Who Will Win The Leadership Election?

[Deathray 2,940]

Time for a little poll.

[msc 18,420]

I think Sleepy Andy Burnham is going to sneak through on second preferences. I have no vote in the matter, if I did, I'd vote for Corbyn.

[Deathray 2,940]

I think Sleepy Andy Burnham is going to sneak through on second preferences. I have no vote in the matter, if I did, I'd vote for Corbyn.

 

Does the £3 deal not tempt you to join and vote for him?

[msc 18,420]

 

I think Sleepy Andy Burnham is going to sneak through on second preferences. I have no vote in the matter, if I did, I'd vote for Corbyn.

 

Does the £3 deal not tempt you to join and vote for him?

 

 

No. "Real life reasons".

 

I am looking forward to Kendall finishing in a miserable 4th place though.

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

I think Sleepy Andy Burnham is going to sneak through on second preferences. I have no vote in the matter, if I did, I'd vote for Corbyn.

 

Does the £3 deal not tempt you to join and vote for him?

 

 

No. "Real life reasons".

 

I am looking forward to Kendall finishing in a miserable 4th place though.

 

 

Foreigner? Member of the BNP or summit?

 

By my reckoning if enough of Corbyn's supporters put Kendall second they could prevent Burnham or Cooper winning?

[YoungWillz 20,969]

I've gone for Corbyn, he's the only one who could re-energise debate and politics. I'll not be voting, three pounds = three Thunderballs and there's more excitement in that.

 

I have had a little theory simmering away for years now. My thought is that the Tories (beginning with She Who Is Now Dead But Whose Legacy Still Kills - snappy, huh?) have had one aim in the last 30 years - to destroy the brand that is Labour (whether New or not, Labour is the poison word). Look at history - begin by taking away the base of what was once labour skills, then re-brand the remaining labour based skills as "services" in line with all other forms of work. Then make everyone believe such work is service provider, rather than manual labour. That then puts in people's minds that the Conservatives (think of the connotations of that word) are the party of the here and now (rather than the old-fashioned out of touch elite they were and remain) and that Labour is an out-dated 20th century concept.

 

By this rather successful jape, Labour look (a) backward; (b ) non-progressive; © when trying to determine policy for today and the future, hypocritical at the least and almost identical to the Tories at best (especially when Harriet says at the Queen's Speech they will be an effective opposition, then Labour sit on their hands and abstain on key votes on welfare and vow delivery for Scotland).

 

Labour is dead unless (first) they re-brand, and (second) become an opposition that speaks for the people against the Government - and that means on EVERYTHING.

 

This theory always comes out after a couple of pints, but then that's what I've had today. Crikey, even Sewel talked sense on his lines of coke, if a sober opposition leader can't do the same, they're done.

 

Tuppence rant over lol.

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

I personally Think corbyn

[The Unknown Man 584]

I voted for Corbyn.

[Sean 6,302]

I think it will be painfully close and a repeat of the 1981 deputy leadership election between Healey and Benn with Andy Burnham scraping it over Corbyn.If Corbyn gets it there will most probably be a split in the party much like when the SDP jumped ship.I won`t be voting though because I don`t support labour.I considered voting tactically but that can backfire so I decided against it.

[mijkediablo 79]

Were Corbyn to win, I certainly think he would reenergise a long moribund party. He's got the ideas, the attitude, the principles. Of course the right wing press would try to tear him apart, as would the Blairite blue labour lot within his own party, but I sense that Corbyn has what it takes to rise above all of that nonsense. At the last election, the percentage of non-voters was enormous- more people didn't vote than voted Tory. It's those people Labour really need to reach out to, and I honestly think Jeremy Corbyn is the only candidate who could possibly do that.

 

If he doesn't win (I deeply hope he does win, but...) then I'll lose all hope for the Labour party. Burnham's a clone, dishing out soundbytes about soundbytes, Cooper's still got Balls on her chin, for which the right wing press would crucify her, and Kendall may as well be a Tory.

[themaninblack 2,112]

Cooper's still got Balls on her chin

 

Tch! I was saving up that line...

[themaninblack 2,112]

There's nowhere else for the Labour right to go but to sit on their hands and take it if Corbyn wins. The last time the left were ascendant, many left to join the SDP and that idea is now dead in the water. The centre of the British politics is eight nobodies on the opposition benches called the Lib Dems.

