UK Singles Chart

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

3 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

Not sure if this is of much help, but this link will take you to a site which references a Brian Dunn (born March 1940, died 7 September 2015) and has a pic of the Bruvvers with their names underneath as of circa 1962. http://www.wharfbeat.co.uk/wharfbeat_041.htm and Bobby Graham mentioned as drummer by then. Given this is around the time the session musos left and the band was formally formed, this is probably the line-up for follow-up hits (though no guarantee these bods were not just the face of the band).

 

Brian Dunn's Obit here: https://www.northyorkshirenews.com/whats-on/music/tribute-to-harrogate-s-brian-dunn-he-helped-build-early-british-rock-n-roll-1-7467212, references him appearing on several hits.

 

Now all you need to do is watch the live performances of all the hits by Joe Brown and the Bruvvers to see if there were any other changes, subsequent to the 1962 line-up.

Cheers for this. Will update next time I’m at my desk. 

[YoungWillz 21,049]

@Ulitzer95 Bit more success with The Bruvvers (my interest really stems from Bobby Graham, who was asked to replace Pete Best in The Beatles). Here is Pete Oakman's homepage history link which also has some timeline: http://www.peteroakman.com/history.html

 

Says Pete Oakman left the group in December 1963, Brian Dunn had also left and it looks like by 1964 (when the hits dried up) there was a whole new backing band, none of whom I can give any help on, but for this thread that doesn't really matter!

[Youth in Asia 1,087]

This is the kind of project to do when a certain virus pops up and you have to self isolate for 14 days.

[JimK 16]

Tom Watkins, one time manager of the Pet Shop Boys, Bros, East 17 is sadly no longer with us 

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

10 minutes ago, JimK said:

Tom Watkins, one time manager of the Pet Shop Boys, Bros, East 17 is sadly no longer with us 

Guardian obit

 

Says he was 70 and suffered from diabetes and complications of a liver transplant.

[YoungWillz 21,049]

Whilst I'd suggest Tom Watkins' death is more apt elsewhere, from recollection he was a ubiquitous figure on the telly for some time. I'd say his IMDB hardly does him justice. Anyway, bit of a cunt is also my recollection.

 

IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2165816/

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31 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Guardian obit

Says he was 70 and suffered from diabetes and complications of a liver transplant.

 

He supposedly had cancer of the liver a few years back, which is why he was on my DDP team in 2016.

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

C is now up on Page 1

Bios with "complete" info:

Roy C, Al Caiola, Eddie Calvert, Glen Campbell, Jo Ann Campbell, Canned Heat, Freddy Cannon, The Caravelles, Renato Carosone and his Sextet, Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson, Vicki Carr, Ronnie Carroll, Johnny Cash, Roy Castle, The Casuals, Frank Chacksfield, George Chakiris, Richard Chamberlain, Gene Chandler, Bruce Channel, The Chantays, Don Charles, Ray Charles, Chubby Checker, Checkmates, Ltd., Cher, Don Cherry, The Chiffons, The Chipmunks, The Chordettes, Neil Christian, Lou Christie, The Chucks, Gigliola Cinquetti, Jimmy Clanton, Eric Clapton, The Dave Clark Five, Dee Clark, Petula Clark, Judy Clay, Jimmy Cliff, Buzz Clifford, Patsy Cline, Rosemary Clooney, Clyde Valley Stompers, The Coasters, Eddie Cochran, Joe Cocker, Alma Cogan, Shaye Cogan, Cozy Cole, Nat King Cole, Perry Como, Les Compagnons de la Chanson, Arthur Conley, Jess Conrad, Russ Conway, Peter Cook, Sam Cooke, Tommy Cooper, Frank Cordell, Louise Cordet, Don Cornell, Don Costa, Billy Cotton and his Band, The Countrymen, Michael Cox, Floyd Cramer, Jimmy Crawford, Cream, The Creation, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Crew-Cuts, Bernard Cribbins, The Crickets, Tony Crombie and his Rockets, Bing Crosby, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Larry Cunningham and the Mighty Avons, Cupid's Inspiration, Johnny Cymbal

