President (recumbent) Barack Obama

[Dave to the Grave 11]

Everyone has probably already seen this, but if not, I think it says it all really, regarding the whole, African/Irish/Welsh/Cayman Island/Yorkshire/Gay-American thingy.

Poor show talking to yourself on an internet forum, unlike in a supermarket, where you provide the in-store entertainment, but recent posts made me think of this.

[Typhoid Harry 21]

Damn, the graphics/video card in this computer is failing and I can't play Youtube at the moment. /frustrated

 

Ordered a new one two weeks ago and hasn't been delivered yet.

[Dave to the Grave 11]

Damn, the graphics/video card in this computer is failing and I can't play Youtube at the moment. /frustrated

 

Ordered a new one two weeks ago and hasn't been delivered yet.

You've not missed much really. Just me not taking things seriously as per. It loses something without the Dublin accent but you can read it here. Jimmy Rabbitte, twelve quote down.

[themaninblack 2,112]

Interesting to see how many (if any) black cabinet ministers are chosen by Obama. His very first appointment raised a few eyebrows.

 

Another Zionist....

[Typhoid Harry 21]

This is interesting, and I hate Howard Stern. Note that they switch the policies.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c

 

(Had to watch it on my wife's machine. Wish the post delivered on Sunday.)

[Banshees Scream 107]

So when will it be "balanced out"?

There isn't any real answer to that question. It could be twenty years-it could be fifty years. The significance in his election is that it triggers an awakening. This result triggers realizations in everyday life. I more the less view the changes in society as long term rather than overnight. The question is "how will it progress?"Will the progression of equality in America be similar to the rise in technology we saw from 1958 - 2008? Will it be that dramatic?

 

I think Typhoid Harry feels .. like Obama will trigger some "Black power" movement. A vandalization of America where white people are now "second" in America according to the black people. Does anyone else feel this way?

[Dave to the Grave 11]

I think Typhoid Harry feels .. like Obama will trigger some "Black power" movement. A vandalization of America where white people are now "second" in America according to the black people. Does anyone else feel this way?

I think I'll wait and ask the first Shawnee President of America.

[Typhoid Harry 21]

So when will it be "balanced out"?

There isn't any real answer to that question. It could be twenty years-it could be fifty years. The significance in his election is that it triggers an awakening. This result triggers realizations in common life. I more the less view the changes in society as long term rather then overnight. The question is "how will it progress?"Will the progression of equality in America be similar to the rise in technology we saw from 1958 - 2008? Will it be that dramatic?

 

I think Typhoid Harry feels .. like Obama will trigger some "Black power" movement. A vandalization of America where white people are now "second" in America according to the black people. Does anyone else feel this way?

 

No, I don't feel that way, nor do I fear it, I just hope for the day when there is no difference between "white American culture" and black American culture". Black people here have been perpetrating a "separate but more than equal" mentality for many years. Rap music and Ebonics are the obvious examples, all meant to set up anyone who dares say, "Hey, that's just stupid!" as racist. It's crap. Ax me now questions, I be tellin' you no lies.

 

Edit: Same thing applies for white people we regularly refer to as "white trash" (try calling someone black trash sometime) or "redneck"; if you sound like an idiot, people cannot be blamed for thinking you one.

[Banshees Scream 107]

Black people here have been perpetrating a "separate but more than equal" mentality for many years. Rap music and Ebonics are the obvious examples, all meant to set up anyone who dares say, "Hey, that's just stupid!" as racist. It's crap.

I would say 70% of rap music is about "getting out of the ghetto" and "drugs and blood money" which is a logical reason as of why some people would not want to hear it. I'm not a fan of music which just revolves around people killing eachother over cocaine. However, that doesn't mean all rap music is so bad. The music industry is besides the point.

 

I truly hope someday that "crazy Al Sharpton guy who uses his race as an excuse for his own faults" is looked upon as very discriminative. In 2008, we aren't there yet. I do think we will get there eventually. It will be a process.

[Guest If Banshees were a song]

Black people here have been perpetrating a "separate but more than equal" mentality for many years. Rap music and Ebonics are the obvious examples, all meant to set up anyone who dares say, "Hey, that's just stupid!" as racist. It's crap.

