dead Queen Elizabeth II

[Josco 49]

Ooops...I mean ten Prime Ministers...totally forgot Lord Heath!

 

Although not suprising really though!

 

S.

Quite a few of us would like to as well.

[Paul Bearer 6,101]

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the Queen!

 

Isn't this a bit racist, Rebellious Scots to crush?

[Tuber Mirum 125]

Dear Mr. Simon,

 

Without meaning to offend at all mate, you strike me on the whole as being a particularly thick sort of a fellow.

This coupled with your staunch, unquestioning loyalty to the crown leads me to suspect that you may be in some capacity or other a member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces.

 

Nothing wrong with that, of course.

 

 

 

 

[Josco 49]

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the Queen!

 

Isn't this a bit racist, Rebellious Scots to crush?

Not if it's just Labour MPs

[Captain Oates 21]

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the Queen!

 

Isn't this a bit racist, Rebellious Scots to crush?

Not if it's just Labour MPs

Bear in mind, Mr Josco(e) that Wade failed, in the end, to crush the Scots and got himself the sack into the bargain!

 

So we're probably safe....

[Josco 49]

This coupled with your staunch, unquestioning loyalty to the crown leads me to suspect that you may be in some capacity or other a member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces.

 

Nothing wrong with that, of course.

 

 

 

 

I should hope not

 

(24422531 Tpr Josco, QRIH)

[Lady Grendel 139]

Rebellious Scots to crush.

This probably explains why most of us are apathetic towards the monarchy. I can remember the Queen being driven down the main road in Clydebank in 1986, there were no crowds or cheering people as you see in other parts of the country, in fact I was the only person there at the time and that was a coincidence as I was heading to the shops for a bottle of our 'other national drink' which is the best hangover cure known to man!

[Magere Hein 1,400]

Rebellious Scots to crush.

This probably explains why most of us are apathetic towards the monarchy. I can remember the Queen being driven down the main road in Clydebank in 1986, there were no crowds or cheering people as you see in other parts of the country, in fact I was the only person there at the time and that was a coincidence as I was heading to the shops for a bottle of our 'other national drink' which is the best hangover cure known to man!

Grin.

 

I remember Amsterdam, 30 April 1980 well. Fine day, that: coronation for the current Dutch monarch and lovely riots for the Dutch.

(Finally a use for that smiley. It looks pretty much like a balaclava.)

 

Her reign, 25 years now, was boring, disappointingly so after such a promising start. We rarely notice her presence. She's good at her job, in the way of a good football referee, and the current baby boom in the royal family is very effective PR. The Dutch republicans keep a low profile at the moment.

 

Even Prince Bernhard can't cause scandal anymore.

 

BTW, nice Marillion .sig.

 

regards,

Hein

Edited April 17, 2005 by Magere Hein

[Paul Bearer 6,101]

'other national drink'

 

Aahhh yes! God bless the inventors of Irn Bru, Mr & Mrs Barr, who have saved my life on many a sunday morning.

[Simon I 1]

Without meaning to offend at all mate, you strike me on the whole as being a particularly thick sort of a fellow.

This coupled with your staunch, unquestioning loyalty to the crown leads me to suspect that you may be in some capacity or other a member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces.

 

Unfortunately sir I must disappoint you. I am actually extremely intelligent, without meaning to boast. I am currently reading English at University after gaining 5 A's in my A-level exams.

 

However, I extremely dispise intellectual socialism along the lines of Michael Foot and (the most reviled politician) Tony Benn. I feel it is extremely hypocritical. How can someone expect both the trappings of middle class life whilst preaching about helping those who are less gifted. It is a particularly stupid ethos by which to live. I pride myself on being a staunch Thatcherite who, although not old enough to realised the significance of it at the time, believe (through my study of the Rt Hon. Baronness Thatcher of Kesteven in my A-level history course) that the Poll Tax was the greatest thing to come from the 1979-90 govts. It was fair and produced equality for all, rather than penalising the "forgotten majority" of Middle Britain for earning more and having higher paid, professional jobs.