Bios where I'm missing info (acts in red are very close to completion):

Cadets with Eileen Reid – Irish showband, incomplete details on 3 members, no details for the rest
Ian Campbell Folk Group – Surprised about this one because of their prominence but I can't find bio details for two key members
Pat Campbell – Irish singer, incomplete birth and death details
Valerie Carr – American R&B singer, can't find full DOB
The Cascades – American group, can't find details for 3 members
The Casinos – American doo-wop group, incomplete details for one member, no details for for a further 5
The Cats – UK ska group, incomplete details for one member, no details for two
The Chakachas – Belgian soul group, missing bio details for five members (found another alive at 99 years old though!)
The Champs – American instrumental group, incomplete details for four members
The Chantays – American surf group, missing bio details for one member
Chaquito Orchestra (led by Johnny Gregory) – UK orchestra leader. This is a complete mess. Birth details vary. Some sites suggest he's dead, others suggest he's alive
EDIT: Birth confirmed as 1924 as per GRO archives
Dick Charlesworth and his City Gents – UK jazz groups, incomplete details for one member, no details for two more
The Cheetahs – UK beat group, no details for any members need details for three members
The Cherokees – UK group, no bio details for four members
Chicken Shack – UK blues band, missing date of death for one member
Classics IV – American soft rock band, incomplete details for one member
The Cookies – American R&B group, incomplete details for one member, no details for another
Lyn Cornell – UK jazz and pop singer, missing her full DOB
The Coronets – UK vocal group, no details for four members
Mike Cotton's Jazzmen – UK jazz group, incomplete details for one member
The Cougars – UK instrumental group, no details for any members
Crazy Elephant – American bubblegum pop group, surprisingly can't find any bio details for any members
The Critters – American pop group, no details for two members
The Cryin' Shames – UK beat group, no details for two members
The Crystals – American vocal group, incomplete details for one member
The Cuff Links – American pop and rock group, no details for five members

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3 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Chaquito Orchestra (led by Johnny Gregory) – UK orchestra leader. This is a complete mess. Birth details vary. Some sites suggest he's dead, others suggest he's alive.

 

https://www.robertfarnonsociety.org.uk/index.php/legends/johnny-gregory

 

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Francesco Gregori arrived in England in 1919, and met his future wife Maria Louisa Rossi in 1922. They were engaged in London’s West End and got married in the New Year of 1924 and Johnny was born later that year.

 

The G.R.O. says they married in late 1923 and he was born Primono G G Gregori. in late 1924. I presume one of the 'G's is for Giovanni - the Italian for John.

 

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In 1949 Johnny met Joan, his wife to be.

 

 

Surname	First name(s)	Spouse	District	Vol	Page
Marriages Sep 1953   (>99%)
Biten	Joan E	Gregory	Willesden	5f	726
Biten	Joan E	Gregori	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORI	Primono G G	MARTIN	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORI	Primono G G	BITEN	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORY	John P	MARTIN	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORY	John P	BITEN	Willesden	5f	726
MARTIN	Joan E	GREGORY	Willesden	5f	726
MARTIN	Joan E	GREGORI	Willesden	5f	726

 

I can't find a death entry in the G.R.O. no matter what permutation of names I use for him. Maybe he's still alive.

 

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

8 minutes ago, Cat O'Falk said:

 

https://www.robertfarnonsociety.org.uk/index.php/legends/johnny-gregory

 

 

The G.R.O. says they married in late 1923 and he was born Primono G G Gregori. in late 1924. I presume one of the 'G's is for Giovanni - the Italian for John.

