The Death Penalty

[Grimmrpm999 3]

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

You got a link for those 'facts'. Yeah, I thought so.

SC

[Grimmrpm999 3]

Hello again Sir Creep. You can't be bothered to find the facts for yourself, so I will put a couple of links in so you can try and find something to rant at me for.

 

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

 

https://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

And now, use your interweb search thing and find the U.S. beurau of justice. A government organisation that will verify the information. Stop being so lazy!

[Magere Hein 1,400]

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

You got a link for those 'facts'. Yeah, I thought so.

 

Hello again Sir Creep. You can't be bothered to find the facts for yourself, so I will put a couple of links in so you can try and find something to rant at me for.

 

Asking for evidence for some claim is always on topic. Providing it is the responsibility of the one making the claim.

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

 

https://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

And now, use your interweb search thing and find the U.S. beurau of justice. A government organisation that will verify the information. Stop being so lazy!

Do you have a link for that?

[Grimmrpm999 3]

OK so I tried to keep it easy for the readers. You know. It's a chat room.

 

http://www.bjs.gov

 

I think you really should put some effort in. It can be very rewarding to learn through ones own actions.

 

 

 

You want call the pedantic police on me?

[Grimmrpm999 3]

:-P

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

You got a link for those 'facts'. Yeah, I thought so.

 

Hello again Sir Creep. You can't be bothered to find the facts for yourself, so I will put a couple of links in so you can try and find something to rant at me for.

 

Asking for evidence for some claim is always on topic. Providing it is the responsibility of the one making the claim.

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

 

https://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

And now, use your interweb search thing and find the U.S. beurau of justice. A government organisation that will verify the information. Stop being so lazy!

Do you have a link for that?

 

Try to keep it cool oh Grimmmm one I'll be inclined to modify my view on the Death Penalty if you don't . But on the statistics you so kindly provided it appears in 2013 1/3 of those executed were Black, but Blacks in 2010 made up around 13% of the population. These are statistics so make of them what you will.

Oh and I just went over 600 posts (yeah me).

[time 8,592]

OK so I tried to keep it easy for the readers. You know. It's a chat room.

 

http://www.bjs.gov

 

I think you really should put some effort in. It can be very rewarding to learn through ones own actions.

 

 

 

You want call the pedantic police on me?

I think you mean the pedantry police.

[Grimmrpm999 3]

Seems the pedant police have visited you!

 

Such attention to detail is admirable.

 

Any way, I think that it's OK to provoke an active response from people. Some of you seem to have made the effort to find and disseminate some information. I am chuffed because I learnt a little more on the subject, thanks.

 

If you look back on my first few posts here, you should see I was not pedantic, I was rather general and non-specific! I got the impression from some nit picker that I was obliged to provide a source for my statemnts. OK

 

:-P

[Phantom 2,533]

Seems the pedant police have visited you!

 

Such attention to detail is admirable.

 

Any way, I think that it's OK to provoke an active response from people. Some of you seem to have made the effort to find and disseminate some information. I am chuffed because I learnt a little more on the subject, thanks.

 

If you look back on my first few posts here, you should see I was not pedantic, I was rather general and non-specific! I got the impression from some nit picker that I was obliged to provide a source for my statemnts. OK

 

:-P

 

I would say if you're making a statement you should ideally back it up with statistics. and also if you're disputing the information.

[Grimmrpm999 3]

On I get it now. Sorry my mistake. I thought It was reasonable to expect if some one was wanting to shoot me down, they would have every thing they need, ready to go! Nah, seems I have to provide the ammo!

 

To use a simple analogy:

 

If a burglar breaks in to my home, I don't expect him to gimme a gun to shot him with.

 

And on a lighter note, If you want to do something that's wrong on so many levels,

try farting in a crowded elevator.

[Phantom 2,533]

On I get it now. Sorry my mistake. I thought It was reasonable to expect if some one was wanting to shoot me down, they would have every thing they need, ready to go! Nah, seems I have to provide the ammo!

 

To use a simple analogy:

 

If a burglar breaks in to my home, I don't expect him to gimme a gun to shot him with.

 

And on a lighter note, If you want to do something that's wrong on so many levels,

try farting in a crowded elevator.

 

Also crime in multi-story car parks.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

A poisoned wedding cake 🎂.

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

 

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

 

You got a link for those 'facts'. Yeah, I thought so.

Hello again Sir Creep. You can't be bothered to find the facts for yourself, so I will put a couple of links in so you can try and find something to rant at me for.

Asking for evidence for some claim is always on topic. Providing it is the responsibility of the one making the claim.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-and-death-penaltyhttps://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty

And now, use your interweb search thing and find the U.S. beurau of justice. A government organisation that will verify the information. Stop being so lazy!

 

Do you have a link for that?

Try to keep it cool oh Grimmmm one I'll be inclined to modify my view on the Death Penalty if you don't . But on the statistics you so kindly provided it appears in 2013 1/3 of those executed were Black, but Blacks in 2010 made up around 13% of the population. These are statistics so make of them what you will.

