Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted August 20, 2020 5 hours ago, gary1961 said: Hi Just found this thread...very interesting. My particular interest is Watford players, so looking for any confirmation on - Bernard Royden Evans DOB 7.10.29 Debut 1951 Laurence Edward Adams DOB 14.2.31 Debut 1952 Geoffrey Gordon Steiner DOB 8.6.28 Debut 1952 One where I can add info is Tommy Carpenter. I made contact via his daughter 5 years ago when he was aged 90 and had suffered 2 strokes. I expect Steiner and Evans are alive. Certainly Steiner due to his surname. If he has remained in England, then there is no record of him dying. I am going through the list with 1927,1928 and 1929 to go so if I see any changes, I'll advise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary1961 8 Posted August 20, 2020 cheers, hopefully something will turn up ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted August 20, 2020 Norman Lewis, ex Shrewsbury Town died off the radar in March and not even his bowls team knew - http://www.bowlsherefordshire.btck.co.uk/News Also ex Shrewsbury, Russell Crossley died in 2018 - https://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/590 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted August 20, 2020 Jack Street, ex Southport - https://www.southportfootballclub.co.uk/players/player-details/?id=1566 died in 2019 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 26, 2020 Thanks for the information about Dewiss Brown and John Lavery I thought Brown emigrated but found no reference Lavery I did have a phone number But he moved back to Ireland 2 others who died in Cana are James Ronald Mitchell before 2017 And William dunlop Reid probably after 1980.i cant find a year Geoff Steiner married Madeleine spiers in Watford in 1955 but no trace of children or deaths of either so probably emigrated.still has relations in north London Bernard Evan's still alive in Tonbridge His son Kevin also lives there Michael 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary1961 8 Posted August 26, 2020 5 hours ago, michaelf said: Thanks for the information about Dewiss Brown and John Lavery I thought Brown emigrated but found no reference Lavery I did have a phone number But he moved back to Ireland 2 others who died in Cana are James Ronald Mitchell before 2017 And William dunlop Reid probably after 1980.i cant find a year Geoff Steiner married Madeleine spiers in Watford in 1955 but no trace of children or deaths of either so probably emigrated.still has relations in north London Bernard Evan's still alive in Tonbridge His son Kevin also lives there Michael Hi Michael Do you have any info on Geoff Steiner's relatives as would be happy to follow that up.... Cheers Gary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 26, 2020 Hi Gary I dont have a phone number but Leonard Steiner lives in London n11 check 192.com He has 2 other brothers Terence and Robert Mothers maiden name Aberdeen all born near Hackney. I'm trying to find Ken Williams Watford 1947 .I need to know where he was born There was a marriage in Watford about 1948 but dont know if that's the right person Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary1961 8 Posted August 27, 2020 Thanks Michael Will see what I can find out on Geoff Steiner... Ken Williams...yeah, that's a difficult one, I know the Watford guru, Trefor Jones, couldn't pin down any details on his dob Will keep you posted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 29, 2020 Thanks Gary Watford observer may have Ken Williams age or place of birth Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 30, 2020 Here ia a list of players born before 1926. where some are alive THOMAS GRAHAM BAILEY alive in Truro age 100 address on 192.com ALBERT BATEM AN ALIVE REGINAL H BRESFORD alive in Walsall Ron Brown born 1923 returned to Ireland ERNEST BUTLER alive in Middlesbrough DANIEL PATRICK CAMERON BORN 1923 returned to IRELAND THOMAS CARPENTER alive JOHN CARROLL born 1923 TREVOR CHURCHILL alive ERIC DALE alive THOMAS DOCHERTY born 1924 alive in Cambridge JAMES DONNELLY BORN 1919 PEADAR DOMNAL FALLON may have died in 2001 in LOUISBURGH.EIRE JACK FINLAY BORN 1925 emigrated Melbournwe 1955 JOHN FISHER ALIVE Daniel Flanagan born 1924 JOHN FOXTON ALIVE IN HANTS JOHN GALLOWAY JOHN GIBBONS ALIVE IN CHARLTON ALBERT GILES ALIVE DAVID GRAY ALIVE IN QUEENSBURY ROBERT GARAY ALIVE GATESHEAD PETER GREENWOOD ALIVE UPTON ERIC HAMPSON ALIVE STOKE EDWARD HARDING ALIVE GUILDFORD ? REG HARRISON ALIVE