Life Is Beautiful

I love how someone in here was saying something about the "the orange faced man in charge" and THIS is the next reply. The second picture looks AI-generated though.

Umm, probably because it wasn't: it was by far the tightest election since 2000. Biden won by a combination of 42k votes scattered across three states (GA, AZ and WI). A simple 0.05% switch from blue to red in the electorate would have given Trump a second term in 2020. There's a reason it took almost four days to call the election.

Harris is the first Presidential candidate since 1932 that failed to flip a single county. You heard that right. Not, even, a single, one. In today's polarized political environment that is a definitely a landslide. PS: Even Mondale in 1984 flipped some counties.

I'd say yes but only if those indictments/convictions/trials did not coincide so suspiciously with his third presidential run for some reason. The election is over friends, it's okay to admit that was political persecution.

This is taken out of context, add this to the "bloodbath" and "fine people on both sides" folder. Last time I checked democracyWAS still working, there was an election and the candidate with the most votes in the popular and electoral college won it. Please stop,this lazy rhetoric is why the Democrats lost. Trump was president before, he was not a dictator, and he did not end elections either. Dictators aren't welcomed by the incumbent President with open arms whilst being promised a smooth transition.

I stopped visiting the forum regularly for personal reasons a few days before the CNN debate so I missed commenting on the poll and everything else in between (assassination attempts 1 and 2, Biden dropping out, Kamala joining in, Presidential debate, VP debate...). The bulk of my posts was in late 2023/early 2024 when this whole forum barring one or two members was convinced Biden was cruising to victory because Trump's "littleMaga base" could never win him an election again, despite him having already gained an additional ELEVEN MILLION votes between 2016 and 2020. Then they'd hit you with something like "Biden won by a landslide in 2020" and then you'd have to explain to them that: 1. 2020 was an anomaly that Trump would have won easily if it weren't for COVID. 2. No, Biden won by the thinnest of margins and that despite the pandemic, Trump was 42 000 votes away from reelection. 3. Again, 2020 was a unique year with unique rules where anyone who was even half interested in voting was able to do it very easily. They would sometimes also use arguments like Dobbs or the midterms, ignoring that having a former president on the ballot completely changes perspectives. That is why " We Are Not Going Back" was such a stupid motto when so many people would have actually LOVED to go back to at least where the economy was under Trump 45. Nostalgia for anything pre-2020is real. Well, kind of agree on this but, and again you guys aren't going to like this, Donald Trump is a phenomenon. We just witnessed the greatest political comeback in modern history that no other politician in the next 100 years is probably going to accomplish. Yet there is a silver lining for liberals in here: masses are interested in him and him only. Believe it or not but since 2016, there are people, who otherwise would not be interested in voting, that show up just for Trump, and that is exactly why Trump-lite candidates like Kari Lake keep losing. I mean why have Temu Trump when you have experienced the real thing? Could you imagine an awkward sod like Vance or DeSantis having those kinds of rallies in 2028? Could you imagine ANY other Republican going on Theo Von or doing the McDonald's thing or garbage truck stunt and not look UTTERLY stupid?! Could you imagine Nikki Haley talking about the manhood of a tennis player or dancing awkwardly on stage for 40+ minutes and still look electable? Trump can because he has the charisma, humor and personality to either pull that off or get away with it. The MAGA movement probably dies in 2029 unless one of Trump's children decides to run, and even then it just won't be the same thing.

Coming back here to check on my main man mymango.

Jesus I should not have checked previous messages on here. You guys are going to look so silly in 2028 when there is no Donald Trump running anymore and a new Republican guy is on the ballot, I am sure you will still call that poor guy an "eXiStEnTiaL tHrEaT" to our democracy as well. "Guys, we promise you, JD Vance is actually Trump if Trump were effective, trust me bro democracy IS at stake this time for real."

Well I for one am glad the liberal cope/denial is coming to an end in here. I hate to say this but I did tell you so guys. If you think this thread is silly now you probably do not remember late 2023/early 2024 when I personally was ridiculed, attacked and facepalmed to oblivion (but almost never with actual arguments) because I was one of the very few who had the audacity to say Donald Trump was the favorite to win in 2024. Everyone else here was convinced in their mind that even though Trump was pulling double digits when it came to the most important issues, and ahead in swing AND national polls, Biden was going to win simply because Trump is mean and orange and cranky and fat and orange again, oh and HE'S SOOO the one with the cognitive issues, not the actual INCUMBENT in office. Trump, the one who does twelve hours of rallies daily and 3-hour long podcasts with no breaks at 78 is the doddering old fool, not Joe. Yet it turned out eventually even Biden's people THEMSELVES knew what I was preaching here. My favorite response from this thread was someone calling me an "effing Italian" for no other reason than showing him a national poll with Trump ahead. THAT was the part that was so incredible to me, I mean I can understand people not being polling nerds or political experts, but to simply REJECT real data because it does not show you what you want to believe was quite the experience lol. Now Trump not only won, he CLOBBERED Harris who had the worst presidential performance since John McCain in 2008 and the worst Democratic one since God knows when. Trump won the popular vote, the electoral college, the Senate, he carried governor's races and is on the cusp of winning the House. Heck, the man swung places like CA and NY like 12 points to his direction and was four points away from flipping FREAKING NEW JERSEY ffs. The man Democrats called Hitler (which btw is just absolutely ridiculous as an election closing message) actually won with one the largest and most racially diverse coalitions in modern election history, while the Democrats bledsupport everywhere. Now imagine how much worseALL OF THIS would have been had it still been Biden on the opposing ticket. If you still think this election is the result of 51 per cent of the electorate being xenophonic and racist and admiring someone who is "liTeRaLLy hItLeR" then our discussion stops here. This forum, just like most parts on the Internet, lives in its own political bubble, abit similar to r/politics where they were still discussing how Harris was flippingTexas and Florida like a week before the election. No one was beating Donald Trump this year, especially after the attempt. His approvals got a lot better, the fundamentals were against the Democrats, and people generally agreed with him on the issues (even if HE himself sometimes made it difficult to trust him). His campaign ran a PERFECT game, from the " bro" podcasts that gave him the young male vote to the McDonald's and "garbage truck" stunts to the seemingly random visits to Virginia and New York, while I still for the life of me cannot name you a single thing Kamala Harris stood for, except the "Trump bad" thing of course.

