Aristocrats

[Ulitzer95 13,212]

32 minutes ago, Gisooo said:

Colin Renfrew, Baron Renfrew of Kaimsthorn FBA, FSA (Wiki), Former Member of the House of Lords dead at 87

 

Also a archaeologist, paleolinguist and Conservative peer noted for his work on radiocarbon dating, the prehistory of languages, archaeogenetics, neuroarchaeology, and the prevention of looting at archaeological sites.

 

Wrong thread.

 

He was a life peer, not a hereditary peer, so not an aristocrat.

 

Not really a politician either though (despite being a member of the Conservative Party) so academics thread would’ve been best suited.

[Gisooo 3,740]

41 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Wrong thread.

 

He was a life peer, not a hereditary peer, so not an aristocrat.

 

Not really a politician either though (despite being a member of the Conservative Party) so academics thread would’ve been best suited.

 

I'm sorry. I'm not familiar enough with British aristocratic figures.

[YoungWillz 21,727]

24 minutes ago, Gisooo said:

 

I'm sorry. I'm not familiar enough with British aristocratic figures.

 

On 29/08/2023 at 15:06, YoungWillz said:

Not for this thread anyway.

 

For our non-native readers (and indeed some of our native readers) apply the Floella Benjamin test. What were they before they reached the Lords?

 

A businessperson elevated to the Lords? Businesspersons thread.

 

A TV presenter elevated to the Lords? Presenters thread.

 

A composer or musician elevated to the Lords? Take your pick, plenty of threads out there.

 

Union leader elevated to the Lords? Union People thread.

 

None of these people above go in the Political Frailty thread either. Unless they were a political advisor, a local Council leader, etc etc, these folk are not politicians in the sense of the word - the Lords is not strictly a law making body.

 

Generally for here you are looking for folk in hereditary positions, Papa or Grandpapa or Great Grandpapa-papa was a holder of a title which they have inherited. Maybe even their spouses or siblings might squeeze in. And the vast majority of these folk do not currently sit in the Lords.

 

There's your crib sheet.

Just bringing this to the fore again.

 

See the highlighted bit and life becomes so much easier. 

[The Old Crem 3,801]

Through sometimes those who are made peers for non politician reasons end up serving as a minster/shadow minister/ frontbench spokesperson and become a politician. 

[Ulitzer95 13,212]

4 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Through sometimes those who are made peers for non politician reasons end up serving as a minster/shadow minister/ frontbench spokesperson and become a politician. 

Yeah, don’t complicate it further for the non-Brits on here TOC.

[YoungWillz 21,727]

2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Through sometimes those who are made peers for non politician reasons end up serving as a minster/shadow minister/ frontbench spokesperson and become a politician. 

There will always be the Michael Ancrams, the Michael Howards, etc etc. But they were from aristocratic families already.

 

But I'm not sure who you have in mind, so if you could give me a couple of names, that would be lovely. (They still wouldn't be aristos though!).

[The Old Crem 3,801]

4 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

There will always be the Michael Ancrams, the Michael Howards, etc etc. But they were from aristocratic families already.

 

But I'm not sure who you have in mind, so if you could give me a couple of names, that would be lovely. (They still wouldn't be aristos though!).

I don’t mean someone aristocratic but someone like Lord Timpson. Businessman turned Life Peer and government minster. 

[YoungWillz 21,727]

2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

I don’t mean someone aristocratic but someone like Lord Timpson. Businessman turned Life Peer and government minster. 

Yes, this guy could go in the Businesspersons thread (my preference) or the political frailty thread (for those who insist upon it).

 

But not here! As you correctly understand. 

[YoungWillz 21,727]

Death notice for Sir Richard Carew Pole, 13th Baronet who died aged 85, just one day before his birthday: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/carew-pole-notices_59972

 

His widow Mary is a Lady in Waiting to Princess Anne.

 

Heir apparent is his eldest son Tremayne John (b. 1974)

[Thatcher 2,789]

Lord Edward Somerset, younger brother of the Duke of Beaufort, reportedly dead aged 66. 
 