DERBYSHIRE REG HIPKIN ALIVE KENT ? ALEX JACKSON BORN 1921 MAY BE ALIVE IN YORKSHIRE ARNOL JACKSON ALIVE MANCHESTER HENRY JONES BORN 1918 HARTLEPOOL JOHN MORRIS JONES BORN 1924 ALIVE JAMES PATRICK KELLY BORN 1925 MICHAEL J KELLY BORN 1920 ERYK KUBICKI ALIVE POLAND JOHN MCBRIDE BORN 1923 EMUIGRATED ? USA JOHN F NCCARTHY BORN 1922 EDWARD MCCREADIE WALSALL BORN 1924 ? JOHN SUTHERLAND MCDONALD NOTTS COUNTY EDWARD MARTIN BORN 1921 ALIVE IN ACCRINGTON ? WILLIAM MELLOR BORN 1925 JAMES RONAL MITCHELL DIED IN TORONTO BEFORE 2017 TOM MORAN BORN 1924 JOE OLIVER ALIVE HEXHAM WILLIAM ONEILL BORN 1919 JOHN O'SULLIVAN BORN 1922 probably died SAM PARKER BORN 1924 ALIVE ? WILLIAM PARKER brother of SAM alive ALF PATRICK ALIVE HENRY J POTTS BORN 1925 ALIVE WILLIAM DUNLOP REID ? WIFE DIED IN VANCOUVER 1980 HERBERT ROBINSON BORN 1922 RAY RUFFETT ALIVE ERIC SEARLE ALIVE FREDERICK ARTHUR SHARPE EMIGRATED AUSTRALIA 1949 WILLIAM SIMPSON AGE 100 ALIVE ? JAMES SMITH BORN 1/1/1920 WAS ALIVE 8 YEARS AGO IN BOLTON GEORGE G STEWART MAY BE ALIVE IN PERTH AGE 99 HARRY SUTHERLAND DIED IN AUSTRALIA YEAR UNKNOWN JAMES TAYLOR BORN 7TH APRIL 1925 JOHN TAYLOR BORN 24TH JUNE 1924 GEORGE THOMPSON BORN 5TH NOVEMBER 1913 JOHN TIGHE BORN 13TH MARCH 1923 JIHN VITTY ALIVE SYD WARD ALIVE / born 1923 JOHN WATLING ALIVE KEN WHITE born 1922 alive ERIC WILLIAMS BORN 10TH JULY 1921` JOHN WILLIAMS BORN 21/11/1925 ALIVE IN WALES FRANK WINTERS BORN 30TH OCTOBER 1923 VIVIAN WOODWARD EMIGRATED AUSTRALIALEN YOUNG BORN 1912 EMIGRATED AUSTRALIA PLAYERS BELOW NO BIRTHDATE KNOWN JAMES GRANT BRIGHTON 1947 SCOTS BORN ? WILLIAM JOHNSTON BARROW 1947 BORN IN GREENOCK SCOTLAND JACK PEAT WORKINGTON 1950S LIVED IN PAISLEY 1940S PLAYED IN SCOTLAND ALEX SHAW CREWE 1946 SCOTTISH KEN WILLIAMS WATFORD 1947 ROBERT WILSON WORKINGTON 1950S PLAYED FOR STIRLING BORN IN MOTHERWELL Perhaps someone can help with some of these Michael HERBERT WILLIAMS born 19th june 1925 emigrated to canada 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted August 30, 2020 8 hours ago, michaelf said: Here ia a list of players born before 1926. where some are alive Ron Brown born 1923 returned to Ireland DANIEL PATRICK CAMERON BORN 1923 returned to IRELAND JOHN CARROLL born 1923 JACK FINLAY BORN 1925 emigrated Melbournwe 1955 JOHN FISHER ALIVE JOHN FOXTON ALIVE IN HANTS JOHN GALLOWAY JOHN GIBBONS ALIVE IN CHARLTON ALBERT GILES ALIVE EDWARD MCCREADIE WALSALL BORN 1924 ? JOHN TIGHE BORN 13TH MARCH 1923 ERIC WILLIAMS BORN 10TH JULY 1921` 8 hours ago, michaelf said: PLAYERS BELOW NO BIRTHDATE KNOWN JAMES GRANT BRIGHTON 1947 SCOTS BORN ? WILLIAM JOHNSTON BARROW 1947 BORN IN GREENOCK SCOTLAND JACK PEAT WORKINGTON 1950S LIVED IN PAISLEY 1940S PLAYED IN SCOTLAND ALEX SHAW CREWE 1946 SCOTTISH KEN WILLIAMS WATFORD 1947 ROBERT WILSON WORKINGTON 1950S PLAYED FOR STIRLING BORN IN MOTHERWELL Michael, I've deleted the names above who are in the table on the first page. Don't forget Arthur Smith, born in 1915, ex Bury and Leicester who is the oldest player still alive. I notice you don't include David Lindsay (1922) and Ambrose Wilson (1924) on your list above - do you believe them to be deceased? Beresford, I thought was dead, but is very much alive and I'll add him back on - https://www.facebook.com/walsallswimclub/ Ron Brown died in 1968. Eddie McCreadie died last year. Cameron is likely dead as Everton confirmed Thomas Gardner as their oldest player at his death in 2016, who was born after Cameron. https://princerupertstower.com/2016/11/07/everton-legend-thomas-gardner-passes-away-93/ I removed Carroll as West Ham confirmed Frank O'Farrell as their oldest player recently, same with Finlay and Leeds United and Galloway and Chelsea. Portsmouth were very specific about naming Maurice Leather as their oldest player and not Foxton, likewise Ipswich named Len Fletcher as their oldest and not Johnny Gibbons. Same goes for Albert Giles and Bristol Rovers and John Tighe and West Brom and Eric Williams and Manchester City. I'm aware clubs can (and have) made mistakes but there's very little evidence about some of these guys that they are still alive. Jackie Fisher died in 2013 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Fisher_(footballer,_born_1925) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 31, 2020 Thanks for the information.i will keep looking but at the moment places are closed Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 31, 2020 Ron Brown was an error. He returned to Ireland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted August 