M.Lawrenson 11 Posted July 28, 2005 Anyone know why he made the Deathlist in 1987? Sure, he crashed quite a lot in his early career.. It was even said that if a McLaren received an unfortunate impact, the body of the driver would end up amid a shower of carbon dust. Andrea de Cesaris, driving for McLaren, proved the sceptics wrong as he crashed a McLaren more than a dozen times during 1981 and single-handedly proved the case for carbon-composite construction. De Cesaris has never received due credit for this pioneering acheivement ...but he had calmed down considerably by 1987. By the end of his career, he was reliable enough for racing teams to call on him to fill in for drivers otherwise banned or injured. De Cesaris quit racing in 1994, and took a job in the equally thrilling world of currency trading. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Death Watch Beatle 41 Posted July 28, 2005 The early lists seemed quite irratic at times. Someone recently asked why Peter Shilton was included - nobody seems to have an answer. (I wasn't involved way back then, so I can't help). I can only guess that research wasn't what it is today, so a smash or two might have been enough to get de Crashris 365 days of DL fame. DWB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,235 Posted July 28, 2005 The 1987 list had an option of 'any 1 of the beatles' if I'm not mistaken - which is a precedent which hasn't been followed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuber Mirum 126 Posted July 28, 2005 Some previous deathlist speculation on de Crasharis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M.Lawrenson 11 Posted July 28, 2005 Let's see a typical picture of AdC. 1985 Austrian GP : As he told his team boss - "The car died." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted July 28, 2005 The early lists seemed quite irratic at times. Someone recently asked why Peter Shilton was included - nobody seems to have an answer. (I wasn't involved way back then, so I can't help). I can only guess that research wasn't what it is today, so a smash or two might have been enough to get de Crashris 365 days of DL fame. I've been speculating about this. It's obvious that DLCC[1] research improved through time. I'm sure that the introduction of Internet made the difference. Looking up and keeping track of candidates is much easier than by means of magazines, newspapers and libraries. The big question is: does this forum help in picking candidates? [1] DeathList Central Committee regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy Ronnie 78 Posted July 28, 2005 The forum does help, we just need to be sure to sift through all the people who've been suggested. Someone came up with a page of decent suggestions earlier in the year that should definitely be consulted closer to the time. What would be really helpful when people post suggestions is a specific reason why so and so would be a good candidate, above and beyond just their age. Specific reports of recent episodes of infirmity, injury, surgery or general poor health often provide that little bit of insight which can make for a successful nomination. Looking back at an early Death List is rather like reading old copies of Viz - it's a bit randomly thrown together, contains some complete nonsense, and shows far fewer of the corporate-driven, safe, sensible but somewhat boring selections which make up the 2005 list. Plus it was much funnier back then. But MH is right that the web has, like all things, improved not only the research facilities but also communication about potential candidates. That internet. Pretty clever, huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,684 Posted July 28, 2005 Indeed it has, coupled with the matchless combination of wit and mighty intelligence on show in the posts. Never again will we see people already dead on the DL as happened with William Hartnell and Wilfred Bramble. Hell DL is more up to date than the press these days, witness that little gem I unearthed from The Sun TV mag who claimed - 6 days after his death - that Richard Whitely was recovering from pneumonia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,217 Posted April 10, 2006 Firstly, George Lineker is the younges Aye, for nostalgia reasons, I was wondering why AdC was there, but I suppose if you had to choose anyone GP driver, then de Crasheris was a good one. Let's not forget that whilst it is rare today to see F1 drivers killed, but back thenElio de Angelis had died the year before and Stefan Bellof & Manfred Winkelhock in 1985 so I can see the thinking.. One that interested me for its' complete strangeness: Leo Beenhakker, in 1991. All the others I can understand (as Anne Kirkbride was ill etc. - I can't ever remember LB being ill, and in late 1990, he was Ajax manager. Not a particulary dangerous profession... Yes, from 1997 onwards, it really appears more "professional". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,684 Posted April 11, 2006 Beenhakker will be back in our thoughts this summer: coaching Trinidad and Tobago in the World Cup Finals. His hair is all white these days but he seems to be thriving on the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,684 Posted May 31, 2014 De Crasheris is 55 today! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted May 31, 2014 De Crasheris is 55 today! many happy returns.let's face it, there will be .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Flag 84 Posted October 5, 2014 Meanwhile, it seems first year Deathlist candidate Andrea de Cesaris has been killed in a motorcycle accident in Italy: http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2014/10/05/news/gra-97398499/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,272 Posted October 5, 2014 He does indeed appear to be dead. All the motorsport-type people are saying it on Twitter. What a weird day in F1.RIP De Crasheris (that was his nickname in F1, not my joke about the situation) I actually really like the guy, as much as it's possible to like someone who stopped racing two years before you started watching it.Here's one of his greatest "hits" from back in the day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted October 5, 2014 Meanwhile, it seems first year Deathlist candidate Andrea de Cesaris has been killed in a motorcycle accident in Italy: http://roma.repubbli...s/gra-97398499/ No fucking way! That's what my (admittedly weak) understanding of Italian makes of it. And it's the web site of La Repubblica, a respectable paper. If it's true, the news'll hit English language sources soon. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,217 Posted October 5, 2014 I'm absolutely shattered by this. I met him back in 2006 and he was generous with his time and looked so happy with life away from racing - always smiling. Having mentally prepared the worst - hopefully now not happening - with Bianchi, to be hit by this news has completely taken the wind out of me. That said, one of the first things I thought of, bar meeting him, and that race at Belgium in 1991, was the fact he was on Deathlist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted October 5, 2014 Anyone know why he made the Deathlist in 1987? Sure, he crashed quite a lot in his early career.. It was even said that if a McLaren received an unfortunate impact, the body of the driver would end up amid a shower of carbon dust. Andrea de Cesaris, driving for McLaren, proved the sceptics wrong as he crashed a McLaren more than a dozen times during 1981 and single-handedly proved the case for carbon-composite construction. De Cesaris has never received due credit for this pioneering acheivement ...but he had calmed down considerably by 1987. By the end of his career, he was reliable enough for racing teams to call on him to fill in for drivers otherwise banned or injured. De Cesaris quit racing in 1994, and took a job in the equally thrilling world of currency trading. Yeah I mean it's not like he's going to be in a fatal crash now at his age is it ! Edit....oh shit...😐 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted October 5, 2014 If it's true, the news'll hit English language sources soon. Voilà. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest agent of the reaper Posted October 5, 2014 After all deathlist was right that he was to die early as a desult of an accident. It just took a little longer to happen than expected. He was sooo lucky with that accident in the youtube video. That car rolled something like 1080° in the air twice and he walked off like totally unscathed! He was really tempting fate when he continued his motorsport career after that. Btw. rumour has it that Bianchi's condition took a turn for the worse and he might need another emergency surgery to stop bleeding in his brain. Official updates are expected in about 40 mins. http://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/f1/bianchi-pourrait-etre-reopere-838397.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
