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4 hours ago, alt obits guy said:

Sorry to disappoint you Joey Russ.   Perhaps a duet with Manikan, if nobody has him besides us?

 

It’s a trio. You’ll never guess who the third person was...

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33 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

It’s a trio. You’ll never guess who the third person was...

Yes, I just read the notification e-mail.  Doesn't surprise me.  Well, the game is on. 

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2 minutes ago, alt obits guy said:

Yes, I just read the notification e-mail.  Doesn't surprise me.  Well, the game is on. 

Yeah, I was kind of expecting him to have him too once you mentioned that Manikan was on your team as well. So we’re all joint second at the moment (the person who’s currently first was the one who soloed with Jerry Van Dyke), but it’s only early days right now...

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7 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

Yeah, I was kind of expecting him to have him too once you mentioned that Manikan was on your team as well. So we’re all joint second at the moment (the person who’s currently first was the one who soloed with Jerry Van Dyke), but it’s only early days right now...

Yes, it is.  What I've noticed is that some people tend to play old Hollywood and better known names.  Anyone who does can benefit from an early death, like a Jerry Van Dyke.  In time, it's those who've made the effort to put people on their list that've been diagnosed with a serious illness who emerge as pool leaders.   

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49 minutes ago, alt obits guy said:

Yes, it is.  What I've noticed is that some people tend to play old Hollywood and better known names.  Anyone who does can benefit from an early death, like a Jerry Van Dyke.  In time, it's those who've made the effort to put people on their list that've been diagnosed with a serious illness who emerge as pool leaders.   

That's true of any dead pool nowadays. Imo, there are three main types of dead poolers in almost any pool. The first type is the casual type, which are people who just put in old actors or people they really want to die (with the latter being something I'm not a fan of at all). They tend to score low, but they don't really care if they lose or not cause they're just doing it for fun. The second type of dead poolers, which I think is a little absent in alt obits since they don't reveal any names until they're hits, are the ones that mix in picks that casual players choose along with some public ill names that received lots of coverage. They tend to score within the middle of the dead pooling table. Picks that I think the second type might pick this year include John McCain, Olivia Newton-John, Linda Nolan, and Leah Bracknell. Maybe Stefan Karl, Liam Miller, or Greg Gilbert, but that's about it. Then the third type are the competitors who try for gold. Those are the ones who do a lot of research for ill picks in order to pick out names in order to try and win gold, and they try to pick younger folk for the DDP in order to gain more points. It is this type of dead pooler that will almost always win any competition nowadays due to how the art of dead pooling evolve. It's just seeing which of the researchers in dead pooling that would win...

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3 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

 they don't really care if they lose or not cause they're just doing it as a hobby.

 

I think anybody who's not just doing it as a hobby needs to have a word with themselves.  :unsure:

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4 minutes ago, Toast said:

 

I think anybody who's not just doing it as a hobby needs to have a word with themselves.  :unsure:

Clearly phrased that wrong, but I’m not sure how else to word it. Maybe you can help me word it better...

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5 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

Clearly phrased that wrong, but I’m not sure how else to word it. Maybe you can help me word it better...

Oh wait, I think I know how. Sorry for anyone who thought that I meant that researchers don’t do it as a hobby. :unsure:

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The 'casual type' of contestant are people who probably only think about deadpooling once or twice a year.

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2 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

That's true of any dead pool nowadays. Imo, there are three main types of dead poolers in almost any pool. The first type is the casual type, which are people who just put in old actors or people they really want to die (with the latter being something I'm not a fan of at all). They tend to score low, but they don't really care if they lose or not cause they're just doing it for fun. The second type of dead poolers, which I think is a little absent in alt obits since they don't reveal any names until they're hits, are the ones that mix in picks that casual players choose along with some public ill names that received lots of coverage. They tend to score within the middle of the dead pooling table. Picks that I think the second type might pick this year include John McCain, Olivia Newton-John, Linda Nolan, and Leah Bracknell. Maybe Stefan Karl, Liam Miller, or Greg Gilbert, but that's about it. Then the third type are the competitors who try for gold. Those are the ones who do a lot of research for ill picks in order to pick out names in order to try and win gold, and they try to pick younger folk for the DDP in order to gain more points. It is this type of dead pooler that will almost always win any competition nowadays due to how the art of dead pooling evolve. It's just seeing which of the researchers in dead pooling that would win...

