Spade_Cooley 9,538 Posted July 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: I think we're 75% of the way there on him. If there was a reference that linked the Duane Eddy drummer to Wisconsin, or latterly living in California, or also appearing on jazz hits etc. then I'll add it in. Maybe I'm being overcautious. Troxel looks like a rare surname from what Ancestry has brought up. In 1958 there was a training film made called "Basic Snare Drum Technique" by Troxel Music Enterprises, directed by.... James Marvin Troxel. The same James Marvin Troxel also copyrighted music for the 1959 movie Thunder In The Sun, which was filmed in California.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: In 1958 there was a training film made called "Basic Snare Drum Technique" by Troxel Music Enterprises, directed by.... James Marvin Troxel. The same James Marvin Troxel also copyrighted music for the 1959 movie Thunder In The Sun, which was filmed in California.... On Ancestry, James Marvin Troxel's records state that he was married in Phoenix, Arizona in the 1950s. This page mentions Jimmy Troxel was with Duane Eddy's lot in Phoenix... in the 1950s. And the comment from 4 years ago also mentions that he's dead. We got there! Updated the section. So only saxophonist Jim Horn (b. 1940) and Duane Eddy himself (b. 1938) are still around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 23, 2020 Last one for now. The Cougars. Found an article here from March 1963: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/63/Record-Mirror-1963-03-09-S-OCR.pdf We can narrow down the origins to the Sea Mills area of Bristol. Helpfully ages given: Keith Owen (20) - so born 1942/43 David Tanner (20) - so born 1942/43 Adrian Morgan (19) - so born 1943/44 David Hack (spelt Huck here) (22) - so born 1940/41 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, YoungWillz said: Last one for now. The Cougars. Found an article here from March 1963: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/63/Record-Mirror-1963-03-09-S-OCR.pdf We can narrow down the origins to the Sea Mills area of Bristol. Helpfully ages given: Keith Owen (20) - so born 1942/43 David Tanner (20) - so born 1942/43 Adrian Morgan (19) - so born 1943/44 David Hack (spelt Huck here) (22) - so born 1940/41 This is great stuff. Keith R D Owen b. Bristol Q4 1942 / married Bristol / d. Q3 2019 (aged 76) David G Hack b. Bristol 1940 / married Bristol / still living in 2019 Adrian D F Morgan b. Bristol 1943 / married Worthing, Sussex / still living in 2019 Can't find Tanner. He wasn't born in Bristol. There are three David Tanners born in Gloucestershire in 42–43 so meh. Updated. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 23, 2020 Can't find anything on the band, but just to note it should be Elias and his Zig Zag Jive Flutes, not Jazz. Described rather unfortunately in a British publication as "Music Of The Zulus". Ah, the 1950s. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Can't find anything on the band, but just to note it should be Elias and his Zig Zag Jive Flutes, not Jazz. Described rather unfortunately in a British publication as "Music Of The Zulus". Ah, the 1950s. Fixed. Cheers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 24, 2020 The Four Esquires. I found this: https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Billboard/50s/1959/Billboard 1959-05-25-Programming.pdf indicating that all the boys were in their 20s in 1959, and that Bob Colligan's home town is listed as York Harbor, Maine. I have a feeling there might be a few Colligans from Maine, but which of them spent some years at Boston Uni, Boston, Mass? Interesting that Wiki states they were signed in 1956, but they were certainly releasing records according to Billboard as early as the start of 1955, probably while they were still at University. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, YoungWillz said: The Four Esquires. I found this: https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Billboard/50s/1959/Billboard 1959-05-25-Programming.pdf indicating that all the boys were in their 20s in 1959, and that Bob Colligan's home town is listed as York Harbor, Maine. I have a feeling there might be a few Colligans from Maine, but which of them spent some years at Boston Uni, Boston, Mass? Interesting that Wiki states they were signed in 1956, but they were certainly releasing records according to Billboard as early as the start of 1955, probably while they were still at University. Couldn't find Bob Colligan on Ancestry, at all. Then found this promo, which gives his DOB. It's pixelated but I make out 25th Sep 1931 in Peabody, Massachusetts. What do you see? Anyway, punch this into Ancestry and still nothing. I've added it in for now though. This image has opened a whooooole new can of worms though. So Bob Colligan done. Let's look at Wally Gold – no problems. The image says he was born in Brooklyn, New York on Jul 12, 1928 and the descrip at the side says deceased. That matches the info we have. Next, Frank Mahoney (or Fran Mahoney as the typo in the promo refers to him as). Lots of online sources (albeit none of them solid) state that this guy died in 2007. I used this page for the date of death of 25th Jul 2007. The page gives his year of birth as 1920. I found the corresponding Francis Mahoney who died on that date in 2007 on Ancestry. Says he was born 25th May 1919. Internet says he was a WWII interpreter. Makes sense, as age would check out. So the problem is that the above promo image says he was born (again squinting my eyes) Jul 12 1928 in Boston Massachusetts. Now, this would make more sense as it's in line with the ages of the rest of the group. But where does the WWII interpreter stuff come from (if he was born 1928, he'd have been a very young WWII interpreter – 16 by the point the war ended!). So I can't find Mahoney on Ancestry under the DOB Jul 12 1928 so now I'm even more confused. Is he even dead? Possibly (the seller of that item seems to think so but maybe they were going off of Wikipedia). Did he die in 2007? Maybe. OR perhaps somebody had him confused with another Frank/Francis Mahoney and he in fact died in another place and time. Anyway, very very confused now. Annoying as the research we're doing is flawless as far as our method goes. It's just that there is so much nonsense written on the Internet! Second problem.... Bill Courtney. It says he was born 02 April 19?? (can't make it out) in Boston Massachusetts. This one the promo definitely has wrong. In this interview he states he was born in Portland, Maine and that his family moved to Boston, Massachusetts later. Says his father was a shipping commissioner. I found him under his real name of William Leo O'Brien (but on the death certificate it says aka Bill Courtney), the record states born in Portland, Maine, lists the father's profession as a shipping commissioner, residence Medford Massachusetts etc. It's definitely the right guy I found, but his death certificate says born 26 Jan 1926, not 02 Apr. I'm less bothered about the second one. It's all cross verified and I'd rather trust his word of mouth and the death records vs. a promotional bio. But Mahoney is fucked up and I don't know what to do with it now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 25, 2020 Harmony Grass. Seems to be a lot of information here from December 1968: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/68/Record-Mirror-1968-12-14.pdf How much reliance you can put on it given the direct contradiction of Tony Rivers' age with that on Wiki.... Anyway it says: Tony Rivers - 24, born Shilton, Co. Durham Ray Brown - 25, born Hertford Bill Castle - 22, born Wakefield Tony Ferguson - 20 - no location but probably Dagenham, lumped in with Kenny Rowe Kenny Rowe - 25, born Dagenham Tony Marshall - 21, born Worthing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 25, 2020 The Marauders. Danny Davis was born in Plymouth, this is backed up by articles on them from the early 60s. According to this, he was born in 1942. http://www.45cat.com/biography/danny-davis-uk The other three were from Stoke-On-Trent. In 1963/64, they were living together in a town house near Cresswell Station, Cresswell, Staffordshire. The following articles give the info, which may help: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/63/Record-Mirror-1963-08-17-S-OCR.pdf https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Pop-Weekly/64/Pop%20Weekly%2027%2029th%20February%201964_19.pdf 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 26, 2020 The Pyramids (Revisited). Monty Neysmith born Port Antonio, Jamaica, now recording and performing as Monty Montgomery out of Atlanta, Georgia: https://www.facebook.com/pg/Monty-Montgomery-77161768814/about/?ref=page_internal The official band bio by Frank Pitter seems to indicate one of the band was Ray Knight, rather than Roy.https://symarippyramid.com/about-symarip-pyramid/ If it's of any help, Frank Pitter is in Tulse Hill, Lambeth, London and his FB page is here: https://www.facebook.com/frankpittersymarippyramid.pitter 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 26, 2020 Kenny Damon (aka Kenny Roberts) (Revisited) While looking for something else entirely I came across an article on him here from September 1966: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/66/Record-Mirror-1966-09-17.pdf Yes, American but married to "an English girl" (did it last?) aged 25 then, puts his dob 1940/41. Nothing really that ties his origin in. Edit: He does say he played a strip club in Cincinnati. Could this be another Eddie Preston, and he is Kenneth Damon Roberts? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 26, 2020 Denny Seyton and the Sabres. Good article here giving names and ages from September 1964: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/64/Record-Mirror-1964-09-26-S-OCR.pdf I think you have some of these but the line up for the single anyway: Mike Logan (17) - so born 1946/47 Edward Murphy (20) - so born 1943/44 Denny Seyton (21) - so born 1942/43 Dave Saxon (Eden Kane's former drummer) (22) - so born 1941/42 John Boyle (21) - so born 1942/43 All seemingly out of Liverpool/Coventry? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 26, 2020 David Thorne. Article here from January 1963 has all the details: https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-UK/Music/Archive-Record-Mirror-IDX/IDX/60s/63/Record-Mirror-1963-01-26-S-OCR-OCR-Page-0004.pdf From Nashville, Tennessee, he was 26 then (born 1936/37), with a half sister named Mildred Lindsay. Overcame a terrible stammer. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 26, 2020 Dodie West. Review from September 1965 here which indicates she was 20 - so born 1944/45: https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-UK/Music/Archive-Record-Mirror-IDX/IDX/60s/65/Record-Mirror-1965-09-11-S-OCR-OCR-Page-0009.pdf 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 26, 2020 Four Esquires (Revisited) Bob Colligan seems to have been also known as Bob Golden. Probably changed his name to avoid confusion with the actor? Might Golden be found in York Harbor? I've exhausted my sources on them. And that's all I can do for the 1950s/60s. Phew! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 On 20/05/2020 at 04:51, Ulitzer95 said: Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias Wiki UK comedy rock band from Manchester, formed in 1973 and disbanded in 1982 Tony Bowers 31 Oct 1952 – Living Bob Harding Jul 1949 – Living Jimmy Hibbert 15 Jul 1955 – Living CP Lee 19 Jan 1950 – 24 Jul 2020 (70) Obit Bruce Mitchell 06 Jun 1940 – Living Les Prior 17 Apr 1948 – 31 Jan 1980 (31) Mention of death Simon White 1951 – Living 23/09/1978 Heads Down, No Nonsense, Mindless Boogie #47 The song mocks the style of Status Quo Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias updated for the death of CP Lee. On 20/07/2020 at 11:25, Ulitzer95 said: Fleetwood Mac Wiki UK/American rock band from London, formed in 1967, they have sold more than 120 million records to date making them one of the world's most successful bands, inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1998 Lindsey Buckingham 03 Oct 1949 – Living Mick Fleetwood 24 Jun 1947 – Living Peter Green 29 Oct 1946 – 25 Jul 2020 (73) Guardian obit Danny Kirwan 13 May 1950 – 08 Jun 2018 (68) Guardian obit Christine McVie 12 Jul 1943 – Living John McVie 26 Nov 1945 – Living Stevie Nicks 26 May 1948 – Living 23/05/1970 The Green Manalishi (with the Two Prong Crown) #10 12/05/1973 Albatross (re-release) #2 13/11/1976 Say You Love Me #40 19/02/1977 Go Your Own Way #38 30/04/1977 Don't Stop #32 09/07/1977 Dreams #24 22/10/1977 You Make Loving Fun #45 11/03/1978 Rhiannon #46 06/10/1979 Tusk #6 Features the uncredited contribution from the USC Trojan Marching Band – the 260 piece band couldn't fit into the recording studio so their part was recorded outside at the Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles 22/12/1979 Sara #37 Fleetwood Mac updated for the death of Peter Green (also updated their 60s entry). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, YoungWillz said: Four Esquires (Revisited) Bob Colligan seems to have been also known as Bob Golden. Probably changed his name to avoid confusion with the actor? Might Golden be found in York Harbor? I've exhausted my sources on them. And that's all I can do for the 1950s/60s. Phew! I've taken some of the contentious info out and added a note to their section. Can't find either Colligan or Mahoney in the records to get any confirmation. Just Gold and Courtney. Thanks for looking! Will work through the rest of these shortly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 On 25/07/2020 at 12:30, YoungWillz said: Harmony Grass. Seems to be a lot of information here from December 1968: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/68/Record-Mirror-1968-12-14.pdf How much reliance you can put on it given the direct contradiction of Tony Rivers' age with that on Wiki.... Anyway it says: Tony Rivers - 24, born Shilton, Co. Durham Ray Brown - 25, born Hertford Bill Castle - 22, born Wakefield Tony Ferguson - 20 - no location but probably Dagenham, lumped in with Kenny Rowe Kenny Rowe - 25, born Dagenham Tony Marshall - 21, born Worthing Hmm could be a mistake, or could be that they reduced his age for publicity purposes. Is it Tony or Tom Marshall? Tom seems to be the most commonly used one online but I see that this and a few other sources say Tony. Anyway, section updated. Cheers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 On 25/07/2020 at 15:17, YoungWillz said: The Marauders. Danny Davis was born in Plymouth, this is backed up by articles on them from the early 60s. According to this, he was born in 1942. http://www.45cat.com/biography/danny-davis-uk The other three were from Stoke-On-Trent. In 1963/64, they were living together in a town house near Cresswell Station, Cresswell, Staffordshire. The following articles give the info, which may help: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/63/Record-Mirror-1963-08-17-S-OCR.pdf https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Pop-Weekly/64/Pop%20Weekly%2027%2029th%20February%201964_19.pdf Cheers. Updated Davis. Sargeant's local obit from earlier this year mentions that the other three are still living. Two of them were interviewed. Not Davis funnily enough, which makes me think he might have emigrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 9 hours ago, YoungWillz said: The Pyramids (Revisited). Monty Neysmith born Port Antonio, Jamaica, now recording and performing as Monty Montgomery out of Atlanta, Georgia: https://www.facebook.com/pg/Monty-Montgomery-77161768814/about/?ref=page_internal The official band bio by Frank Pitter seems to indicate one of the band was Ray Knight, rather than Roy.https://symarippyramid.com/about-symarip-pyramid/ If it's of any help, Frank Pitter is in Tulse Hill, Lambeth, London and his FB page is here: https://www.facebook.com/frankpittersymarippyramid.pitter Brilliant! According to Pitter's FB his birthday was yesterday, 25th Jul. Already have his DOB so that's now complete. I've changed Roy Knight to Ray Knight. Good find for Neysmith. Found his naturalization record on Ancestry! Name Howard Errington Sampson Neysmith Birth Port Antonio, Jamaica 12/10/1951 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 9 hours ago, YoungWillz said: Kenny Damon (aka Kenny Roberts) (Revisited) While looking for something else entirely I came across an article on him here from September 1966: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Record-Mirror/60s/66/Record-Mirror-1966-09-17.pdf Yes, American but married to "an English girl" (did it last?) aged 25 then, puts his dob 1940/41. Nothing really that ties his origin in. Edit: He does say he played a strip club in Cincinnati. Could this be another Eddie Preston, and he is Kenneth Damon Roberts? Thanks, updated! Can't find a marriage certificate or any records from Cincinnati where he's identifiable sadly but at least we have something more concrete now. And surprise surprise the Collins book and IMDb are wrong on his nationality! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 26, 2020 8 hours ago, YoungWillz said: Dodie West. Review from September 1965 here which indicates she was 20 - so born 1944/45: https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-UK/Music/Archive-Record-Mirror-IDX/IDX/60s/65/Record-Mirror-1965-09-11-S-OCR-OCR-Page-0009.pdf Cheers. Born in Lancashire area in 1945 as Doreen M Bull according to the GRO. There was a Doreen Mary Bull born 1945 who died in Wales in 2013. Could've been her I suppose, but we'd need something to link it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,654 Posted July 27, 2020 G (part 1/4) Peter Gabriel 13 Feb 1950 – Living Wiki UK singer-songwriter, musician and record producer from Chobham, Surrey, original lead singer of the