Who Will Be The Next Us President ?

[honez 79]

It's Democrat party-time...

 

[CarolAnn 926]

One of the joys of being raised in a politically aware and motivated household is that you get in the habit of watching the conventions.

 

My 17 year old son and I are watching the Republican Convention and we did watch the Democratic Convention. We have come to a couple of conclusions:

 

1. Grown Repubs and Dems are equally guilty of standing behind the CNN commentators and mugging for the camera. They're all drinking the same stuff, apparently.

2. The men seem to wear the opposite color ties but the women wear appropriately colored suits. For example, Bush is wearing a blue tie but Laura wore a flaming red suit.

3. There is a distinct spread in the median age on the floor. The Dems are all 12 and the Repubs are all 90.

4. George Bush will never pass an opportunity to blow his own horn and Obama will never pass up the opportunity to quote Bob the Builder.

5. Republicans shouldn't try to tell jokes.

6. Democrats shouldn't try to tell jokes.

 

Finally, despite the fact that I am an independent and will never be at either convention, I have to say that it always seems like the Democrats have more fun.

[CE Live 0]

Former Senator Fred Thompson described Barack Obama as being untested and unprepared. Thompson said earlier tonight "History making in that he is the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee to ever run for president.

 

Thompson has battled Hodgkins Lymphoma for several years. It has been said that it will not affect his life expectancy.

[honez 79]

Former Senator Fred Thompson described Barack Obama as being untested and unprepared. Thompson said earlier tonight "History making in that he is the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee to ever run for president.

 

Thompson has battled Hodgkins Lymphoma for several years. It has been said that it will not affect his life expectancy.

Shock news just in: A Republican voices his opinion that the Democrat nominee isn't much chop.

Long will we remember this dark day as the US domestic political landscape is changed forever. I just hope this doesn't touch off a wave of copycat negative political statements around the world, spiraling us ever downwards to the ultimate collapse of civilisation as we know it.

[Terminator 13]

One of the joys of being raised in a politically aware and motivated household...........My 17 year old son and I are watching the Republican Convention and we did watch the Democratic Convention.

 

I can only envisage a VERY TINY minority of 17 year olds in the UK, sitting down with their mums to watch political salesmanship. It says much for you.

[themaninblack 2,112]

Just been doing some vetting of the Deathlist forum archives and found this link to a story on Senator John McCain.

 

Very interesting....

 

McCain's sun-fried chips

[Windsor 2,233]

Very interesting.

 

I can remember that there was a lot of talk about McCain and cancer during the early stages of the Republican Primaries. He is prone to cancer?

 

Now - if Mr. McCain were to pop his clogs in mid-term, what the hell would the world do with his VP - the pitbull with lipstick? Given the concerns about his age and the increased possibility of his death in office, surely selecting Palin as his runningmate wasn't the best idea? I'm not sure how she is being recieved in the US, but over here we get the impression that everyone in America is now a Republican.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Palin selection will backfire. She is bound to trip over her mouth at some point. As they said on the panel shows - she makes George W. Bush look like an enlightened progressive!

[CarolAnn 926]

Very interesting.

 

I can remember that there was a lot of talk about McCain and cancer during the early stages of the Republican Primaries. He is prone to cancer?

 

Now - if Mr. McCain were to pop his clogs in mid-term, what the hell would the world do with his VP - the pitbull with lipstick? Given the concerns about his age and the increased possibility of his death in office, surely selecting Palin as his runningmate wasn't the best idea? I'm not sure how she is being recieved in the US, but over here we get the impression that everyone in America is now a Republican.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Palin selection will backfire. She is bound to trip over her mouth at some point. As they said on the panel shows - she makes George W. Bush look like an enlightened progressive!

 

McCain has had skin cancer in the past.

 

People are interested in Palin in the sense that she's an unknown - but the more time goes by the more of a fool she looks. Of course, the right wing still thinks her a darling, but since they are single issue voters that's not surprising.

 

If she can't take on Charles Gibson she's going to get chewed up and spit out by Joe Biden. I'm going to sit on my independent ass and watch the whole circus with incredible glee.