 

He won't win any votes in Tunbridge Wells but that's not the point, it's about time there was a genuine opposition to the government rather than the mealy-mouthed version we got from Miliband etc.

 

And it will frighten the living shit out of the right if Corbyn proves in any way popular nationwide and that's good enough for me...

[Sean 6,302]

There's nowhere else for the Labour right to go but to sit on their hands and take it if Corbyn wins. The last time the left were ascendant, many left to join the SDP and that idea is now dead in the water. The centre of the British politics is eight nobodies on the opposition benches called the Lib Dems.

 

He won't win any votes in Tunbridge Wells but that's not the point, it's about time there was a genuine opposition to the government rather than the mealy-mouthed version we got from Miliband etc.

 

And it will frighten the living shit out of the right if Corbyn proves in any way popular nationwide and that's good enough for me...

I can`t envisage him being successful as I can`t see the right of the Labour party embracing or even tolerating him and can`t think of many MP`s he could get in his shadow cabinet even.

[Rotten Ali 600]

Old Labour won't die. No matter what. The fringe union vote may co-join if Corbyn is leader.

 

The smart next move would be for him to say that there should be a split in the party to "divorce" the right wing/centrist NewLabour (newSDP) in a friendly fashion to work more closely with what remains of the LibDems.

 

Then having a four way runoff midterm (party member only) semi-PR election with the Greens in England and a five way contest in Wales with PC added into the mix in October 2017 to decide which party will stand a single "Together" candidate against the 331 sitting Tories in 2020. In all Labour held seats there would be a default natural split and no infighting if incombancy is still in order. However if the MP wants to stand down then a simple pre contest between old and new labour would be enacted.

 

In Scotland the SNP are so in assendance that it would be near pointless to bother with such a process but would be asked if they wanted to join the midterm election process in the one seat north of the boarder that is Tory held. Likewise in Northern Ireland the SDLP is so capable that nothing of this nature need be considered with this regard.

 

As for my votes, at this time I will be voting for Liz Kendall and "Yeti" Cooper 2nd choice because I have a hunch that Andy Burnham has a drink problem. Deputy leader Stella Creasy 1st because she sounds the most competent of the five, Ben Bradshaw 2nd choice because he is pro PR and knows how to win from a position of back-to-the-wall embattlement.

[Bibliogryphon 9,556]

I think that there should have been an additional question.

 

Not only who do you think will win but who do you want to win.

 

I voted Cooper for the former but I would love to see Corbyn win and then sweep to an election victory when the Conservative party fall apart over Europe and suffer a handful of defections. The Lib Dems form an electoral pact with the Greens and PC which allows them to push back the Tories in the SW. This would happen in Early 2017 before the PLP have come up with a convincing strategy to remove Corbyn.

 

I think Cooper is playing the long game. Kendall is way out and Burnham's supporters may be a little over zealous the sexist comments about Cooper and Kendall not being capable of leading the Labour party are a case in point.

 

My fear is that Corbyn may have peaked too soon though when do the ballot papers start going out?

[Deathray 2,940]

I think that there should have been an additional question.

 

Not only who do you think will win but who do you want to win.

 

I voted Cooper for the former but I would love to see Corbyn win and then sweep to an election victory when the Conservative party fall apart over Europe and suffer a handful of defections. The Lib Dems form an electoral pact with the Greens and PC which allows them to push back the Tories in the SW. This would happen in Early 2017 before the PLP have come up with a convincing strategy to remove Corbyn.

 

I think Cooper is playing the long game. Kendall is way out and Burnham's supporters may be a little over zealous the sexist comments about Cooper and Kendall not being capable of leading the Labour party are a case in point.

 

My fear is that Corbyn may have peaked too soon though when do the ballot papers start going out?

 

12-14 August.

[Bibliogryphon 9,556]

Still another fortnight for the Daily Mail to try and pin something really horrible on him. Jeremy Corbyn is secretly an alien who has sex with trees?

[Sean 6,302]

Still another fortnight for the Daily Mail to try and pin something really horrible on him. Jeremy Corbyn is secretly an alien who has sex with trees?

I am sure the Sun will go to his office along with a bag of coke and some prostitutes to see if they can catch him out!

