historical discussions of ww2

[runebomme 377]

anything involving ww2

[Joey Russ 7,267]

 

[bladan 293]

5 minutes ago, runebomme said:

and other elite soldiers from ww2 discussion

Was Capt. Wind the greatest, or was it someone else?

 

Early in the morning on 13 June 1944 Wind led six MTs to reconnoitre the results of FAF bombing raid on a Soviet "tank park" the night before. The mission turned into an interception fight as the Finnish pilots detected a formation of Pe-2 bombers. Their escort fighters were not up to their task. Capt. Wind shot down four bombers in quick succession, the other pilots downed four more. Then the Finnish Messerschmitts escaped. In the afternoon Wind was leading four MEs in another reconnaissance mission and they were returning home with task accomplished, flying at treetops. At Halila Wind saw six Pe-2s at 1500 m escorted by 16 "Airacobras" at 3000m flying north, to bomb Finnish positions. Wind decided to attack, again defying the orders to avoid combat. He ordered each pilot to pick a target, then they began to approach unnoticed under the bombers. When in range, Wind commanded fire. Four Petlyakovs were destroyed, the two surviving escaped and the Finnish fighters disengaged before the enemy fighters intervened. Wind was reprimanded for endangering the reconnaissance results twice the same day, but consoled himself by thinking what the Soviet commander of the escort fighters could explain to the politruk..

After destroying of 5 Pe-2 s on 13 June 1944, the incredible series of Wind's kills was continued in following days: 15 June - 1 P-39 + 1 IL-2M; 16 June - 2 Pe-2 + 1 La-5; 19 June - 2 P-39 + 1 La-5 (flown by a Hero of Soviet Union, major A.V. Zhirkov). Now Wind was flying a brand new G-6, "MT-439". The plane was still under German insignia because there was no time to painting work.

20 June 1944 there was the toughest day of the war in the air. FAF Messerschmitts (30 aircraft) flew 126 missions, were engaged in 13 air battles in which 49 victories were scored, without losses. This day "Hasse" add to his scoreboard 2 La-5s + 2 Yak-9s + 1 Pe-2. Two days later (on 22 June) he got 2 Spitfires + 1 La-5; next day - 2 La-5s + 2 DB-3Fs; on 25 June - 3 Yak-9s + 2 Yak-7s.

That makes 30 victories in 12 days. Wind took off fast after alert and attacked the enemy ruthlessly, without planning or hesitation. When in shooting position he fired accurately at close range. But Wind was very bitter not being able to help the Finnish infantry, being terrorized by Shtormoviks. On 26 June 1944 he test flew the MT-439 after repair and shot down 3 Yak-9s. His last flight was on 28 June 1944. He shot down 3 Yak-9s and returned to base badly wounded -

 

http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation history/WW2/aces/Hans Wind.htm

[Death Impends 8,043]

Is this like a historical discussion? As it stands, I'm not really sure if this is enough to warrant a separate thread from the WWII vets one.

[runebomme 377]

7 minutes ago, Death Impends said:

Is this like a historical discussion? As it stands, I'm not really sure if this is enough to warrant a separate thread from the WWII vets one.

the other one is of alive ones not many of them now "Who are the highest-ranking WWII officers who are still alive"

 

I wanted this one to be about stories of soldiers who fought bravely in difficult situations

[Death Impends 8,043]

Alright, thanks for the explanation. Think it's just enough for me to let the thread stay.

[Joey Russ 7,267]

Just now, Death Impends said:

Alright, thanks for the explanation. Think it's just enough for me to let the thread stay.

Can the thread title at least say historical discussions so we can tell the difference between the two?

[msc 18,543]

I thought charon had started this thread, tbh.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,226]

13 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

Can the thread title at least say historical discussions so we can tell the difference between the two?

You really are an insufferable little arse licking dick wad, aren't you.

How about you stop fucking sticking your oar in about what is a thread, non  thread or anything else to do with the running of the place and let the mods do what they do, very well to be honest, by letting the place flow wherever possible.

Too much of this shit going around the world of forums, self appointed, anally retentive twats who think they have a duty to point out the fucking obvious or points of order just so they look clever.

Shut the fuck up and just post normal shit like the rest of us you pus filled nutsack.

Thank you.

[charon 4,943]

4 hours ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

You really are an insufferable little arse licking dick wad, aren't you.

How about you stop fucking sticking your oar in about what is a thread, non  thread or anything else to do with the running of the place and let the mods do what they do, very well to be honest, by letting the place flow wherever possible.

Too much of this shit going around the world of forums, self appointed, anally retentive twats who think they have a duty to point out the fucking obvious or points of order just so they look clever.

Shut the fuck up and just post normal shit like the rest of us you pus filled nutsack.

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

[charon 4,943]

8 hours ago, msc said:

I thought charon had started this thread, tbh.

 

 

Nah just looked the now, not my bag old bean.

 

 

Ftr.

 

Fighter pilots generally fought each other or shot down the murdering scum crewing bombers.

 

Fighter bomber crews come under shitebags too.

 

Soon they'll all be dead so

[bladan 293]

Ilmari "Illu" Juutilainen (1914-1999) was the top scoring Finnish fighter pilot. He was one of only four people to twice receive the highest Finnish military decoration, the Mannerheim Cross, and is considered the highest scoring non-German ace of all time. 94 confirmed kills, 126 according to Illu. Juutilainen finished the war without a single hit to his plane from enemy fighter airplanes. Like Japanese fighter ace Saburō Sakai, Juutilainen never lost a wingman in combat. "He flies like an angel", said his flying instructor.

[bladan 293]

The best?

Hans-Joachim Marseille (1919–1942) was a German fighter pilot during World War II. A flying ace, he is noted for his aerial battles during the North African Campaign. All but seven of his 158 (sic!) claimed victories were against the British Desert Air Force over North Africa. No other pilot claimed as many Western Allied aircraft as Marseille.

"Marseille was the unrivalled virtuoso among the fighter pilots of World War 2. His achievements had previously been regarded as impossible and they were never excelled by anyone after his death."
– Adolf Galland, General der Jagdflieger

 

"Illu" Juutilainen vs. Marseille? A duel?

[charon 4,943]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Le_Gloan

 

Mentioned on here afore, he gave no shits.

 

A Frenchie who shot down English, Italian and Germans afore dying in an accident.

 

If he lived he would've probably taken down some yanks, Ruskies and Japs, just for the LOLZ.

 

 

 

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And tho a bad press in WW2, Hermann Goering had a good WW1 as a fighter pilot, over 20 kills and ended up commanding The Flying Circus after Richthofen's demise.

[bladan 293]

Hans Wind was compared to René Fonck of the WW1

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Fonck

 

I think it's Marseille vs. Juutilainen vs Wind. The good, bad and the ugly

 

 

[runebomme 377]

which was the best tank of ww2