 

If everyone in America is a Republican it's news to my husband and my mother and my manager and my brother and my assistant and my neighbor...

[Windsor 2,233]

Very interesting.

 

I can remember that there was a lot of talk about McCain and cancer during the early stages of the Republican Primaries. He is prone to cancer?

 

Now - if Mr. McCain were to pop his clogs in mid-term, what the hell would the world do with his VP - the pitbull with lipstick? Given the concerns about his age and the increased possibility of his death in office, surely selecting Palin as his runningmate wasn't the best idea? I'm not sure how she is being recieved in the US, but over here we get the impression that everyone in America is now a Republican.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Palin selection will backfire. She is bound to trip over her mouth at some point. As they said on the panel shows - she makes George W. Bush look like an enlightened progressive!

 

McCain has had skin cancer in the past.

 

People are interested in Palin in the sense that she's an unknown - but the more time goes by the more of a fool she looks. Of course, the right wing still thinks her a darling, but since they are single issue voters that's not surprising.

 

If she can't take on Charles Gibson she's going to get chewed up and spit out by Joe Biden. I'm going to sit on my independent ass and watch the whole circus with incredible glee.

 

If everyone in America is a Republican it's news to my husband and my mother and my manager and my brother and my assistant and my neighbor...

 

Good to hear.

They have been featuring some campaign adds on the election coverage over here (you would think we had a vote with all the coverage we have). The adds seem pretty brutal compared to the usual British Election ads. I can see why people may become fed up of the who'll thing. They seem pretty patronising and really petty - like the pig in lipstick add. What was the point in that?

[The Miser 18]

If everyone in America is a Republican it's news to my husband and my mother and my manager and my brother and my assistant and my neighbor...

 

Who do you think votes for them then? Confused democrats and independents?

[Madame Defarge 21]

Actually, according to this article 36% of the eligible population didn't vote at all, and the highest percentage of voters in 2004, over 73%, were between the ages of 65 and 74.

 

So the Republicans may win another election, and we could easily end up with our very own little Maggie Thatcher.

[CarolAnn 926]

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If everyone in America is a Republican it's news to my husband and my mother and my manager and my brother and my assistant and my neighbor...

 

 

Who do you think votes for them then? Confused democrats and independents?

 

Who votes for Republicans? My brother, my sister, some cousins, the gal in the next cubicle at work......

 

MD is correct. Most office holders in the US are elected through apathy.

 

As far as campaign ads go, Windsor, they can get pretty petty and brutal, but the Congressional and Gubernatorial ads in Texas are always worse than the Presidential ones. You gotta be pretty thick skinned to run for office here, but I suspect it's not much better other places.

[Windsor 2,233]

Actually, according to this article 36% of the eligible population didn't vote at all, and the highest percentage of voters in 2004, over 73%, were between the ages of 65 and 74.

 

So the Republicans may win another election, and we could easily end up with our very own little Maggie Thatcher.

 

That is assuming that the Obama effect doesn't last. At the start of the Democrat contest, he was supposed to be attracting young voters to his campaign. More importantly, they were not all die hard Dems - they were new voters. So if he can hold on to them in the key states, he might just pull it off.

 

I am, however, skeptical. I've said from day one that the Dems did themselves no favours in putting forward either a black man or a woman for the presidency. There are some in America, and indeed many other countries, who would not vote for either of them due to their race and sex.

[Madame Defarge 21]

I am, however, skeptical. I've said from day one that the Dems did themselves no favours in putting forward either a black man or a woman for the presidency. There are some in America, and indeed many other countries, who would not vote for either of them due to their race and sex.

I agree, I said that too. Ironically, that same group of voters is going to have to choose between race and gender anyway, because as you mentioned , McCain is old and not in the best of health and Sarah Palin could be the first woman president.

But if the economy continues to tank, and enough of the new voters actually vote, then I think Obama may have a slight chance.

 

BTW if you think the campaign is brutal now, just wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

[CarolAnn 926]

BTW if you think the campaign is brutal now, just wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

 

Most definitely. Biden has not yet begun to steamroll. 10/2 should be very, very interesting.

[Windsor 2,233]

I'm watching the Presidential debate right now.

 

To be quite honest I am disappointed as they both, in my opinion, performed poorly.