31, 2020 I just checked Jack Foxton but cant find him a Swindon football where are they now site says he is retired and living in Hampshire But I cant find him but he could be in a home No trace of death either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebless 203 Posted August 31, 2020 Albert Bateman died in April this year. https://t.co/bVlbOgTgob 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted September 1, 2020 That twitter post made me search twitter for anything else similar. Joe Lancaster is definitely alive - https://mobile.twitter.com/RetroRed2/status/1279641530547003392 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted September 1, 2020 Whereas he's not on this list.. yet, but James Smith http://www.stamford-bridge.com/player.php?id=510&surname=Smith&firstname=James is Chelsea 2nd oldest player behind Tommy Docherty. Worth mentioning that Irish legend Billy Bingham is Everton official oldest and they seem quite clued up about these things. https://mobile.twitter.com/RickGlanvill/status/1281522830455255041 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary1961 8 Posted September 7, 2020 Hi Michael Made contact with Geoff Steiner's brother and Geoff is alive and living in the Netherlands. Trying to find out more details. Gary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted September 8, 2020 IHi I have nothing on Ambrose wilson I think he returned to Ireland As to David Lindsay I found a birth in 1919 with the same birthdate and he died in 1987 in east kilbride But I will probably check this on a return visit to Edinburgh when I can Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelf 24 Posted September 8, 2020 IHi I have nothing on Ambrose wilson I think he returned to Ireland As to David Lindsay I found a birth in 1919 with the same birthdate and he died in 1987 in east kilbride But I will probably check this on a return visit to Edinburgh when I can Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,035 Posted September 18, 2020 On 30/08/2020 at 12:22, michaelf said: Here ia a list of players born before 1926. where some are alive REG HARRISON ALIVE DERBYSHIRE Reg Harrison dead: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8746983/The-oldest-living-FA-Cup-winner-Reg-Harrison-dies-aged-97-surrounded-family.html 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebless 203 Posted October 8, 2020 Sam Burton dead. https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2020/october/remembering-sam-burton-1926-2020/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted October 13, 2020 Looking at a probate search reveals that Denis Howe has died: Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry Howe Denis Cecil 20 September 2020 1597313381742760 07 June 2020 Grant and will Newcastle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,585 Posted October 14, 2020 A little off topic, but I thought I'd drop this in here anyway in the hope that one of you may know, as this is your area. Football manager Alan Rogers, from Southport. If still alive he'll be 96 in December. Any knowledge of him still being around? I see he traveled to Tehran in 2006 with Frank O'Farrell and he was also given an award in 2013. Can't find anything from the last 7 years. If alive, is it fair to say he's the oldest living English football manager at a professional level (even though all the teams he managed were international)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,187 Posted October 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: A little off topic, but I thought I'd drop this in here anyway in the hope that one of you may know, as this is your area. Football manager Alan Rogers, from Southport. If still alive he'll be 96 in December. Any knowledge of him still being around? I see he traveled to Tehran in 2006 with Frank O'Farrell and he was also given an award in 2013. Can't find anything from the last 7 years. If alive, is it fair to say he's the oldest living English football manager at a professional level (even though all the teams he managed were international)? He was still alive as recently as 2016. He's not in the GRO index from 2016-2019 so one has to presume that he is still going. As for the oldest manager? I think so, I don't think any of the pre-1924 players alive (or maybe alive) ever managed. Tony Collins (born 1926) is the oldest most obvious managerial name still alive that stands out. Docherty and O'Farrell too, of course, 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