I would say 70% of rap music is about "getting out of the ghetto" and "drugs and blood money" which is a logical reason as of why some people would not want to hear it. I'm not a fan of music which just revolves around people killing eachother over cocaine. However, that doesn't mean all rap music is so bad. The music industry is besides the point.

 

I truly hope someday that "crazy Al Sharpton guy who uses his race as an excuse for his own faults" is looked upon as very discriminative. In 2008, we aren't there yet. I do think we will get there eventually. It will be a process.

 

 

Not all rapper's are black

[deadsox 891]

I also think that all black people in the USA now have to STFU about racism and strive to achieve some fraction of the success of their hero,

I agree. Everything should "balance out now". A black man has been elected president and that certainly should change the way African Americans's view themselves. It's the 21st century now. As the years go by, we should have less use for people like Rev Al Sharpton. There might always be discrimination in this world but the election of a black man should signify a step forward for humanity.

 

People bitching about their skin color is reaching the sunset of it acceptability. However, we aren't exactly there yet. I mean that as I say it.

 

While President-Elect Obama's election is a significant step forward for American race relations, it by no means "balances out" everything and does not mean that African Americans need to shut up. Racism, while much less virulent in the last 30 years is still alive. I would only ask that if citizens resort to blaming their misfortunes on racism, they furnish specifics rather than the shop worn generalities used by people like Sharpton and Jackson.

 

So when will it be "balanced out"? Would slave reparations do it for you? Institutionalized racism is dead with the election of a black president, should we outlaw personal opinions we find offensive? Would that make things finally "right" for you? What if we rewrite The Star Spangled Banner as a rap song and redecorate all government buildings with tacky "African" colors? Maybe if we finally declare an "official" American language and we all switch to "ebonics"?

Why don't you say what you really mean? You want apologist bullshit guilt tactics to last as long as there's something in it for you, right?

My personal message to black people in the United States: The jig is up, you've broken through the ceiling. You can't play the "poor me, the man is holding me down card" anymore; you are the man. Handout time is over, time to get off the dole and on the bus to school. It IS the majority of black* people in the US creating the stereotype. Stop it, you're embarrassing the rest of us.

 

*I continue to say black because the overwhelming majority of black people in America have never even been to Africa, (hell, statistics tell us most Americans can't even find Africa on a map) nor even met anyone who has been there. The irony of this is that our newly elected president actually IS African American.

 

Nothing will ever be balanced out nor should it be attempted. Every individual in the United States has advantages and disadvantages. The beauty of the society is that you can have a chance to work hard and achieve your dream, whatever that might be. Notice I said "chance". No one is guaranteed success. The constitution guarantees the "pursuit" of happiness not happiness. I don't support reparations or any of the other ridiculous things you advance. Do not presume to know me or what I want based upon my statements that African Americans don't have to shut up or that racism still exists. The great majority of African Americans (or Blacks if you prefer) don't want a handout, just to be treated as men and women and judged for themselves. By the way, Harry, there's nothing in it for me. I am not of African descent (unless you go far enough back, in which case, we all are Africans). I'm sure all African Americans will be thrilled to hear your personal message and take it to heart.

[Banshees Scream 107]

Not all rapper's are black

Hey man, I might just be insane. Everybody is insane sometimes. Half of the people on this forum are probably insane on some level.

 

Anyway, I don't understand this. Deadsox: What does the pursuit of happiness and success not being guarenteed have to do with society letting the descriminative nature of our past die. I fail to make the connection. I understand what you are saying but equality among people differs from personal acheivement.

[Typhoid Harry 21]

Am I a figment of your imagination, or are you one of mine?

[Madame Defarge 21]

offensive? Would that make things finally "right" for you? What if we rewrite The Star Spangled Banner as a rap song and redecorate all government buildings with tacky "African" colors? Maybe if we finally declare an "official" American language and we all switch to "ebonics"?

Why don't you say what you really mean? You want apologist bullshit guilt tactics to last as long as there's something in it for you, right?