 

 

 

Surname	First name(s)	Spouse	District	Vol	Page
Marriages Sep 1953   (>99%)
Biten	Joan E	Gregory	Willesden	5f	726
Biten	Joan E	Gregori	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORI	Primono G G	MARTIN	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORI	Primono G G	BITEN	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORY	John P	MARTIN	Willesden	5f	726
GREGORY	John P	BITEN	Willesden	5f	726
MARTIN	Joan E	GREGORY	Willesden	5f	726
MARTIN	Joan E	GREGORI	Willesden	5f	726

 

I can't find a death entry in the G.R.O. no matter what permutation of names I use for him. Maybe he's still alive.

 

Hero! At least that's his birth sorted and we can work from there.

Ancestry has this record but spells it as Primino for some reason. See here. Any help?

[Spade_Cooley 9,528]

There was a Francesco Gregori born in Willesden in 1957, could he be their son? He goes by the name Franc and work as a city analyst now.

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16 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Ancestry has this record but spells it as Primino for some reason. See here. Any help?

 

There's a transcript error on the database I'm using. The original documents from the G.R.O. for both birth and marriage say the name is 'Primino'. The marriage transcript posted above is in error; that too should say 'Primino'.  

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8 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said:

There was a Francesco Gregori born in Willesden in 1957, could he be their son? He goes by the name Franc and work as a city analyst now.

 

Doesn't look like it. They had four children, Paul in 1955, Ann in 1957, Jane in 1959 and David in 1965.

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4 minutes ago, Cat O'Falk said:

They had four children, Paul in 1955, Ann in 1957, Jane in 1959 and David in 1965.

 

For some reason Paul, Ann and David were given the surname 'Gregory', however, Jane was given 'Gregori'.   

[YoungWillz 21,049]

Here is The Cheetahs Euan Rose website. https://www.euanrose.com/about/

 

Born "just after the Second World War" could be any time late 1940s. Looks like he's still alive and there's contact details there. I guess you could ask him about your favourite band of the 1960s and where they are now! If I come up with anything else, I'll let you know.

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

39 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Here is The Cheetahs Euan Rose website. https://www.euanrose.com/about/

 

Born "just after the Second World War" could be any time late 1940s. Looks like he's still alive and there's contact details there. I guess you could ask him about your favourite band of the 1960s and where they are now! If I come up with anything else, I'll let you know.

Thanks YW, would've been helpful if I had spelt it right!

I found his business page on FB. Born 15 Sep. So added that too.

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2 hours ago, Cat O'Falk said:

 

For some reason Paul, Ann and David were given the surname 'Gregory', however, Jane was given 'Gregori'.   

 

Don't forget that surnames on birth certificates are a relatively recent thing.  I can't remember when it changed, but certainly in the 1950s and 1960s no surname was entered for a child;  it was inferred from the parents' surname.  (If the parents had different surnames, the entry was simply indexed under both names, but there was only one certificate.)   Gregori is probably a typo or misunderstanding.

[YoungWillz 21,049]

The Cherokees:

 

Found this site for David Bower, who seems to be based in Canada: http://belleislestudios.com/artists/david-william-bower/ and http://belleislestudios.com/memory-lane/

 

At the end of the second link is a tribute to John Woollard. Maybe he would have said if any of the others had died, maybe he wouldn't have kept in touch. Sadly little biographical information to help. I wonder if the site defaults to the current date when you click, but the copyright is up to date. The twitter account doesn't appear to have been updated since 2017. https://twitter.com/BelleIsleStudio Same with the blog on the site. Hmm.

[YoungWillz 21,049]

Possible birth date for David (Dave) Kelsey of The Countrymen: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/dave_kelsey

 

Sleeve notes on this pic helpfully gives dates of birth for the boys though:

 

 

Maybe a good springboard for an ancestry/GRO search?

