Guest One Man Jury Posted March 31, 2005 As a catholic, I pray the good Lord takes this man quickly, and that He annoints a successor able to carry on what PJP did well (reproachment with the Eastern Church, etc) and reject where he erred (married priests, disease control (condoms), sex education, women in clergy) I fear that won't happen, and a schism awaits, with the front half of the church thowing incense burners at the happy-clappies in the cheap seats. Could be fun to watch. I can think of more enjoyable pastimes. Cutting off ones' testicles with a blunt rusty tin can top sounds like more fun than this, although I don't intend to put it to the test! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest One Man Jury Posted March 31, 2005 Unregistered, the catholic church has always been about change. Thoughtful and sometimes excrutiatingly slow, it has addressed many challenges over the centuries. The reformation wasn't just for protestants. What about the Council of Trent? Vatican I and II? That is how it has stayed in ``business''. Don't you remember latin masses? One word: Aggiornamento. Another word - shutuppio! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted March 31, 2005 Unregistered, the catholic church has always been about change. Thoughtful and sometimes excrutiatingly slow, it has addressed many challenges over the centuries. The reformation wasn't just for protestants. What about the Council of Trent? Vatican I and II? That is how it has stayed in ``business''. Don't you remember latin masses? One word: Aggiornamento. Yeah, I'm aware of that and the various encyclicals etc but.... woman in the clergy is one thing that I think will never ever happen, I'm not saying its right but its the way it is, its not preaching male superiority or anything but a priest isn't called 'father' for nothing. Condoms is one controversial issue where I wholeheartedly agree with the Vatican, it is used as a tool to attack the RC church but what I still don't have an answer for is if millions of people are dying of AIDS because they listen to the Rc church about condoms why don't they listen about monogamy and sex within marriage, I smell bullsh1t ! There are married (converted) priests so maybe this could be changed although the reason the clergy have to be celebate in the first place is that the Rc church and one's position in it is determined by their faith and theological abilities but if Priests/Cardinals/Bishops/Popes started having offspring they could be given an unfair promotion in the Rc church, which would make the Rc Church just another corrupt hereditary joke like the monarchy of GB. Sorry for the ling-winded reply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honez 79 Posted March 31, 2005 Unregistered, the catholic church has always been about change. So much so they even change the wording of the bible when they need to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted March 31, 2005 And Hein.... he didn't choose to be Pope, God (or at least the Holy See) choose him, That is a matter of opinion, rather than fact. and resigning is unquestionable as no-one has done that in 600 years. Which doesn't change the fact that he can resign. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted March 31, 2005 Unregistered, the catholic church has always been about change. So much so they even change the wording of the bible when they need to. Honez, well the Pope is infallible, (well thats what we believe what you believe is up to you) so he, as the supreme pontiff can alter the bible which was written by man, not God, thanks. And Hein... technically The Queen can resign her position as head of the Church of England but I don't think she ever would its one of those "for life" things. And the fact "god choose him" may be debateable but whats not debateable is he was chosen to become pope he didn't choose. Thanks for being polite anyway, As I said I'm not a religious hard-liner or anything I just find it quite upsetting seeing an 84 year old guy trying in vain to do what he has in the past for his faith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminator 13 Posted March 31, 2005 Honez, well the Pope is infallible, (well thats what we believe what you believe is up to you) I take it the "we" is you and the voices in your head? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted March 31, 2005 And Hein... technically The Queen can resign her position as head of the Church of England but I don't think she ever would its one of those "for life" things. Her uncle did. And the fact "god choose him" may be debateable but whats not debateable is he was chosen to become pope he didn't choose. Although I don't know the exact rules of Pope elections by the cardinals, I don't expect them to chose an unwilling candidate. I just find it quite upsetting seeing an 84 year old guy trying in vain to do what he has in the past for his faith. It is. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) Infection of the urinary tract, now. No, I'm not going to make a joke about that. Here's the story. regards, Hein Edited March 31, 2005 by Magere Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honez 79 Posted March 31, 2005 Unregistered, the catholic church has always been about change. So much so they even change the wording of the bible when they need to. Honez, well the Pope is infallible, (well thats what we believe what you believe is up to you) so he, as the supreme pontiff can alter the bible which was written by man, not God No wonder he's infallible if he can change the reference book to fit his answers LOL. Sounds incredibly sus to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RIP Posted March 31, 2005 There are rumors that he died.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gadget 17 Posted March 31, 2005 It's about time his sidekicks let him lie down and rest in peace!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy Ronnie 78 Posted March 31, 2005 Pope given last rites Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Yeti 14 Posted March 31, 2005 Pope given last rites Are you watching the same news proggies I am ?! Its official - BBC, ITV & Reuters report Pope has been given last rites. Tick tock. Now what are the odds on the time of death, to the nearest hour ? Bags 4 am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Death List Observer Posted March 31, 2005 Such a sad, sad day. Terri Schiavo has died, the Pope is clearly near death, and, in a further indication that the longtime monarch is dying, Rainier III has given the regency of Monaco to his son, Prince Albert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted March 31, 2005 It's on CNN here in the States as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted March 31, 2005 Are you watching the same news proggies I am ?! Could well be. Now what are the odds on the time of death, to the nearest hour ?Bags 4 am. Mebby they can send up some nicely coloured smoke at that time? regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ShadowMagus Posted March 31, 2005 Such a sad, sad day. Terri Schiavo has died, the Pope is clearly near death, and, in a further indication that the longtime monarch is dying, Rainier III has given the regency of Monaco to his son, Prince Albert. You forgot Mitch Hedberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 42 Posted March 31, 2005 It does not look good for the pope. Vatican source: Pope given last rites Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Yeti 14 Posted March 31, 2005 I think the old guy has still got some wind left in his sails, but I doubt he's got years left, more like months. We have to be realistic here...he still has the tracheotomy tube in, which means it's not coming out anytime soon. The mortality rate for people with tracheotomy tubes is rather high. Most die of some related complication, such as infection, within 6 months to a year after it was put in. ... He's a stubborn old guy. I think he'll make it till Easter Sunday, after that it'll all be over. Prescient ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuber Mirum 125 Posted March 31, 2005 The good news is that if you google "Pope John Paul", Deathlist doesn't come up on the first page. Or on the next page, nor indeed on any of the next 36 pages, after which I stopped looking. So even if His Holiness has as many supporters in Scouseland as Emlyn did, we may possibly be spared the same degree of flaming rants as back then. Incidentally, a google for Emlyn brings up Deathlist on 4th place, nearly 5 months after his untimely demise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Daisy Pusher Posted March 31, 2005 There is a report on cnn that the pope has been given last rites. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IAIN Posted March 31, 2005 Pope John PAUIL has been given the lat rites in the last hour or so and is too ilkl to be moved to hospital.Its increasingly clear that we are in the final hours of his life.News at http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/31/pope1/index.html [Topics merged - RK] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cerberus 302 Posted March 31, 2005 Interesting that he's not being taken to hospital this time. The reason being given is that the trip would be too arduous for him, but it sounds as if they feel nothing more can be done for him. I expect him to be gone by the morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuber Mirum 125 Posted March 31, 2005 Small groups of faithful have gathered at St Peter's Square in Rome to pray for the Pope's speedy recovery. Well, you never know, I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