He had legal issues and addiction problems, documented back in 2014 when he was jailed for domestic abuse (BBC).

[Gisooo 3,740]

Wittekind, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (Wiki) dead at 88

 

He has been the head of the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont since 1967.

 

[prussianblue 1,141]

30 minutes ago, Gisooo said:

Wittekind, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (Wiki) dead at 88

 

He has been the head of the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont since 1967.

 

 

Yikes, his father was an SS general imprisoned for war crimes and his godparents included Hitler and Himmler.

[Ulitzer95 13,212]

Patrick Conolly-Carew, 7th Baron Carew (wiki) dead at 86.

Irish hereditary peer. Member of the House of Lords from 1994 to 1999, sitting as a crossbencher.

Also an Olympic equestrian, competing at the 1972 Games.

Death notice.

[gcreptile 11,417]

My perennial deadpooling pick Henry Mountcharles gives an update - finally, after he stopped blogging in January:

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/slane-castles-lord-henry-mountcharles-reveals-he-was-near-death-with-lung-cancer/a1451713812.html

 

After being near death at one time, he now is on a drug that works, but he still occasionally gets infections.

[The Old Crem 3,801]

On 04/12/2024 at 00:19, YoungWillz said:

Death notice for Sir Richard Carew Pole, 13th Baronet who died aged 85, just one day before his birthday: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/carew-pole-notices_59972

 

His widow Mary is a Lady in Waiting to Princess Anne.

 

Heir apparent is his eldest son Tremayne John (b. 1974)

Gets a full Telegraph obituary. 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/12/26/sir-richard-carew-pole-cornwall-antony-royal-horticultural/

 

[YoungWillz 21,727]

On 09/12/2018 at 02:48, Ulitzer95 said:

1919: George Boscawen, 9^th Viscount Falmouth Died 07 Mar 2022 (102)
1920: Nathaniel Fiennes, 21^st Baron Saye and Sele Died 20 Jan 2024 (103)
Mar 1921: Elizabeth Sutherland, 24^th Countess of Sutherland Died 09 Dec 2019 (98)
Jun 1921: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh Died 09 Apr 2021 (99)
Feb 1924: Andrew Bruce, 11^th Earl of Elgin
May 1924: Malcolm Greenhill, 3^rd Baron Greenhill Died 13 Jan 2020 (95)
Jul 1924: John Dodson, 3^rd Baron Monk Bretton Died 26 May 2022 (97)
Sep 1924: Edmund Ironside, 2^nd Baron Ironside Died 13 Jan 2020 (95)
1925: John Christopher Loder, 3^rd Baron Wakehurst Died 29 Jul 2022 (96)
02 Mar 1926: Richard Dickinson, 2^nd Baron Dickinson Died 28 Nov 2019 (93)
31 Mar 1926: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8^th Marquess of Ailesbury Died 12 May 2024 (98)
May 1926: David Ogilvy, 13^th Earl of Airlie Died 26 Jun 2023 (97)
16 Dec 1926: Robert Yerburgh, 2^nd Baron Alvingham Died 29 Mar 2020 (93)
27 Dec 1926: Michael Holland-Hibbert, 6^th Viscount Knutsford

Only wrote this to 1926 but these are the oldest living hereditary peers to have lost their seats in the House of Lords after the 1999 reforms. One or two will be familiar but largely a Who's Who of "Who?". 

Anyway, DDP gold as they'll all obit, and all turning 93+ next year.

Michael Holland-Hibbert, 6th Viscount Knutsford Death Notice: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/knutsford-notices_60539

[Ulitzer95 13,212]

13 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Michael Holland-Hibbert, 6th Viscount Knutsford Death Notice: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/knutsford-notices_60539

Thanks.

From the list you quoted I've updated it to include Baron Walsingham (born 1925) who is still alive. Somehow I missed him when I compiled it.

Both the Earl of Elgin and Baron Walsingham are World War II veterans. The Viscount Knutsford wasn't, despite being old enough to serve.