La Tombe 353 Posted March 21 43 minutes ago, Lafaucheuse said: Frederic Mitterand dead at 76 An other hit for the French Deathlist ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantomasss 209 Posted March 21 Oh my 8th hit ! With 4 deaths in february and now 3 in march it makes 1 death / week since the 1st feb... I don't know if all these old people don't want to live the heaven of Olympic games, but it's specially a french year 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tracy 2,392 Posted March 22 Babar writer Laurent de Brunhoff dead at 98. 6 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lafaucheuse 4,045 Posted March 22 11 minutes ago, tracy said: Babar writer Laurent de Brunhoff dead at 98. Again ? +8… well two obits to come. +6 for my personnal list, it’s a deluge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
La Tombe 353 Posted March 22 On 22/03/2024 at 23:48, tracy said: Babar writer Laurent de Brunhoff dead at 98. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! Babar was one of the hero in my childhood ! RIP to these talentuous writer...although it was his father Jean de Brunhoff who created Babar, nevermind thanks to the Brunhoff family who by their talent marked my childhood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
La Tombe 353 Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Lafaucheuse said: Again ? +8… well two obits to come. +6 for my personnal list, it’s a deluge Me too, it's also my 6th hit ! These year is deadly for French personalities, they drop like flies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lafaucheuse 4,045 Posted March 22 I’m currently taking a week end abroad (hence the delay in obits) and while checking our list this morning while waiting for the plane, I tried to imagine which pick could be hits. I underestimated de Brunhoff who, I thought, had good chances to see his centenary. Wasn’t expecting such a quick follow up less it be him. Lots of low hanging fruits there, we might make it around 18-20 if we continue in that pace. 8 in only 3 months sounds amazing, all the more so for their popularity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
La Tombe 353 Posted March 22 Is there a sign of destiny ? Back in 2011, Frederic Mitterrand (at these time French minister for Culture) awarded to Laurent de Brunhoff the title of Commandeur of Arts and Letters (Honorary Title for French artist who made great things) at an official ceremony in Paris and twelve years later, in 2024, both die one day appart. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lafaucheuse 4,045 Posted March 24 21 march 2024 Hit n°7 Mitterrand : enterrement Former minister of culture and TV personality Frederic Mitterrand has died aged 76, becoming the second hit of march for our common french deathlist. Mitterrand, nephew of François, was born in 1937 in Paris and started his political career by playing in a movie aged 12, alongside Michèle Morgan and Bourvil. After the great success of such a talentuous acting career, he ended up teaching economy and history in Paris, before producing minor movies and TV shows during the 1980's. He then moved on to become a TV host, specialized in monarchies and history. At the same time, he began his institutional and political career, which led him to be the Director of the Villa Medicis in Rome in 2008 and ultimately, Minister of Culture between 2009 and 2012 for which he was most famous. His role as minister of culture was particularly well-received and was considered as one of the most influential and important one, alongside the ones of André Malraux and Jack Lang. In the meantime, he wrote several books and continued his cultural sponsorship which owed him to be seen as one of the most erudite public figures on the French scene and allowed him to be considered to join the Académie Française. In the end, he was not retained, due to silly accusations of paedocriminality : after having wrote in his 2005 autobiography that he frequently payed for the service of young thaï boys in Bangkok, he didn't understand the public condemnation to which he was subjected and rejected all accusation of criminal practices. Death seems to have clear all charges against him, given the unanimous tributes to the scholar that he was. Mitterrand died after a year battle with cancer and becomes the 7th hit of our 2024 list which showed to be particularly productive. He was selected this year at the n°20 spot. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lafaucheuse 4,045 Posted March 24 22 march 2024 Hit n°8 Laurent de Brunh-off Babar's second father, Laurent de Brunhoff has died to provide our deathlist with a back-to-back success. De Brunhoff was born in 1925 in Paris in a illustrious family : his great-grandfather, Oscar the 1st was king of Norway and Sweden, his uncle Michel de Brunhoff, the founder of Vogue Paris and some other famous fashion magazines, and his own father was the creator of the worldly famous child comic book Babar. At the death of his father in 1937, Laurent de Brunhoff took control of the Babar's company at the young age of 13. He then produced 15 additional albums in the legacy of this father and became one of the most famous and prolixe french illustrators. He moved to the United States in his later life and died there aged 98 from complication of a stroke, to become the 8th hit of our list. He was selected this year at n°36 and even though we thought he had good chances of reaching 100, his death is a good reminder that not everyone who makes it to 98 makes it to 99… There is no teller when this deluge of hits will stop ! 