[Bibliogryphon 9,556]

 

Still another fortnight for the Daily Mail to try and pin something really horrible on him. Jeremy Corbyn is secretly an alien who has sex with trees?

I am sure the Sun will go to his office along with a bag of coke and some prostitutes to see if they can catch him out!

 

But when they emerge it transpires he has just signed them up to be (knocking) shop stewards of the National Sex Workers Union

[maryportfuncity 10,623]

 

 

Still another fortnight for the Daily Mail to try and pin something really horrible on him. Jeremy Corbyn is secretly an alien who has sex with trees?

I am sure the Sun will go to his office along with a bag of coke and some prostitutes to see if they can catch him out!

 

But when they emerge it transpires he has just signed them up to be (knocking) shop stewards of the National Sex Workers Union

 

 

 

Being totally cynical I'd say the Sun and Mail can't wait to do him over the way they savaged Worzel Gummidge back in the day, so they'd fucking love it. And it'll be a double shot in the foot for Labour because their low price membership policy will allow loads of rich tory supporters to join up, vote in Corbyn and then kick back over a cigar and guffaw with their mates about what they did whilst the real lefties in the party also feel they've done a good job returning to proper socialist values. So there'll be a honeymoon period followed by trial by press as Gormy Corby or whatever else they christen him leads Labour onto unelectable moral high ground. The one thing that might just scupper all of this is poor people everywhere getting so pissed off they start to listen and rally behind Labour (unlikely IMHO). Labour could just about get the kind of popular support the SNP managed by moving themeselves into smackhead central estates anywhere they could find them and persuading enough Jeremy Kyle fodder to sign up and vote that people start to believe again. If the latest slashing of benefits puts the twin delights of heroin and computer games beyond the reach of millions, leaving them with only daytime telly, they may be forced into political action.

 

Rant over!

[Dr. Zorders 1,271]

Anyone else see the Channel 4 news special last night with the candidates? Caught it by chance (which I guess could well be the name of an upcoming Channel 4 show about STDs), but it was very worth watching.

 

I was impressed by Corbyn again and I realised, I've been surprised by how well he can argue and has "defended" (without being defensive) his policies or ideas against the expected accusations of being outdated and/or whatever - which I really didn't expect at all when he first got in the race.

 

It always seemed to me that whole thing of standing on the backbenches droning on about Thatcher's legacy and using the word "Palestine" as a comma, that was pretty much his image beforehand, was the sole preserve of senile old men like Tony Benn, Clare Short, etc...

[Bibliogryphon 9,556]

Anyone else see the Channel 4 news special last night with the candidates? Caught it by chance (which I guess could well be the name of an upcoming Channel 4 show about STDs), but it was very worth watching.

 

I was impressed by Corbyn again and I realised, I've been surprised by how well he can argue and has "defended" (without being defensive) his policies or ideas against the expected accusations of being outdated and/or whatever - which I really didn't expect at all when he first got in the race.

 

It always seemed to me that whole thing of standing on the backbenches droning on about Thatcher's legacy and using the word "Palestine" as a comma, that was pretty much his image beforehand, was the sole preserve of senile old men like Tony Benn, Clare Short, etc...

 

Tony Benn was never senile and Claire Short was never a man. Although I could perhaps understand why you might have been confused about the later.

[Deathray 2,940]

I was impressed by Corbyn again

It always seemed to me that whole thing of standing on the backbenches droning on about Thatcher's legacy and using the word "Palestine" as a comma, that was pretty much his image beforehand, was the sole preserve of senile old men like Tony Benn, Clare Short, etc...

That was only is image to morons like you who'd never really paid attention to him.

[Sean 6,302]

Benn had his faculties right up until the end.I didn`t agree with him politically on most things but he was a very clever and principled man who could command respect from every divide of the political spectrum and was a fantastic speaker.I think he was unique in doing so and think that Corbyn is a poor comparison.Maybe I am comparing them too heavily on charisma but it is incredibly important in a leader.I cannot think of a single great politician who didn`t posses charisma in abundance.

[Bibliogryphon 9,556]

At this time of the year as the days get colder we will start thinking about the old guy with the beard, who is very fond of the colour red and whose generosity of present giving seems completely at odds with the money available.

 

SANTA or Jeremy Corbyn?