Tempus Fugit 214 Posted December 18, 2005 This was the cabinet in 1989: Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister Lord Whitelaw: Deputy Prime Minister and Lord President of the Council Lord Havers: Lord Chancellor John Wakeham: Lord Privy Seal Nigel Lawson: Chancellor of the Exchequer John Major: Chief Secretary to the Treasury Geoffery Howe: Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs Douglas Hurd: Secretary of State for the Home Department John MacGregor: Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food George Younger: Secretary of State for Defence Kenneth Baker: Secretary of State for Education and Science Norman Fowler: Secretary of State for Employment Cecil Parkinson: Secretary of State for Energy Nicholas Ridley: Secretary of State for the Environment John Moore: Secretary of State for Health Kenneth Clarke: Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Tom King: Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Malcolm Rifkind: Secretary of State for Scotland Lord Young of Graffham: Secretary of State for Trade and Industry Paul Channon: Secretary of State for Transport Peter Walker: Secretary of State for Wales Excluding Dennis, there are 26 in the photo, so who are the interlopers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teddy 21 Posted December 18, 2005 This was the cabinet in 1989: Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister Lord Whitelaw: Deputy Prime Minister and Lord President of the Council Lord Havers: Lord Chancellor ... Not sure the list is the cabinet from 1989, as the person far left, front row, is Lord Mackay of Clashfern, who replaced Lord Havers in 1987 and was Lord Chancellor until 1997 when the Tories lost power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grobler 35 Posted December 18, 2005 Can I just say (losing my cherry here...) Maggie was the greatest thing to happen to Britain in many a year . I shall certainly NOT be including her on any of my lists Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Four Horsemen 26 Posted December 18, 2005 I take it when you said "cherry" you meant "marbles"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuber Mirum 125 Posted December 18, 2005 Well, she tended to walk over endless dead bodies to get what she wanted, but those who didn't admire her stalwart defence of the UK's EU budget rebate will probably be thanking Mr Blair at the moment. Horrible woman nonetheless, and not long for this world. I think that picture includes ministers from the whole 1979-89 period. Some of them must be getting a bit wobbly by now. Welcome Mr. Grobler, and thank you for your HDP entry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grobler 35 Posted December 18, 2005 I see Anthony Barber popped it over the weekend......one of Heaths cronies....I do think that elderly politicians are well worth a punt in the ol' game of death . Unbelievable pressure takes its toll . Unlike members of the Royal Family....who live a pampered life...and grow very , very old ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted December 18, 2005 Excluding Dennis, there are 26 in the photo, so who are the interlopers? Josco? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted December 18, 2005 Unlike members of the Royal Family....who live a pampered life...and grow very , very old ! Indeed. We would not have it any other way. Afterall, only the good die young.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted December 19, 2005 Afterall, only the good die young.... I say it goes both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted December 19, 2005 Afterall, only the good die young.... I say it goes both ways. You mean: only the young die good? Could well be. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted December 19, 2005 Afterall, only the good die young.... I say it goes both ways. You mean: only the young die good? Could well be. regards, Hein Well i'm saying that the good die young and the good die old. I'm saying the bad die young and the bad die old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest iain Posted December 19, 2005 I can confirm that 3 people from the 1989 cabinet are dead..Lord Belstead,george Younger and Nicholas Ridley..former m,embers of Thatchers cabinet who are also dead include Keith Joseph,Mark Carlisle,Lord Hailsham,Lord Havers,William Whitelaw,Lord Soames,Angus Maude ,Lady Young and Humphrey Atkins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josco 49 Posted December 19, 2005 Excluding Dennis, there are 26 in the photo, so who are the interlopers? Josco? Sorry ATJ, are you asking my opinion, or did you think I was in that picture. Well, she tended to walk over endless dead bodies to get what she wanted, but those who didn't admire her stalwart defence of the UK's EU budget rebate will probably be thanking Mr Blair at the moment. Horrible woman nonetheless, and not long for this world. Oh dear, we do keep disagreeing on this point, spuddy ol' chum! Possibly the greatest leader seen in the latter half of the last century whose legacy has been squandered by the Bliar/Brown twunts. Sadly will probably pass on very soon and is the only realistic choice on my HeartyPool entry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted December 19, 2005 Excluding Dennis, there are 26 in the photo, so who are the interlopers? Josco? Sorry ATJ, are you asking my opinion, or did you think I was in that picture. Bit of both, old chap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millwall32 114 Posted December 19, 2005 Excluding Dennis, there