Oh and I just went over 600 posts (yeah me).

You baboons confusing Death Row with Executions.

SC

[Phantom 2,533]

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

 

 

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

 

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

[Phantom 2,533]

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

 

 

Well those are ones that have justified their crime in their own head.

So we have to ask ourselves, how many are genuinely innocent, and how many think they are.

Are there stats for those that believe they're innocent of the crime for which they're on death row for?

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

 

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

 

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

Well those are ones that have justified their crime in their own head.

So we have to ask ourselves, how many are genuinely innocent, and how many think they are.

Are there stats for those that believe they're innocent of the crime for which they're on death row for?

the stats are for executions were there was doubts of guilt. Like for example many people think troy Davis is innocent because eyewitnesses recanted their testimony stuff like that.

[Phantom 2,533]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

Well those are ones that have justified their crime in their own head.

So we have to ask ourselves, how many are genuinely innocent, and how many think they are.

Are there stats for those that believe they're innocent of the crime for which they're on death row for?

the stats are for executions were there was doubts of guilt. Like for example many people think troy Davis is innocent because eyewitnesses recanted their testimony stuff like that.

 

 

That would need more reading up on. How can we can sure that the statements weren't retracted as a result of intimidation or they may have been coerced into making a statement because the police just wanted a result. We have no idea.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

Well those are ones that have justified their crime in their own head.

So we have to ask ourselves, how many are genuinely innocent, and how many think they are.

Are there stats for those that believe they're innocent of the crime for which they're on death row for?

the stats are for executions were there was doubts of guilt. Like for example many people think troy Davis is innocent because eyewitnesses recanted their testimony stuff like that.

 

 

That would need more reading up on. How can we can sure that the statements weren't retracted as a result of intimidation or they may have been coerced into making a statement because the police just wanted a result. We have no idea.

 

Bottom line on the death penalty - do you want to give Theresa May the power over life and death? (in the US it seems odd to me that people who want a smaller state are happy for it to intercede in the ultimate manner).

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

 

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

Well those are ones that have justified their crime in their own head.

So we have to ask ourselves, how many are genuinely innocent, and how many think they are.

Are there stats for those that believe they're innocent of the crime for which they're on death row for?

the stats are for executions were there was doubts of guilt. Like for example many people think troy Davis is innocent because eyewitnesses recanted their testimony stuff like that.

That would need more reading up on. How can we can sure that the statements weren't retracted as a result of intimidation or they may have been coerced into making a statement because the police just wanted a result. We have no idea.

Bottom line on the death penalty - do you want to give Theresa May the power over life and death? (in the US it seems odd to me that people who want a smaller state are happy for it to intercede in the ultimate manner).

I thought the judges decide this matter.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the majority of executions are carried through against black and Hispanic prisoners. It seems a Caucasian prisoner is much more likely to have a successfull appeal than any from a minority group. Looking at some stats, being 5th in the list after Iran is surely an indication that something is wrong in the U.S.A.

and its been proven that blacks kill white people 8 times more. Besides if you want to stop the system being biased against blacks and Hispanics get rid of mandatory minimums also how much of them were innocent I bet you zero. Btw here's another fun fact death row appeals have freed more innocent people than if they were imprisoned for life.

Here are recent statistcs as of December 9th 2015http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

 

It depends on how you look at it. You can just take the numbers at face value, but then there's also looking at it taking each State in to account.

Also we can ask how many of these cases the person is absolutely guilty, or if they were framed for the crime?

Perhaps they weren't framed, but poorly defended.

Also here's a list of those who were on death row and have been exonerated since 1973

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Out of 157:

Blacks = 81

Whites = 61

Latinos = 12

Orientals = 2

(and I appear to be missing one from the list)

now compare that to the number of supposedly innocent prisoners and you'll see that the death penalty has saved more innocent people than if they were sentanced to life executedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent remember these are supposedly innocent people as in some people think they are innocent.

Well those are ones that have justified their crime in their own head.

So we have to ask ourselves, how many are genuinely innocent, and how many think they are.

Are there stats for those that believe they're innocent of the crime for which they're on death row for?

the stats are for executions were there was doubts of guilt. Like for example many people think troy Davis is innocent because eyewitnesses recanted their testimony stuff like that.

That would need more reading up on. How can we can sure that the statements weren't retracted as a result of intimidation or they may have been coerced into making a statement because the police just wanted a result. We have no idea.

Bottom line on the death penalty - do you want to give Theresa May the power over life and death? (in the US it seems odd to me that people who want a smaller state are happy for it to intercede in the ultimate manner).

I thought the judges decide this matter.

 

Always goes to appeal, ultimately it's the Home Secretary's call. In US it depends whether State or Federal but it's always an elected politician who has final call.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

Here's another Yes vote from Florida.

SC

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20160108/wire/160109709

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

Here's another Yes vote from Florida.

SC

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20160108/wire/160109709

Florida has always been pro death penalty they even have two scheduled Executions https://www.themarshallproject.org/next-to-die/fl