 

I would describe myself a neo-Thatcherite. I have strong sympathies with all of Mrs Thatchers policies and with the strong no-nonsense Reagan administration in the U.S.A. I also have the deepest respect for all great Tory leaders...Churchill, Baldwin and Disraeli to name a few. It is perhaps with this background, with the Conservative tradition of supporting the monarchy that dates back to the reign of King Charles II that I have developed my staunch monarchist views.

 

I am patriotic due to my deep sense of Nationalism and Britishness that I feel we have surrendered to Europe since the end of the Second World War. I despise interference from Europe in our legal system and cannot comprehend how anyone finds it acceptable that a court in Brussels can overturn a decision by our Lords of the Appeal in Ordinary. It is wrong and infringes too much on our sovereignty. I particularly enjoy hearing (as she was then) Mrs Thatcher's comment to a European convention "give me back my money", although they still ripped us off!

 

I am neither part of Her Majesty's Armed Forces, although I applaud all those who are. They are extremely brave and I think that is an exceptionally wise career move for those who do not necesarilly have the grades to progress to University or sixth form College.

 

As for the racist Scottish comment that some have you have picked up on...yes I totally agree. That verse is particularly archaic, racist and propagandist. However do not fear...it is now omitted from the anthem and never sung for that very reason. Nowadays, as you are all aware only the first verse is usually sung and on rare ocassions the second also. The third is also available, although it is very very rarely heard, and the last verses are now totally forgotten and ignored, confined to the history books...and wikipedia lol!

 

Also, in response to the user who pointed out the Civil War, glorious revolution and War of the Roses, I would just like to counter this argument. Firstly, let me just point out that since we first had an ordered system of monarchy and government, officially as of 25th December 1066 these islands have witnessed no foreign invasion. Britain has been well defended and has remained peaceful. Those conflicts you mention are all civil wars. The war of the seventeenth century was not the monarchy's fault. As King Charles I said on the scaffold on

 

I shall begin first with my innocence.  In troth I think it not very needful for me to insist long upon this, for all the world knows that I never did begin a war with the two Houses of Parliament.  And I call God to witness, to whom I must shortly make an account, that I never did intend for to encroach upon their privileges.  They began upon me, it is the Militia they began upon, they confest that the Militia was mine, but they thought it fit for to have it from me.  And, to be short, if any body will look to the dates of Commissions, of their commissions and mine, and likewise to the Declarations, will see clearly that they began these unhappy troubles, not I.

 

The civil war was an evil act purportrated by Oliver Cromwell and not by the Crown. An act for which Cromwell was punished when Charles II became King.

 

As for the other two, I will concede that these were the direct fault of bad ruling by monarchs that caused Civil Unrest. However, the Glorious Revolution was not by any means a long drawn out war; support for William of Orange and Princess Mary being shown throughout most of the country. The fact that most of King James' men defected highlights this.

 

Also, those few episodes during almost 2000 years are minute. Overall I feel that the monarchy is a good thing that has unified the country, kept a check on govt. and been an example for all of us. Who cannot feel inspired when reading Queen Elizabeth I's speech to the troops at Tilbury during the Spanish Armada:

 

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too. And take foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any Prince of Europe should dare to invade the borders of my realm.

 

It is for stirring speeches and acts such as these, as well as for the general criticism that people never stop giving the monarchy- be it King George IV's obituary in The Times or the tabloids in the aftermath of Diana Spencer's death, that I full-heartedly, and glad heartedly support the fundamental institution in our country today.

 

 

Simon

[Simon I 1]

P.S.

 

For any monarchists, or indeed republicans out there...

 

Try this link

 

King James I (VI) on the Divine Right of Kings

 

It is a fascinating transcript of a speech made by King James I on the Divine Right of Kings on the 21st March 1609.

 

Needless to say I fully agree!

 

S.

[lospalmas7 12]

(24422531 Tpr Josco, QRIH)

I am neither part of Her Majesty's Armed Forces, although I applaud all those who are. They are extremely brave and I think that is an exceptionally wise career move for those who do not necesarilly have the grades to progress to University or sixth form College.

 

[Tuber Mirum 125]

[Josco 49]

(24422531 Tpr Josco, QRIH)

I am neither part of Her Majesty's Armed Forces, although I applaud all those who are. They are extremely brave and I think that is an exceptionally wise career move for those who do not necesarilly have the grades to progress to University or sixth form College.