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwall32 114 Posted March 24 On 31/12/2023 at 17:04, Lafaucheuse said: 1. 103 Philippe de Gaulle admiral and nepo-baby 2. 102 Roland Dumas former Foreign Minister 3. 103 Edgar Morin philosopher and sociologist 4. 102 Micheline Presle actress 5. 96 Jean-Marie Le Pen neo nazi 6. 96 Line Renaud the Line 7. 90 Brigitte Bardot BB 8. 89 Alain Delon actor and ego-centrist 9. 102 Jean Malaurie explorer and anthropologist 10. 91 Bernadette Chirac Madame prout-prout 11. 94 Philippe Bouvard TV host 12. 80 Françoise Hardy singer 13. 95 Edouard Balladur former prime minister 14. 96 Robert Badinter former minister of justice 15. 95 François Cheng author, academician 16. 97 Geneviève Page actress 17. 81 Charles Biétry sport journalist 18. 89 Bernard Pivot author and journalist 19. 63 Florent Pagny singer, songwriter 20. 77 Frédéric Mitterrand touche à tout (especially young thaï boys) 21. 85 Brigitte Fontaine touche à tout 22. 73 Catherine Laborde weather-girl 23. 88 Jacques Balutin actor 24. 103 André Chandernagor former European Affair Minister 25. 87 Maryse Condé author 26. 94 Gilles Jacob film critic and essayist 27. 90 Claude Zidi screenwriter 28. 90 Marie-France Garaud presidential candidate 29. 92 Marthe Villalonga actress 30. 100 Anne Vernon actress 31. 95 Charles Dumont Composer, songwriter ("Non Je Ne Regrette Rien") 32. 98 Judith Magre actress 33. 95 Claire Maurier actress 34. 98 Jean-Pierre Serre mathematician 35. 99 Raphaël Géminiani cyclist 36. 99 Laurent de Brunhoff illustrator 37. 90 Nadine Trintignant filmmaker and novelist 38. 96 Laurence Badie actress 39. 95 André Darrigade cyclist 40. 89 Aldo Maccione actor 41. 92 Petula Clark singer 42. 89 Guy Gilbert punk priest 43. 95 Alejandro Jodorowsky avant-garde filmmaker 44. 87 Jean Paul Guerlain Perfumer 45. 100 Roger Guillemin neuroscientist 46. 80 Jean-Pierre Léaud actor 47. 93 Gérard Mulliez billionaire 48. 91 Gérard Hernandez actor 49. 77 Isabelle Balkany politician and fraudster 50. 72 Renaud singer It's a very impressive and well-researched list. list. I'm particularly engaged by the fact you've got so many hits so early in the year. One question: are you entirely sure that Number 41 Petula Clark has taken French citizenship? (I know that she's lived there for decades, but is she fully naturalised?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
La Tombe 353 Posted March 24 3 hours ago, millwall32 said: It's a very impressive and well-researched list. list. I'm particularly engaged by the fact you've got so many hits so early in the year. One question: are you entirely sure that Number 41 Petula Clark has taken French citizenship? (I know that she's lived there for decades, but is she fully naturalised?) Petula Clark lives in Geneva, she lost her French husband Claude Wolff some days ago…Out of this, I don’t know if she has taken French citizenship, but with Brexit, there is a possiblity in that sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwall32 114 Posted March 24 2 hours ago, La Tombe said: Petula Clark lives in Geneva, she lost her French husband Claude Wolff some days ago…Out of this, I don’t know if she has taken French citizenship, but with Brexit, there is a possiblity in that sense. Then , technically, should she still be on your otherwise excellent list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,577 Posted March 24 I would agree she doesn't belong on the list. Lives mainly in Geneva. She has another residence close to my aunt in London. The place in the French Alps sounds like a place where she goes on holiday. I have a time share in Tenerife. I'm not fucking Spanish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwall32 114 Posted March 25 13 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: I would agree she doesn't belong on the list. Lives mainly in Geneva. She has another residence close to my aunt in London. The place in the French Alps sounds like a place where she goes on holiday. I have a time share in Tenerife. I'm not fucking Spanish. I tend to agree. But all this could be solved by finding out if Petula Clark is actually French/ has joint citizenship. I've had a hunt around and I can't find out. It would be a shame to invalidate all @La Faucheuse's hard work on a point of accuracy. But we don't want to be sloppy with facts either. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bestparolanto 46 Posted March 25 16 minutes ago, millwall32 said: It would be a shame to invalidate all @La Faucheuse's hard work on a point of accuracy. I was warned of the pedantry that could reign here, I did not expect it to arise in such a petty way. In any case, and if the choice of Madame Petula Clark in the French deathlist does not suit these gentlemen, and in order to avoid extreme acts. We could consider : 1. removing Madame from the list and replacing her with another 2. removing Madame from the list without replacing her. 3. Or we can keep her and consider her enough French because she sung "La Gadoue". Those are my suggestion, I don't know the case law on the matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lafaucheuse 4,045 Posted March 25 Petula Clark was chosen due to her long and illustrious career in France. She may not be french per se (I can’t find any info about french citizenship) but we did say « francophone personalities » and not « french » on the first page with the rules. Petula has had a long history with France which, we commonly thought, was enough to include her in a french speaking deathlist. This choice may be controversial but we can’t delete her now. Maybe we’ll replace her for next year, as she was in competition with Leslie Caron. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,130 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, Bestparolanto said: I was warned of the pedantry that could reign here, I did not expect it to arise in such a petty way. The pedantry is grammar-related. Accuracy and keeping to the rules is not pedantry. The rules for the list specify "French-speaking personalities (and not exclusively French per se)" and so Petula Clark certainly qualifies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwall32 114 Posted March 25 5 hours ago, Bestparolanto said: I was warned of the pedantry that could reign here, I did not expect it to arise in such a petty way. In any case, and if the choice of Madame Petula Clark in the French deathlist does not suit these gentlemen, and in order to avoid extreme acts. We could consider : 1. removing Madame from the list and replacing her with another 2. removing Madame from the list without replacing her. 3. Or we can keep her and consider her enough French because she sung "La Gadoue". Those are my suggestion, I don't know the case law on the matter. Do you really find it pedantic to point out that someone on a French Deathlist might not be French? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwall32 114 Posted March 25 5 hours ago, Lafaucheuse said: Petula Clark was chosen due to her long and illustrious career in France. She may not be french per se (I can’t find any info about french citizenship) but we did say « francophone personalities » and not « french » on the first page with the rules. Petula has had a long history with France which, we commonly thought, was enough to include her in a french speaking deathlist. This choice may be controversial but we can’t delete her now. Maybe we’ll replace her for next year, as she was in competition with Leslie Caron. I see what you're saying. So , for example, could Bob Dylan be on your list on the grounds that he was given the Legion d'Honneur in 2013? Or Woody Allen on the grounds that he's conducted TV interviews in French? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,028 Posted March 25 How far does this go? If I have a soiree at the weekend, with vol-au-vents and aperitifs, followed by a meal including an entree and a dessert of croquembouche (that's profiteroles you know), then a stroll around the garden pointing out my plants flowering in their jardinieres, glass of champagne in hand, for example? (I am joking here of course, it's somebody's pool with their rules, which you just look upon). 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,741 Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: If I have a soiree at the weekend, with vol-au-vents and aperitifs, followed by a meal including an entree and a dessert of croquembouche (that's profiteroles you know), then a stroll around the garden pointing out my plants flowering in their jardinieres, glass of champagne in hand, for example? Then I'd say you've a reasonable chance of declaring yourself, or your guests, eligible for a French Deathlist as you've clearly been lying to all of us for a while about living anywhere near Glasgow at all. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinbabad 1,115 Posted March 25 13 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: A dessert of croquembouche (that's profiteroles you know) First time I ever heard this word ! I looked it up on google, but that’s not profiteroles, it’s a kind of pièce montée (pastry served at weddings) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,028 Posted March 25 11 minutes ago, Sinbabad said: First time I ever heard this word ! I looked it up on google, but that’s not profiteroles, it’s a kind of pièce montée (pastry served at weddings) Ah. A critique. (French you know). Look, I'm only going off Masterchef watching, it was profiteroles then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lafaucheuse 4,045 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, millwall32 said: I see what you're saying. So , for example, could Bob Dylan be on your list on the grounds that he was given the Legion d'Honneur in 2013? Or Woody Allen on the grounds that he's conducted TV interviews in French? As far as I can see, neither Bob Dylan or Woody Allen made half of their career in France, But feel free to join our committee if you have some more useful names to give To end this debate, we stick to Clark being on the list, Linda de Suza for example, despite being Portuguese, would have been qualified for our list as she based her career essentially on french market. I repeat, this is a french speaking deathlist. I suspect we will just keep Clark’s until her demise to piss people like you who don’t understand her impact in France and why she belongs in such a list. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