progressive rock band Genesis who were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2010, nominated for an Academy Award and winner of six Grammy Awards 09/04/1977 Solsbury Hill #13 Gallagher and Lyle Wiki UK pop rock duo from Largs, North Ayrshire, Scotland Benny Gallagher 10 Jun 1945 – Living Graham Lyle 11 Mar 1944 – Living 28/02/1976 I Wanna Stay with You #6 22/05/1976 Heart on My Sleeve #6 11/09/1976 Breakaway #35 29/01/1977 Every Little Teardrop #32 Patsy Gallant 15 Aug 1948 – Living Wiki Canadian pop singer and musical theatre actress from Campbellton, New Brunswick 10/09/1977 From New York to L.A. #6 James Galway 08 Dec 1939 – Living Wiki UK virtuoso flute player from Belfast, Northern Ireland, nicknamed "The Man with the Golden Flute", awarded an OBE in 1977 and knighted in 2001 27/05/1978 Annie's Song #3 Instrumental cover of a song by John Denver Gang of Four Wiki UK post-punk band from Leeds, formed in 1976, Andy Gill died in February 2020 and it is believed that he may have been an early victim of COVID-19 Dave Allen 23 Dec 1955 – Living Hugo Burnham 25 Mar 1956 – Living Andy Gill 01 Jan 1956 – 01 Feb 2020 (64) Guardian obit Jon King 08 Jun 1955 – Living 16/06/1979 At Home He's a Tourist #58 Boris Gardiner 13 Jan 1943 – Living Wiki Jamaican ska and reggae singer-songwriter and bass guitarist from Kingston, also a member of The Upsetters 17/01/1970 Elizabethan Reggae #14 Lee Garrett 30 Jun 1943 – Living Wiki American R&B singer-songwriter from Mississippi 29/05/1976 You're My Everything #15 Leif Garrett 08 Nov 1961 – Living Wiki American singer, actor and television personality from Hollywood, California, later became infamous for his drug abuse and legal problems 20/01/1979 I was Made For Dancin' #4 21/04/1979 Feel the Need #38 Gary's Gang Wiki American R&B and disco group from Queens, New York City, New York, formed in 1977 and disbanded in 1985 Bill Catalano c. 1950 – Living Bob Forman c. 1954 – Living Al Lauricella c. 1959 – Living Jay Leon c. 1955 – Living Eric Matthew (aka Joe Tucci) 14 Mar 1953 – Living Rino Minetti 28 Aug 1958 – Living Gary Turnier 27 Dec 1954 – Living 24/02/1979 Keep on Dancin' #8 02/06/1979 Let's Lovedance Tonight #49 David Gates 11 Dec 1940 – Living Wiki American soft rock singer-songwriter, guitarist and producer from Tulsa, Oklahoma, lead singer of the band Bread 22/07/1978 Took the Last Train #50 Marvin Gaye 02 Apr 1939 – 01 Apr 1984 (44) LA Times obit Wiki American soul and R&B singer-songwriter and record producer from Washington D.C., helped shape the sound of Motown in the 1960s, nicknamed the "Prince of Motown" and the "Prince of Soul", also known for his recorded duets with Diana Ross, Mary Wells, Kim Weston and Tammi Terrell, fatally shot by his father during a dispute in 1984, inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1987 09/05/1970 Abraham, Martin and John #9 A Tribute to Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr. and John F. Kennedy 11/12/1971 Save the Children #41 22/09/1973 Let's Get it on #31 23/03/1974 You are Everything #5 Released as Diana Ross and Marvin Gaye 20/07/1974 Stop, Look, Listen (to Your Heart) #25 Released as Diana Ross and Marvin Gaye 07/05/1977 Got to Give it Up #7 24/02/1979 Pops, We Love You (A Tribute to Father) #66 Released as Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson and Stevie Wonder / Recorded in honour of the 90th birthday of Motown Founder Berry Gordy's father, who died later that year from cancer Crystal Gayle 09 Jan 1951 – Living Wiki American country singer-songwriter from Painstville, Kentucky, noted for her floor-length hair, sister of country singers Loretta Lynn (b. 1932) and Peggy Sue (b. 1943), has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and inducted as a member of the Grand Ole Opry in 2017 12/11/1977 Don't it Make My Brown Eyes Blue #5 26/08/1978 Talking in Your Sleep #11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted July 27, 2020 Gary's Gang. Details of most of the band here referencing an article from March 1979: https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Cash-Box/70s/1979/CB-1979-05-05.pdf Couple quite old for a pop band. Specifies Richmond Hills area of Queens. Bill Catlano (28) (Is Catalano a misspell, or Catlano?) Bob Froman (24) (Again is it Froman or Forman?) Al Lauricella (19) Rino Minetta (20) Jay Leon (23) Eric Matthew (25) Doesn't specify Turnier's age but you seem to have that dob. Happy to help! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
