish Workers Party and Chief of Staff for the stickies. (OIRA).

 

Garland has been the subject of a Yankee extradition order for about a decade to do with forged dollars bought from North Korea via Russia

 

Was a conspiracy theory printed in Irish papers about this being a ruse to allow the yanks to invade North Korea, and part of the defence was his ill health (due to botched assassination attempt, probably by the IRA or British army).

 

He turns 82 this year, health still not good, and the extradition still rumbles on, hence he is a 'possible' for next year.

 

 

 

I know it is the wrong thread but it is where the thought process happened

 

[Shroud 19]

I think I understand now - you're one of these clods who gets his information from ultra far-right sources, it would seem.

 

Protection from the Soviet Union, and it would appear, from just about anything else. I can only recall Argentina as being the only nation the UK has defeated w/o a lot of US help in the last century or so. Not much of a record there, pal.

 

If I had a few extra dollars I would send you a year's supply of Exlax (or the UK version) as it seems a long course of treatment is needed.

 

But hey, why not make it simple - petition to join the US. Mr Cameron seems to be a relatively- competent PM as far as they go - imagine he'd be kept on a Governor or some such.

 

I think somebody is still mighty bitter over the sun setting on the British Empire every 24 hours from 1947 onward - does this fall into the same slot as "We're English - we Never forget a slight?" or some such foolishness? It would seem so.

 

Must be a shame to have to rely on faded glories only....

 

* Helping dispose of both the Spanish and Ottoman Empires would seem to earn the US some thanks given the centuries of barbarism both practiced.

[charon 4,943]

As I despise the English military a tad more than the Yankee version, I think the phrase is 'unlucky , Champ'..

 

And why on earth would we have needed protection from Russia ?

[charon 4,943]

You've gotta be at the wind up ?

[Shroud 19]

Yes, I do recall something of the Struma disaster.

 

Know this is somewhat off-topic again, but does anybody ELSE have any suggestions about what Charon's problem may be? I think my ideas are pretty close to being on the mark.If he ever runs into any veterans who are somewhat unstable, I hope he enjoys hospital food. More seriously, it wasn't uncommon for children to be wired with booby-traps in Vietnam, among other things. This was one thing which led to the "child-killer" chants of the hippie types in that period. If I had had anything to say about it, I would have said stay out of there, but a moot point, of course.

 

As a fellow from a family who has always answered the call of duty even when we weren't thrilled at the cause at-hand, it wouldn't hurt characters like "c" to learn a bit more respect than he obviously has, all wisecracks aside. In time, he'll run into somebody who won't see any humor in his attitude, I suspect - had he done so in the past, I think he would have a better attitude than what he displays.

 

I would suggest a Krell brain-boost, but one has to have some grey matter to begin with active for that to have any chance of success.

 

One of my own more distant relations won the French Cross of War in World War One; there's more I could say about my personal family history, but think I have made my point here. It would be wasted on the likes of "c" anyway. On to something more pertinent to the matter at hand.

[Shroud 19]

I thought I was through with charon, here, but in looking over his moronic comments, I can't resist adding some important points.

 

Being as you are so near France, why not ask how much "fun" they had during the Nazi occupation, numb-skull? I imagine a Soviet occupation of Europe,with the UK included, of course, would be about as much for you, fellow - perhaps including a cost-free move to Siberia.

 

There has been the suggestion of lease-fee increases in our "occupation" of So. Korea, Japan, Germany, etc. al, depending on who wins the US Presidency, charon; you may be looking at a doubling or tripling of said base-fees. Trust you're looking forward to more pounds going to the US, pal.

Without ourselves to counter-balance the former Soviet Union/current Russian Federation, they would have gone through Europe like the proverbial hot knife through a stick of butter- you know it, I know it, and most anybody with any active grey matter knows it. I can assure any and all they wouldn't hesitate to do whatever it took which u seem to get so much pleasure out of slandering the US over for past wars. I suspect you wouldn't even want to think of what would've happened to the Royals under such a situation.

 

Are you really this dumb? I tell you, buddy, I really wish you would find a US Navy seal and tell him some of the b.s. you have posted here. A good deal of time to think about it all in the hospital no doubt - if you can think, which I am starting to seriously doubt.

 

Cheers.

[charon 4,943]

And you're one of the 'liberals' ?

 

Fuck up Sarah.

[charon 4,943]

I suspect you wouldn't even want to think of what would've happened to the Royals under such a situation

 

 

Oooo, can I have 3 guesses ?

[Shroud 19]

How about 5 guesses, charon? To judge from your apparent stupidity, it probably would take you that long to guess correctly.

 

It seems you are one of those boneheads who seem to think the terms "patriot" and "progressive" cannot go together. Get with the program, fellow.

My Great x 5 Grandfather helped gain victory over Cornwallis at Yorktown btw. Wonder who the foes of freedom were then? Yes, he was there to witness the English surrender in disgrace, defeat, and humiliation something you should be well-used to be this time, I would think.

 

No comment on "you guys" running like hell from the Japanese, I see, also. What a surprise. You did prove to be great at throwing in the towel in the Pacific, I grant you that much.

 

Why not try some lye soap soaking baths; might get that yellow streak off your back -- but I doubt it.

 

 

PS- how many lemons do you eat per day? Then again, I suppose somebody has to keep the citrus industry going.