 

I did reach the dizzy heights of Lance Corporal, but was busted for being drunk on parade. In my defense, I had been drinking in 'The Snakepit' at Hohne without pause from Friday evening until 06:00 hrs Monday, and was a little refreshed. Oh happy days!

[Captain Oates 21]

Unfortunately sir I must disappoint you. I am actually extremely intelligent, without meaning to boast. I am currently reading English at University after gaining 5 A's in my A-level exams.

Well....

 

You claim to be extremely intelligent, so may I take it that you realise that, by your statement, you have put yourself right in the firing line? You have written a lot and shown that you know some facts, but I see little evidence of intelligence.

 

Studying English... ? Perhaps you would care to begin by using the edit button and correcting your spelling/typos and syntax/grammar.

 

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too. And take foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any Prince of Europe should dare to invade the borders of my realm.

A very noble speech. (Did she have A-Levels?) But those of us who are alive today are more interested in the Second Queen Elizabeth, a splendid woman who has landed a rotten job and done it to the best of her ability. It is known that she does not share your high opinion of Mrs T!

 

However, I extremely dispise intellectual socialism along the lines of Michael Foot and (the most reviled politician) Tony Benn. I feel it is extremely hypocritical. How can someone expect both the trappings of middle class life whilst preaching about helping those who are less gifted. It is a particularly stupid ethos by which to live. I pride myself on being a staunch Thatcherite who, although not old enough to realised the significance of it at the time, believe (through my study of the Rt Hon. Baronness Thatcher of Kesteven in my A-level history course) that the Poll Tax was the greatest thing to come from the 1979-90 govts. It was fair and produced equality for all, rather than penalising the "forgotten majority" of Middle Britain for earning more and having higher paid, professional jobs.

 

Do you really mean that we should enjoy the benefits of middle class life and do nothing to assist "those who are less gifted"? I hope that you will allow your education to broaden your perspective on life before you do any real damage to society.

 

And here is one to ponder: who wrote your A-level history course?

 

As I re-read your posting I am more and more convinced that there may well be a case for raising the voting age to about 60.

 

[Tuber Mirum 125]

Quite right, Captain. Never trust anyone who tells you they are intelligent.

 

Reminds me a bit of weatherman90, but thankfully less easily provoked.

[Simon I 1]

In response to Captain Oates.....

 

 

1. I am merely responding to the criticism that I was " a bit thick".

 

2. Spelling/typos are easy mistakes to make, especially when one is typing a large piece at speed.

 

3. Anyone with a basic grip of UG English degrees would realise it is one the whole the study of literary genius and criticism, and not one big spelling test.

 

4. I was quoting from history reasons why the institution of the monarchy is great.

 

5. Queen Elizabeth II is even greater than Elizabeth I, as I have already conceded. She is without a shadow of a doubt the greatest monarch ever to reign over is. She is regal, wise, beloved and stands for the tradition of the monarchy that was passed onto her by her grandfather King George V and her grandmother, the indominable Queen Mary.

 

6. There has never been any official evidence to back up the supposedly frosty relationship between Baroness Thatcher and Her Majesty. This will not be known for certain until many years after the Queen's death when her diaries are finally published and we will know for sure. Signs show that the Queen does actually like Mrs Thatcher...when she retired from the House of Commons she was elevated to the Peerage and, more significantly, she is a Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter- a privellage that is the highest order of chivalry in the land and also one that only Her Majesty can give to 24 members. This suggests that actually the Queen did approve. There was no reason for her to have to elevate Mrs Thatcher in this way and rank her along side people such as Lord Edmund Hillary and the (current) Duke of Wellington.

 

7. I believe that we should encourage people to help themselves. We should not tax higher earners as harshly. Nay we should stop people becoming dependent on the state. Read the Conservative's election manifesto, it is enlightening.

 

8. What has the history course got to do with the price of fish? Answer- Nothing. My views are my views. We were told, objectively about the history of Britain and America in the 20th Century. In fact most of the views that we got were socialist, leftist historians, such as the Labour peer Lord Kenneth O. Morgan. I made my own mind up about what I thought. I just happened to believe that the 80s was a zenith in the world's history. Mr Reagan and Mrs Thatcher changed the world. They ended the Soviet bloc's control over Eastern Europe and together made the USA and UK great once more.