are 26 in the photo, so who are the interlopers? Josco? Sorry ATJ, are you asking my opinion, or did you think I was in that picture. Well, she tended to walk over endless dead bodies to get what she wanted, but those who didn't admire her stalwart defence of the UK's EU budget rebate will probably be thanking Mr Blair at the moment. Horrible woman nonetheless, and not long for this world. Oh dear, we do keep disagreeing on this point, spuddy ol' chum! Possibly the greatest leader seen in the latter half of the last century whose legacy has been squandered by the Bliar/Brown twunts. Sadly will probably pass on very soon and is the only realistic choice on my HeartyPool entry. Josco has hit upon the most important point in any current discussions of the Leaderene. With only a few weeks to go-Should she be on DL2006? Any thoughts moderators? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted December 19, 2005 I'm not a mod but I'm giving my opinion anyway. I feel that she's not going anywhere any time soon. If she does die in 2006 it will most likely be later on in the year. It seems that too much has been made of her forgetfulness and dizzy spell in the hairdressers. I watched a documentary on her downfall from No.10 last night/ this morning. I felt sorry for her. But then I rememberedher political philosophy (or atleast my interpretation of it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 214 Posted December 19, 2005 Possibly the greatest leader seen in the latter half of the last century Not exactly stiff competion that Maggie's up against, Callaghan, was totally ineffectual, Heath, less said the better, Wilson, started out well, but accomplished little of note, Home, who? Eden, Suez debacle, The only one to come close to giving her a run for her money, would be Macmillan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godot 149 Posted December 19, 2005 Is that greatest British leader? If so, I would agree and might agree if it was extended to the rest of the world. I couldn't stand her but she changed the world and probably for the better. If it wasn't for MT and Reagan Chelsea would probably be fighting it out at the foot of the Premiership. You might think about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuber Mirum 125 Posted December 19, 2005 Well, she tended to walk over endless dead bodies to get what she wanted, but those who didn't admire her stalwart defence of the UK's EU budget rebate will probably be thanking Mr Blair at the moment. Horrible woman nonetheless, and not long for this world. Oh dear, we do keep disagreeing on this point, spuddy ol' chum! Possibly the greatest leader seen in the latter half of the last century whose legacy has been squandered by the Bliar/Brown twunts. Sadly will probably pass on very soon and is the only realistic choice on my HeartyPool entry. Damning with faint praise a bit there aren't you Josco old thing? Let me see.. we have: Clement Attlee Winston Churchill (2nd term; didn't win any wars this time) Anthony Eden (Suez Crisis) Harold McMillan The Earl of Home Harold Wilson (Devalued the Pound, Industrial Disputes) Edward Heath (common agricultural policy) Harold Wilson again (hade to be baled out by the IMF) James Callaghan (Winter of Discontent) Margaret Thatcher (riots, moral bankruptcy, poll tax) John Major (can't think of anything he did) Tony Blair (enough said) My vote is for Attlee or McMillan. Time for a poll? Millwall? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted December 19, 2005 Callaghan, was totally ineffectual, Where is your evidence to this statement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 214 Posted December 19, 2005 Callaghan, was totally ineffectual, Where is your evidence to this statement? I'm near certain that you weren't in Britain for The Winter of Discontent, If you had been, you wouldn't be asking that question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sympathyforthedevil 11 Posted December 19, 2005 Is that greatest British leader? If so, I would agree and might agree if it was extended to the rest of the world. I couldn't stand her but she changed the world and probably for the better. If it wasn't for MT and Reagan Chelsea would probably be fighting it out at the foot of the Premiership. You might think about that. I think you mean this: 1). If MT and Reagan weren't around, the Cold War would never have ended (disputable point). 2). If the Cold War had never ended, the Russian state utilities would never have been sold off. 3). If the Russian state utilities had never been sold off, Roman Abramovich would never have become a billionaire. 4). If Roman Abramovich had never become a billionaire, he could never have bought Chelsea. 5). If Roman Abramovich had never bought Chelsea, they would be a much worse team, probably near the foot of the Premiership. Or maybe I've read way too much into your remark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godot 149 Posted December 19, 2005 That's it precisely, ergo Margaret Thatcher caused Chelsea. She has a lot to answer for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted December 19, 2005 That's it precisely, ergo Margaret Thatcher caused Chelsea. She has a lot to answer for. What about Chelsea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godot 149 Posted December 19, 2005 That's it precisely, ergo Margaret Thatcher caused Chelsea. She has a lot to answer for. What about Chelsea. To think, Margaret Thatcher probably had a greater influence on Chelsea than Chopper Harris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