 

Not all all ashamed my family fought in both World Wars; I suspect the same couldn't have been said of you, mush-spine, had you been around in those days. No doubt you're exactly the sort of bum who spit on and threw trash at our returning troops in the 1970's. Hell, find any US solider and smart-off to him like you do from the safety of this site - I would be more than delighted to have photos of you in your body cast.

[Cat O'Falk 3,290]

Did Shroud just say Charon is English?

[Magere Hein 1,400]

A few remarks about the USA's war effort in WWII:

• The USA funded and supplied much of the Allied war materiel.
• The USA won the war against Japan, although China was a major ally.
• Germany was mostly beaten by the Soviet Union. The USA made a major contribution to victory in Europe, but not the largest by far.
• In terms of war dead, the USA got off lightly, compared to the other allies:

(source: Wikipedia)

 

A few more personal remarks:

• The Netherlands south of the Rhine were liberated in September 1944, mostly by US, British, Canadian and Polish forces.
• The Netherlands north of the Rhine were liberated in April and May 1945, mostly by Canadian, British and Polish forces.
• My nation is well aware of these facts. After the war the Netherlands joined NATO, knowing from experience that neutrality was not a reliable security policy.
• It's a sobering thought that NATO, after the breakdown of the Soviet Union, may not be able to do its thing should war again raise its head in Europe. The crisis in Ukraine gives me little hope it will.
• It's little use patting oneself on the back for successes of one's ancestors, or being ashamed for their failures. I count among my relatives several men who were KIA in May 1940. They went to war knowing full well they would be defeated. They went nevertheless.

[Shroud 19]

I'm well aware of that the US got off relatively lightly as far as KIA numbers go, goes, Sir C; regardless around 60% of the D-Day invasion force was made up of US troops. This can be easily checked - I'm not patting myself on the back or anything about it, really, but guys like charon seem ingrates at best.

 

Juts how much China contributed to Japan's defeat is open to debate, I would think, as Japan still occupied a considerable portion of it at their surrender.

 

Do you honestly think you "guys"(i.e., everyone else) could have won w/o the aid of the US? Had Hitler been somewhat more stable mentally, von Braun's rocket program would have been advanced enough to hit just about anywhere had he left them to their work, and not constantly interrupted them. A true ICBM wasn't far off when the war ended in Europe as I do imagine you know, Sir C.

 

You seem to enjoy a fine standard of living, people; unless bitterness over the loss of the Empire is at the root of much of this, I see few reasons to "down" Americans so much. I hardly need to remind anyone of how much harm the British Empire did to various people's at its peak, I imagine as well. Along with the French, the Dutch, etc., etc.

 

If there's any truth at all to the alternate Earth's theories, world probably do exist where the war ended with an Axis victory, and I'm reasonably certain none of us would wish to live there, correct? Quantum Physics is well beyond me, granted, but what of it I can grasp seems to indicate these places do exist somewhere - be glad this world isn't one of them.

 

I would add that my own father's life was more or less shattered by his war time injuries, so attitudes like those expressed by charon in particular are hard to take. A little gratitude instead would be nice. As noted, life under Stalin wouldn't have been a hell of a lot better than under the Nazis.

[YoungWillz 21,037]

Whilst I have no wish to enter the debate between Shroud and Charon, thought I'd pop in with this thought:

 

Economically unstable. Seeing the weak and disabled as a drain on society and trying to make them enter the workforce. Xenophobic to nearest neighbours. Imposing conditions on a religious minority with the threat of state sanctions if they fail to comply.

 

That's the Government policy of the UK in 2016.

 

And of Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1939.

[charon 4,943]

 

[Eva]Gratitude[/braun] ?

 

Lol. For still being occupied?

 

 

For my own family , I vaguely knew my favourite uncle had been in WW2. Only found out at his funeral that he'd joined up on the day war was declared. On my dads side 'some' of his brothers were in (and at least one died) but I get the feeling he wasn't. I truly don't know.

Why? Because my family weren't gung ho fuckers, and didn't go on about it, glorify it, and I had no reason to ask.

 

WW1 names on the local memorial included a few of my family name , and we were the only ones in the area with the surname.

 

We didn't grow up with flags in every room, building etc and being force fed the lurve of the military. Nazi Germany or the current US, that applies to them both.

[Shroud 19]

Let me just say that nobody is glorifying war here, charon's incorrect statements aside. I saw it's effects on my own family, and if what he's saying is reasonably close to the truth, he should have too, unless his own relations were remarkably fortunate.

 

There is a good deal of anger in the US today over various issues between the left, the right, and those of us who like to try and stay relatively in the center, 'though I certainly count myself as a progressive type. It has been suggested in the last several years by some that we should withdraw from NATO and tend more to our own problems which Bush Jr's regime made so much worse. Given that Putin is expanding Russian influence again, i would think most anybody in the EU would certainly hope we stay around, and don't decide to let you "go it alone." Many here would just as soon we exited NATO for whatever popular sentiment is worth.

 

This election promises to be one of the most interesting in the US in a number of years, and major changes to foreign policy quite possibly hinge on the outcome, some of which Europe generally probably won't care for much.

 

Soidiers don't get to pick which war or area of service they get sent into, of course; maybe everybody here should keep that in mind. We owed France a tremendous debt at the birth of the USA, it is quite true, but I believe that can be counted as paid in full for some years now.

[Windsor 2,233]

Did Shroud just say Charon is English?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwGZinTeodc

[charon 4,943]

 

'Mon Vladimir.