 

Anyway...luckily I will be able to vote on May 5th and Mr Howard et al. can count on one more vote in my constituency, not that it would make much difference in Jack Straw's Labour strong hold!

 

 

 

Simon

[Lady Grendel 139]

Who cannot feel inspired when reading Queen Elizabeth I's speech to the troops at Tilbury during the Spanish Armada:

 

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too. And take foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any Prince of Europe should dare to invade the borders of my realm.

 

Me!!!!

[Tuber Mirum 125]

1. I am merely responding to the criticism that I was " a bit thick".

I am very sorry if I gave the impression that I think you are "a bit thick"

 

I think you are very, very thick indeed.

 

best wishes,

[Simon I 1]

LOL

[Lady Grendel 139]

Grin.

 

I remember Amsterdam, 30 April 1980 well. Fine day, that: coronation for the current Dutch monarch and lovely riots for the Dutch.

(Finally a use for that smiley. It looks pretty much like a balaclava.)

 

 

BTW, nice Marillion .sig.

 

regards,

Hein

Riots may happen here if Charley ever gets his mitts on the crown, though I think Brenda will outlive him just to spite him

 

I appreciate the sig. comment, someone else with good taste Hein!, Wasn't sure if anyone would recognise the lyrics!! I thought

my name may have made the connection first!

 

Cheers!

[Lady Grendel 139]

As for the racist Scottish comment that some have you have picked up on...yes I totally agree. That verse is particularly archaic, racist and propagandist. However do not fear...it is now omitted from the anthem and never sung for that very reason.

Right, so that makes it Ok then, it wasn't too long ago that this verse was still allowed and because it has now been 'banned' we should accept the anthem and join in?????!!!!! What planet do you live on Simon, I for one will never support an archaic monarchy which doesn't contribute to society, they swan about the world, first class, spending millions of pounds of our money on unnecessary luxuries, treating us all as 'serfs' who should be honoured to meet them, can't remember the last time I had to take a helicopter to work!!!! Perhaps if they scaled down the luxuries,(remember a bottle of whisky was placed in a dead kings bedroom every night for years, and that was in the 20th century at Buck House) went out to work or had to sign on the dole (I personally would love to see Charley e.t.c. surviving on £87 a week) people would think better of them, they could turn the royal palaces, castles e.t.c. into hotels, can you imagine the amount of money it would generate? American tourists anyone?

 

By all means keep them as figureheads if you want to but update it and bring them into the 21st century, they are running out of time, an outdated mode who have lost the respect of the youth.

 

P.S. Honez, totally agree with everything you have said, hang in there though, it can only be a matter of time before the Australians dump the monarchy at least you may have the choice to do it, we don't

[Josco 49]

I for one will never support an archaic (monarchy)poliitician [snip], they swan about the world, first class, spending millions of pounds of our money on unnecessary luxuries, treating us all as 'serfs' who should be honoured to meet them, can't remember the last time I had to take a helicopter to work!!!! Perhaps if they scaled down the luxuries,[snip] went out to work or had to sign on the dole (I personally would love to see Blair e.t.c. surviving on £87 a week) people would think better of them,

Sorry My Lady, had to alter some of your post so that it made more sense.

[Dr Strangelove 14]

Unfortunately sir I must disappoint you. I am actually extremely intelligent, without meaning to boast. I am currently reading English at University after gaining 5 A's in my A-level exams.

I sincerely hope one of them isn't history

The civil war was an evil act purportrated by Oliver Cromwell and not by the Crown. An act for which Cromwell was punished when Charles II became King.

No Oliver Cromwell had little part in causing the war; he merely came to the fore during it.

As Charles II didn't become King until after Cromwell's death, it's hard to see what 'punishment' he suffered.

The civil war came about by Charles' quixotic policies.

[Guest One Man Jury]

Unfortunately sir I must disappoint you. I am actually extremely intelligent, without meaning to boast.

You forgot to say that you are also extremely modest!!

 

Anyway, I beg to differ. Maybe Simple Simon is a more appropriate name for you.