The AO Deadpool has one person who only picks despots.  They may get a couple of hits a year but I guess their conscience is clear with their selections.  Otherwise, yes, many people only pick old actors and other elderly sorts while a select few tend to mostly include people who've received a serious diagnosis.  Some probably do throw a couple of better-known personalities.  All the names you mentioned above are familiar to me and were considered for my 2018 list. Within the second group, there are those who make the extra effort to find the hidden ailing.  I've seen many hits for people who I'd never heard and who I didn't come across in my preparations...and I do make the effort.  These forums are both a blessing and a curse in that they can offer up good suggestions while lessening the likelihood of solos, as I found out in 2017.   I'm cool with the lists not being revealed.  I see that's the exception, not the rule, as far as deadpools go.          

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5 hours ago, Toast said:

I still don't understand their problem with Marieke Vervoort.  They exclude (and I quote)

 

* People who are only noteworthy for their cause of (impending) death. Read: no cancer-bloggers, no local weathermen with brain tumors, no Paralympians with degenerative muscle diseases, etc

 

But MV is not "only noteworthy for (her) cause of (impending) death".  Or do they not consider gold medal winning Paralympians "noteworthy"? 

Surely they are no less worthy than their Olympian equivalents?  If she hadn't won anything, I'd understand why she's not accepted.  But she has.

Inherently, I've found there's a certain amount of subjectivity with the decisions as to who hits the acceptance threshold for the AO Deadpool.  I guess it's unavoidable.  There is an argument to be made for Vervoort because she was a gold medal Paralympian but, given the distinctly lesser popularity of the Paralympics vs the Olympics, it was decided she didn't meet that threshold.  Even being an Olympian is actually no guarantee.  One of the 2018 picks I submitted and that was rejected, Ian Lariba, was an Olympic table tennis player from the Philippines.  She was at the 2016 games.  Just not famous enough.   

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Well, obviously the likelihood of solos will decrease especially starting next year cause I suspect more forumites will participate in this next year. As for potential solos from my own team, here's what I think the likelihood is from picks not chosen by anyone else that publicly stated their teams (as well as some thoughts on their current health for some of them):

  1. John Cocks - I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's a solo. There might be a chance because his case goes a while back, but I doubt it since research is something I presume some people do all year round. 
  2. Tim Curley - Might be a solo. Probably a fraud though, so it probably doesn't matter anyways with him.
  3. Fu Da-Ren - I do hope he's a solo, but of course, I'm not 100 percent certain on that.
  4. Christy Dignam - No chance. Probably too much of an overexagerator anyways, though he did say his most recent album would be his final one. 
  5. Oliver Dragojevic - I'll be pleased if this cultural icon from another country that usually isn't mentioned a lot is a solo. Currently doing well against cancer, but there's always the chance of relapse
  6. Stuart Fraser - I don't expect him to be a solo, but will be pleased if he turns out to be a solo. Interesting name as well
  7. Steffan Lewis - Well, it didn't go through for msc but it did for me, so I'm confused over his solo chance. Though if gcreptile is right about him not going through as a blessing in disguise, it would have been a wasted pick. 
  8. Nobuhiko Obayashi - Very interesting name. He might be a solo, though I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a solo.
  9. Tommy Raudonikis - No chance imo. I suspect a few other people picked him since he was easy to find.
  10. Holly Rowe - I think it's likely, but once again, no guarantee. Doing alright in her battle with cancer as well, but that probably means nothing this early on.
  11. Mark E Smith - No chance. I suspect he'll be picked on 4 - 5 teams.
  12. David Thomas - A bit undergroundish, so it could be likely. Once again, no guarantee.
  13. Rose West - No chance. Probably a fraud as well, though I wouldn't be mad if she's a hit.

 

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21 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

Well, obviously the likelihood of solos will decrease especially starting next year cause I suspect more forumites will participate in this next year. As for potential solos from my own team, here's what I think the likelihood is from picks not chosen by anyone else that publicly stated their teams (as well as some thoughts on their current health for some of them):