Out of the pair of them, I think that McCain came out on top. Obama didn't have the substance needed to debate against McCain's knowlegde.

Having said that, McCain told the same joke twice. Senile decay?

[Madame Defarge 21]

Having said that, McCain told the same joke twice. Senile decay?

He mentioned Ronald Reagan twice too, which is sort of a joke. ( Maybe more than twice ,I tuned in a few minutes late. ) You could really sense the confidence in Bacca when he was speaking about the economy and the energy crisis, and of course Macca's comfort levels seemed to rise when he was holding forth about foreign policy issues.

[honez 79]

Macca's comfort levels seemed to rise when he was holding forth about foreign policy issues.

...because the current Presidency is doing such a fine job with foreign policy? Jeez, there really is no hope with those lunatics in charge.

[Madame Defarge 21]

Macca gets downright misty eyed when he talks about" the surge", and he mentioned it at every opportunity. Of course the surge in Iraq was a complete success.......that is, if you're talking about the million or so Iraqi refugees who've surged out of Iraq since the invasion.

[CarolAnn 926]

Macca gets downright misty eyed when he talks about" the surge", and he mentioned it at every opportunity. Of course the surge in Iraq was a complete success.......that is, if you're talking about the million or so Iraqi refugees who've surged out of Iraq since the invasion.

Well, you know, you can surge both ways.

[themaninblack 2,112]

I thought McCain had the best of the debate, particularly on foreign affairs. I was surprisingly impressed by him.

 

Both were very subdued when it came to the economy. I think the current crisis may play into Obama's hands

as the electorate will be thinking of their purses and less about conflicts abroad.

'It's the Economy, stupid' which won it for Slick Willy in 1992 and it may well do for Obama in 2008...

 

The VP debate should be interesting too, to see how Palin matches up to a grilling from Biden...

[CarolAnn 926]

The VP debate should be interesting too, to see how Palin matches up to a grilling from Biden...

 

If her comments on Russia are any indication it's gonna be a massacre.

 

I'm planning my entire week next week around the VP debate.

[maryportfuncity 10,639]

JM probably won a tight points decision but he really needed a knockout. I'm not sure SP vs JB is exactly fair, her 'experience' could be put to the test, terminally. And if it is, JM's judgement is also left in doubt.

 

Not that I'm a betting man, but President Obama still strikes me as the likliest outcome.

[Windsor 2,233]

The VP debate should be interesting too, to see how Palin matches up to a grilling from Biden...

 

If her comments on Russia are any indication it's gonna be a massacre.

 

I'm planning my entire week next week around the VP debate.

 

I have a feeling that debate will be painful to watch. McCain may as well have chosen a Miss America candidate for his VP - or Paris Hilton.

 

I was surprised to hear today that Obama was deemed to have 'won' the battle for American minds in last nights debate. McCain seemed to be ticking boxes of voting groups he wanted to capture. He obviously did much to get the hard Republican vote by his criticism of Obama's public spending plans, as well as making him seem overly liberal. He also tried to snatch the powerful Jewish lobby by claiming that, theoretically, Obama must respect the Iranian angle on Israel. At one point he mentioned the holocaust, did he not?

[Madame Defarge 21]

The VP debate should be interesting too, to see how Palin matches up to a grilling from Biden...

 

If her comments on Russia are any indication it's gonna be a massacre.

 

I'm planning my entire week next week around the VP debate.

 

I have a feeling that debate will be painful to watch. McCain may as well have chosen a Miss America candidate for his VP - or Paris Hilton.

 

I was surprised to hear today that Obama was deemed to have 'won' the battle for American minds in last nights debate. McCain seemed to be ticking boxes of voting groups he wanted to capture. He obviously did much to get the hard Republican vote by his criticism of Obama's public spending plans, as well as making him seem overly liberal. He also tried to snatch the powerful Jewish lobby by claiming that, theoretically, Obama must respect the Iranian angle on Israel. At one point he mentioned the holocaust, did he not?

 

The VP debate could turn out to be quite a spectacle:

Hopefully there will be some specialised equipment on hand to deal with a recurrent medical condition shared by both candidates.