Grim Reaper 186 Posted December 31, 2004 This is the place to discuss Sister Lucia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 6,119 Posted January 3, 2005 Is she only on the list because of age? Personally, I've never heard of her. What is her claim to fame? Apart from being a nun(?) and old. Wikipedia came up with nothing, the dont have a page for her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Reaper 186 Posted January 3, 2005 Fair question - surprising Wiki hasnt got her... http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/fatima_plan.htm I get the feeling she'll have a few obits when she goes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weatherman90 7 Posted January 3, 2005 I don't really agree with her being on the list, I think that it breaks the rules of nominating non-famous people because of their age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 42 Posted January 3, 2005 Yeah, Sister Lucia passes the famous enough test, but only because of the publicity generated by her claim to be able to see the the vision of the Fatima. What's really interesting is that there are many people in her own Catholic church who see her as an imposter and an opportunist and are using various means to silence her. I found two interesting articles on her when I was searching the web Silencing of Sister Lucia Crime against the Catholic Church It does not really matter to me whether or not she is genuine or a fraud, as I am not a Catholic and don’t take end of the world prophecies seriously. The most relevant question though - Is she likely to die soon? At 98 and in frail health, there is a good chance that it will happen this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 6,119 Posted January 3, 2005 Had a quick look through your links ff. Interesting. Yours to GR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Yeti 14 Posted January 4, 2005 Came across one of them too whilst looking. She is quite famous (in her own sphere) - I had heard of her, though only vaguely. Got a bit of a fixation on the consecration of Russia to Her (the Virgin Mary's) Immaculate Heart, whatever that is, hasn't she ? And the third secret is meant to be pretty dull, about loss of faith in the Catholic church - except in Portugal, for some obscure reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whitehouse Posted January 23, 2005 I've been to Fatima. I'm no Catholic and to me that place was the birthplace of kitch. Yuck! If Lourdes is the pilgrimage destination number one, this is number two. This is the Church with the courtyard which can accomodate more than 300.000 people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted February 4, 2005 Sister Lucia, or "irmã Lucia" as we call her in Portugal, is one of three brothers and sisters, all shepperds, who allegedly encountered Saint Mary in Fatima, in the 1910's. They're testemony was recongnized by the Vatican, after months of interrogation an (allegedly) even torture. Sister Lucia's brother Francisco and sister Jacinta died soon after these "encounters"with the Virgin Mary. Their process of canonization is presently taking place in the Vatican. Sister Lucia has herself been linked with a number of unexplained cures and is said to be the holder od three secrets revealed by the virgin. Two of them have allready been made public by the Vatican (after they took place): World Wars I e II and the assassination atempt on Pope John Paul II, that took place in the 80's, in the same day (May 13th) the Virgin first "appeared" to the three shepperds. Pope John Paul II is a devotee os the Fatima Virgin and has visited the site severall times. The recognition of the "Fatima Miracle" isn't based solely on the testemony of sister Lucia and her brother and sister. Thousands of people claimed to have witnessed "The Miracle of the Sun", in wich the Sun literally "started to dance in the sky". I'm not a Fatima believer myself, but, as celebrities go, I think beeing consideres a living saint by the Pope himself is a good business Card Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted February 4, 2005 Roger Moore also holds the distinction of being a living saint. As does Ian St John. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josco 49 Posted February 4, 2005 I preferred Roger when he starred along side Tony Curtis in the Persuaders. Top show! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted February 4, 2005 Absolutely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catherine 1 Posted February 5, 2005 I actually suggested Lucia first. I'll be quite sad when she dies, her being one of the last people to have experienced such a vision. At least she has her place in history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted February 5, 2005 I actually suggested Lucia first. I'll be quite sad when she dies, her being one of the last people to have experienced such a vision. As I understand it Roman Catholics throughout the world experience this kind of visions on a regular basis. The difference is that they aren't taken seriously, for good reasons. At least she has her place in history. There's no denying that. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted February 13, 2005 Well .. she died ! today .. 13 Feb at 17h in Portugal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Reaper 186 Posted February 13, 2005 No sign of this any where yet on the news sites - got a link guest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Reaper 186 Posted February 13, 2005 Ahhh http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12240482-23109,00.html Thanx Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 42 Posted February 13, 2005 She's gone Sister Lucia dies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted February 13, 2005 Sister Lucia dies Including a lovely spelling error: John Paul credit’s the Virgin’s intercession for his survival. I know this is the wrong thread for language pedantry... regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted February 14, 2005 Now that she has died, is it possible that if there was more to the vision than has been told, that it will be revealed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josco 49 Posted February 14, 2005 I know this is the wrong thread for language pedantry... regards, Hein No it isn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest abeliever Posted February 14, 2005 Ones belief or disbelief in the facts do not diminish them. Sister Lucia's experienced visions of the Blessed Mother at Fatima along with 2 other children. I have not been to Fatima tho I have been to Lourdes. Contrary to travel books that refer to the kitch atmostphere, it's a beautiful shrine and I personally experienced a re-conversion, and my non-Catholic brother-in-law who was with us was diagnosed with cancer shortly afterwards. The miracle for him is that tho the cancer was at an advanced stage that would have normally been a death sentance, his tumor was completely encapsulated and removed successfully. Anyone who had cancer at that stage would have had it all thru their body. One could argue why he wasnt cured of the cancer there. If he had been, he'd never have known of the blessing, and would not have quit smoking, which is what caused the cancer. Nor would his wife have been influenced to quit. In regards to this site, I find it tacky and goulish. A sad way to pass ones time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donald R. Sudsina Posted February 14, 2005 This is the place to discuss Sister Lucia I always believed in the miracle of Fatima and pray that Sister Lucia has now become a saint! I was surprised to hear of Sister Lucia (?) death. In my own way I hope she can hear my subtle plea for help to become a better person in this life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fergal Posted February 14, 2005 I visited Fatima in 1992 and will never forget the wonderful experience I and many others had there. Wonderful place. It was a place of re conversion, healing and great grace. It was also a place of preparation for me for what was about to happen to me. In 2002 I was diagnosed with cancer and thank God through the intercession of Our Blessed Lady of Fatima and through the intercession of Lucia's two cousins Jacinta and Francisco I am now cancer free. Even the doctors are suprised at the outcome. So sad today on hearing the news of Sr Lucias death. May her soul and the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Folks please remember that there are those of us out here who believe and to make fun of such an event is not an admirable thing to do. Thank you, Fergal Ireland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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