  1. John Cocks - I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's a solo. There might be a chance because his case goes a while back, but I doubt it since research is something I presume some people do all year round. 
  2. Tim Curley - Might be a solo. Probably a fraud though, so it probably doesn't matter anyways with him.
  3. Fu Da-Ren - I do hope he's a solo, but of course, I'm not 100 percent certain on that.
  4. Christy Dignam - No chance. Probably too much of an overexagerator anyways, though he did say his most recent album would be his final one. 
  5. Oliver Dragojevic - I'll be pleased if this cultural icon from another country that usually isn't mentioned a lot is a solo. Currently doing well against cancer, but there's always the chance of relapse
  6. Stuart Fraser - I don't expect him to be a solo, but will be pleased if he turns out to be a solo. Interesting name as well
  7. Steffan Lewis - Well, it didn't go through for msc but it did for me, so I'm confused over his solo chance. Though if gcreptile is right about him not going through as a blessing in disguise, it would have been a wasted pick. 
  8. Nobuhiko Obayashi - Very interesting name. He might be a solo, though I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a solo.
  9. Tommy Raudonikis - No chance imo. I suspect a few other people picked him since he was easy to find.
  10. Holly Rowe - I think it's likely, but once again, no guarantee. Doing alright in her battle with cancer as well, but that probably means nothing this early on.
  11. Mark E Smith - No chance. I suspect he'll be picked on 4 - 5 teams.
  12. David Thomas - A bit undergroundish, so it could be likely. Once again, no guarantee.
  13. Rose West - No chance. Probably a fraud as well, though I wouldn't be mad if she's a hit.

In this case, many of these names are familiar to me, but a few were off my radar.  I will say at least one made my final list, a carryover from last year.  Others...maybe, maybe not.  B)  As for my own possibility of solos, one is Canadian and just not much in the news.  Another will likely require a foreign language obituary.  Most of the rest on my list have probably been selected by a few people, but there may be a couple who slipped in unnoticed.  Suffice it to say, John McCain will not score any bonus points.

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I actually didn't pick McCain for that reason. I thought the five points with no bonus chance wasn't worth it. I wanted to try and aim for higher points, so that was goodbye to McCain, Rae, and a few others. I also didn't pick anyone over 90 cause I didn't want to risk getting only 2 points even if they had bonus potential, so that was goodbye to T Boone Pickens. As for the potential carryover, I think I can pare it down to two names, but I'll leave it at that...

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6 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

I actually didn't pick McCain for that reason. I thought the five points with no bonus chance wasn't worth it. I wanted to try and aim for higher points, so that was goodbye to McCain, Rae, and a few others. I also didn't pick anyone over 90 cause I didn't want to risk getting only 2 points even if they had bonus potential, so that was goodbye to T Boone Pickens. As for the potential carryover, I think I can pare it down to two names, but I'll leave it at that...

Understandable.  My oldest in the 2018 pool is 89 and I do tend to avoid nonagenarians & centenarians.  Before superlatives (oldest, tallest, etc.) were disqualified as picks, I'd frequently choose the oldest living person at the time. Gave me a solo at the beginning of one year, where I led the Deadpool with 1 point (no bonus points for supercentenarians then) for a couple of days.    I made an exception last year for Mario Soares, given his comatose state.  

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Any chance you chose Kevin Carr? I knew about him but his articles looked way too FFBI-esque, so I didn’t want to risk him...

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17 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

Any chance you chose Kevin Carr? I knew about him but his articles looked way too FFBI-esque, so I didn’t want to risk him...

No, I don't have him.  Can't say he came across my research last year.

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Alright, I'm sure a lot of people are planning on playing in 2019, and I'm sure a lot of you are wondering what people could potentially be eligible picks. Well, I have gathered every pick that Gerard Tierney have successfully scored in the list down below, so that might help you get a better idea on who might be good picks in the future (obviously no one on the list would be a good pick since they're dead, but more on what type of picks might be good). So here's the long list:

Spoiler
  1. Jose Alencar
  2. Abdelbaset al-Megrahi
  3. Rene Angelil
  4. Frank Bender
  5. Bob Benmosche
  6. Daisy Berkowitz
  7. Nusrat Bhutto
  8. Tom Billington 
  9. Jeff Blackshear 
  10. Kathleen Blanco
  11. Jack Body
  12. Stefano Borgonovo
  13. Pat Bowlen
  14. Charles Bradley
  15. Ian Brady
  16. Bonnie Brown
  17. Henry Butler
  18. Steve Byrnes
  19. Matt Cappotelli 
  20. Henry Cecil
  21. Nick Charles
  22. Hugo Chavez
  23. Claude Choules
  24. Errol Christie
  25. Van Cliburn
  26. John Cocks
  27. Ray Columbus
  28. Martin Crowe
  29. Peter Maxwell Davies
  30. Tom Davis
  31. Gary DeCarlo
  32. Clive Derby-Lewis
  33. Paul Dewar
  34. Tony Dipardo
  35. Jenny Diski
  36. Jean Dore
  37. Gord Downie
  38. Randy Duncan
  39. Robert G Edwards
  40. Bob Ellis
  41. LeRoy Ellis
  42. Peter Esterhazy
  43. Chuck Fairbanks
  44. Sally Farmiloe
  45. Maulana Fazlullah 
  46. Joey Feek
  47. Lewis Feild
  48. Denny Fitch
  49. Kim Fowley
  50. Bonnie Franklin
  51. Menachem Froman
  52. Phil Gartside
  53. Shankar Ghosh
  54. Robin Gibb
  55. Ahmad (Real) Givens
  56. Goose Gonsoulin
  57. Dale “Buffin” Griffin
  58. Michael Gross
  59. Goran Hadzic
  60. Mark Hatfield
  61. Philip Hannan
  62. Damon Harris
  63. Smith Hart
  64. Bob Hawke
  65. Genaro Hernandez
  66. Fred Ho
  67. Harley Hotchkiss
  68. Geoffrey Hughes
  69. Dmitri Hvorostovsky
  70. Clive James
  71. Etta James
  72. Bill Janklow
  73. Sandy Jardine
  74. Mose Jefferson
  75. Jose Jose
  76. Arfa Karim (why was she allowed?)
  77. Max Keeping
  78. Helen Kelly
  79. Ralph Klein
  80. Sasha Lakovic
  81. Bruce Langhorne
  82. Steve LaTourette
  83. Scott LeDoux
  84. Devin Lima
  85. Joan Lind
  86. Charlie Louvin
  87. Eric Lubbock
  88. Ted Mack
  89. Spanky Manikan
  90. Roy Marble
  91. Howard Marks
  92. Hugh Masekela 
  93. Inez McCormack
  94. Sandy McDonald
  95. Liam Miller
  96. Nolan Miller
  97. Karen Muir
  98. Bryan Murray
  99. Doc Neeson
  100. Catherine Nevin
  101. Bernie Nolan
  102. Wubbo Ockels
  103. Jack Pardee
  104. Manohar Parrikar
  105. J.P. Patches
  106. Larry Pickering 
  107. Louise Plowright
  108. Mike Porcaro
  109. Gregory Powell
  110. Reg Presley
  111. Ray Price
  112. Ted Prior
  113. Jack Ramsay
  114. Paul Revere
  115. Albert Reynolds
  116. Fernando Ricksen 
  117. Fred Rister
  118. Lorena Rojas
  119. Frank Sanders
  120. Malam Bacai Sanha
  121. William Donald Schaefer
  122. Edith Schaeffer
  123. Jock Scot
  124. Stuart Scott
  125. Yitzhak Shamir
  126. Tony Sheridan
  127. Sam Simon
  128. Peter Skellern
  129. Howard Smith
  130. Jimmy Snuka
  131. Stefan Karl Stefansson
  132. Dave Strader
  133. Jim Stynes
  134. Steve Sumner
  135. Orlando Thomas
  136. Morgan Tsvangirai 
  137. Jean-Claude Turcotte
  138. Steve Van Buren
  139. Joost van der Westhuizen
  140. Dwayne Washington
  141. Michael Weiner
  142. Mike Willesee 
  143. Kevin White
  144. Michael Winner
  145. Franz Wright
  146. Robert Yates
  147. Mae Young
  148. Malcolm Young
  149. Zhuang Zedong

There's one pick that's questionable (and if you look them up, you'll see why), but they are very much a rarity. But anyhow, I thought I would share this with you guys who might want some ideas for this pool in 2019...

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On 1/14/2018 at 07:51, drol said:

I has Dennis Stamp. An IBTimes obit was not enough apparently and that made me a bit angry. Anyway welcome to this forum, mr. Kirshner.

 

Thank you for the welcome.  Yes, I also sent the IBTimes obituary and ones from canoe.com, the Fight Network, various newspapers and even one from a Japanese website.  Some were full length obits, others shortened.  No combination proved sufficient to be the qualifying obituary.  In literally less than a minute from my posting this, the 2017 year will officially be closed.  

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Aye, I think we can officially congratulate @JiroemonKimura for ending the five year streak of Gerard Tierney. Bit of a shame he’s not competing this year though...

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Yes, well done Jiroemon!

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Congratulations to Jiroemon Kimura / Cancerous Hatred for his 2017 win.

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Yes, well done Jiroemon  :champagne:

 

Hope to see you back soon.

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A lot of us probably had Cryne. No bonus for anyone, but I think me, Kirshner, and Gerard will be joint first now...

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