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

The Cherokees:

 

Found this site for David Bower, who seems to be based in Canada: http://belleislestudios.com/artists/david-william-bower/ and http://belleislestudios.com/memory-lane/

 

At the end of the second link is a tribute to John Woollard. Maybe he would have said if any of the others had died, maybe he wouldn't have kept in touch. Sadly little biographical information to help. I wonder if the site defaults to the current date when you click, but the copyright is up to date. The twitter account doesn't appear to have been updated since 2017. https://twitter.com/BelleIsleStudio Same with the blog on the site. Hmm.

Link mentions a middle name too, which I thought would be useful. Sadly there's nothing coming up in the GRO 

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

48 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Possible birth date for David (Dave) Kelsey of The Countrymen: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/dave_kelsey

 

Sleeve notes on this pic helpfully gives dates of birth for the boys though:

 

 

Maybe a good springboard for an ancestry/GRO search?

This is brilliant, all three! Just shows how much you can uncover if you keep digging. I wonder how many sleeves of that era were this detailed? I don't think any of my LPs have detailed bios on them!

[YoungWillz 21,049]

3 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

This is brilliant, all three! Just shows how much you can uncover if you keep digging. I wonder how many sleeves of that era were this detailed? I don't think any of my LPs have detailed bios on them!

Having just disposed of my Dad's vinyl collection, certainly the bios appeared mostly on classical and folk albums of that era. I'm guessing probably because the artists were not generally covered by the popular music press, or alternatively it was blurb to fill the back - after all, you can only say so much about classical composers that most purchasers wouldn't know, so the performer would get a bit of a write-up.

 

Took me quite some time to find that pic for The Countrymen though. You gotta think obliquely in search terms and have the patience of a saint to scroll forever through a lot of the same info. As I'm sure you are discovering!

 

Bloody Valerie Carr is turning out to be a nightmare. There's a magazine called "Jet" in Google Books, but not much coming from that, itty bitty gossip. And did she marry? What then? Given up on her, tbh.

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Having just disposed of my Dad's vinyl collection, certainly the bios appeared mostly on classical and folk albums of that era. I'm guessing probably because the artists were not generally covered by the popular music press, or alternatively it was blurb to fill the back - after all, you can only say so much about classical composers that most purchasers wouldn't know, so the performer would get a bit of a write-up.

 

Took me quite some time to find that pic for The Countrymen though. You gotta think obliquely in search terms and have the patience of a saint to scroll forever through a lot of the same info. As I'm sure you are discovering!

 

Bloody Valerie Carr is turning out to be a nightmare. There's a magazine called "Jet" in Google Books, but not much coming from that, itty bitty gossip. And did she marry? What then? Given up on her, tbh.

The Collins Complete UK Hit Singles book says she was born in New York City in 1936. Couldn't find anything more online.

Yeah, it's consuming a lot of my free time! D has been quite successful. Just two "total blanks" – Charles Dickens (aka David Anthony) and Kenny Damon.

E is proving to be a nightmare though... loads of obscure "low hit" wonders!

[Ulitzer95 12,623]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

Possible birth date for David (Dave) Kelsey of The Countrymen: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/dave_kelsey

 

Sleeve notes on this pic helpfully gives dates of birth for the boys though:

 

 

Maybe a good springboard for an ancestry/GRO search?

Had a look on Ancestry...

David Waite is possibly dead. < Sadly doesn't list a DOB so dubious if this is him or not

David Kelsey is dead.

Found some Alan Beach records. Looks like he's either still living or emigrated because he hasn't died here.

[YoungWillz 21,049]

Interestingly @Ulitzer95 you might not be able to find Lyn(n) Cornell in birth records for Liverpool in 1940, because the clipping here seems to suggest she was born in 1936 (but what do they know?). Surely her marriage to Andy White in April 1962 might have a record somewhere which would indicate her dob? I dunno, I wouldn't know where to begin, think you have to register for Ancestry.

 

Edit: Remember the link: https://www.ebay.ie/itm/62-12-Ephemera-Margate-1963-Article-Lyn-Cornell-Dreamland-/382879128368