My personal message to black people in the United States: The jig is up, you've broken through the ceiling. You can't play the "poor me, the man is holding me down card" anymore; you are the man. Handout time is over, time to get off the dole and on the bus to school. It IS the majority of black* people in the US creating the stereotype. Stop it, you're embarrassing the rest of us.

 

*I continue to say black because the overwhelming majority of black people in America have never even been to Africa, (hell, statistics tell us most Americans can't even find Africa on a map) nor even met anyone who has been there. The irony of this is that our newly elected president actually IS African American.

Last time I looked at a map, Africa was a continent, not a country. So which of the countries' flags do you refer to?

 

Also, I know several people who voted for McCain. I'm sure that the fact that they are racists is purely coincidental.

[Typhoid Harry 21]

Should have used quotation marks for that, my bad. It was referring to something someone said about the anticipated redecorating of the White House. I was lampooning a rather racist remark and missed my mark.

[deadsox 891]

Not all rapper's are black

Hey man, I might just be insane. Everybody is insane sometimes. Half of the people on this forum are probably insane on some level.

 

Anyway, I don't understand this. Deadsox: What does the pursuit of happiness and success not being guarenteed have to do with society letting the descriminative nature of our past die. I fail to make the connection. I understand what you are saying but equality among people differs from personal acheivement.

 

The context is about those people who want to balance out everything, as if that were possible. Reparations to African Americans because of slavery, casinos and other advantages for Native Americans, etc. No one ever said that everything would be equal, there will always be those with advantages. The constitution only gives citizens the pursuit of happiness not a guaranteed fair shake with everyone else. The discriminative nature of the past will never die and new discriminations will arise.

[Banshees Scream 107]

I do agree that advantages and disadvantages of society will always exist in some form or another. I also agree that some form of descrimination (and even new forms) will continue as (people of the middle eastern world are a recent example) can be looked down upon by some of society. I do believe people will eventually view their differences in a new light someday. If .. (30% of America is racist) it might only be 15% by 2040. It's impossible to tell but I do think all things can change to an extent.

[Windsor 2,143]

To Welshman,

 

If you are going to send me insulting PMs, at least be a good sport and allow me to respond.

Sending a PM like that and then blocking me from your list. Seems a bit cowardly.

 

By the way, if that was your answer, I think it is a pretty crap argument.

[Typhoid Harry 21]

[CarolAnn 924]

 

That whole book was greatness.

[Windsor 2,143]

There may be a possible upset in Missouri. Most had called it for McCain, but it is extremely close.

 

With the votes counted so far, McCain has 49.4% of the vote to Obama's 49.3%. About 5,000 votes difference.

Unfortunately I don't know how much is yet to be counted.

 

How exciting...

[CarolAnn 924]

There may be a possible upset in Missouri. Most had called it for McCain, but it is extremely close.

 

With the votes counted so far, McCain has 49.4% of the vote to Obama's 49.3%. About 5,000 votes difference.

Unfortunately I don't know how much is yet to be counted.

 

How exciting...

 

Yee. Haw.

[Typhoid Harry 21]

Priest says it's because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion

 

updated 5:45 p.m. CT, Thurs., Nov. 13, 2008

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

 

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

 

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

 

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

 

Risking their immortal soul

During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

 

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers — and voters — should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

 

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County — traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas — went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

 

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

 

Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

 

Some say move is too extreme

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

 

"Father Newman is off-base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

 

A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

 

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

[Banshees Scream 107]

The most narrow minded aspect of organized religion is that it's followers fail to blend most of these beliefs with modern life. The origination of this philosophy happened in a time where people went their whole entire lives without taking a shower. The prevention of teenage pregnancies and people getting HIV are the issues "people of god" should support. I view the Catholic church as an individual who doesn't have electricity in their home. I think these people need to stop the horseshit and set an appointment for a reality check so these beliefs can be reformed. They often have this habit of comparing the devil to a deformed dog but I prefer to compare the Catholic Church to the polar bears.

[Windsor 2,143]

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

 

Just another Cardinal Keith O'Brien. He tried exactly the same stunt with the abortion laws last year where he tried to force Catholic MPs to vote by the Catholic Church.

 

Bunch of c**ts.