Alright, I can try one more time. My point is very simple: every single factor in this election should prove, theoritically, that the Republicans lose in a landslide to any cardbord cutout with a D next to it: Their chosen candidate is incredibly flawed, incredibly controversial and is hated to the point of sickness by a sizeable chunk of the electorate and even by some abroad (as brilliantly proven here by some of the posts in this thread). Not only that, he already lost to Biden, fair and square, less than four years ago. Poster below my previous post tried to make a funny by quoting some satirical British website, thinking he had a gotcha, only to further prove my point: Joe Biden is losing to a dumpster fire of a person, who now may spend a big chunk of his presidency emprisoned. Again I defy anyone to find anything nonfactual in these points that I will restate: - Donald Trump is incredibly controversial and polarizing, even within his own party (polls have shown Biden losing by an even bigger landslide to any other random Republican). - Donald Trump has suffered, up to this point, at least seven major setbacks that would have ended anyone else's political career. These setbacks not only did not slow him down, they actually have helped his public approval. - Trump is in a better position now, electorally speaking, than where he was in 2016 or in 2020, which indicates a bigger margin of victory this time. He is now +10 with independents, +15 with blacks and hispanics (which is just ridiculous) and is doing generally better with other groups. - Joe Biden is losing BADLY to Trump, like super badly. He is losing in six out of seven swing states. He is down SEVENTEEN points (!) to Trump in immigration (30 to 47), SIXTEEN in economy, FOURTEEN in inflation and another fourteen in foreign affairs and wars. And don't think that the whole "protecting democracy" thing, which is one of Biden's main talking points, is going to save him, he's' tied with Trump (38 to 38) in it. That's right, Biden and Trump are tied in protecting democracy. On top of all of this, his approval rating is in the gutter (Late 30s, which is just sad). These are, barring a miracle, insurmountable leads. No incumbent has ever been in this position and won reelection. These are facts that even the Biden administration is acknowledging at this point. You might hate them, but there is no denying them. Proof of that is that the forum member in question had no other rebuttal but to facepalm my reply and move on. Your second point is, I am sorry to say, incredibly idiotic, to basically say that 70 to 80 million Americans are stupid because they do not vote the way you want them to vote is just insulting. There are plenty of smart Republicans, and the opposite is also true for Democrats. It's always been like that. And how about the independents or those simply sitting this one out? how would you rate their IQ? This may sound incredible to you, but not every Trump voter is a MAGA-hat wearing bigot. This election is unique: the electorate has, for the first and probably only time in their lives, the opportunity to bring back the previous guy and and a big size of them thinks that their lives were better under him and thus will vote again for his POLICIES. It's their right to think like that and their right to vote the way they want to vote. I know you're not American but this "vote for us or you're stupid/not black/racist/fascist...whatever" approach is clearly not working and just about the last thing that needs to be said outloud by Democrats at this particular time. Way to win over the independents you so desperately need now guys.

Thank you for validating my point even more. The twice impeached, convicted felon-in-chief who's waving to a crowd that isn't there is still beating Biden in every possible poll and is currently the favorite to win back the presidency in November.

If Donald Trump wins reelection after all of this it will go down as the greatest political comeback of all time. What is so funny to me is that up to his first arrest, Joe Biden was comfortably leading him in the polls. So if all of this was supposed to be political persecution (and a majority of Americans seem to think just that) it has astonishingly backfired on the Democrats lol. Today, after the Hollywood Access tape, two impeachments, election denial, January 6th, 90+ indictments, a mugshot and a conviction Donald Trump is in a much better position to win the presidency than he was in 2016 or 2020. The first few polls that have came out post-verdict show that nothing has particularly changed and that Americans pretty much made up their mind about the two candidates. In fact, I just checked a HarrisX poll that has him +2 over Biden. I know you guys hate him here (or at least pretend to) but even you gotta admit this is pretty spectacular stuff from a political point of view. Howard Dean's career ended because of one goofy scream, yet a convicted felon is 1.2 points ahead of the incumbent president of the United States, five months before Election Day.

No one is above the law.

Just been mentioned at the White House Correspondents Dinner by headliner and comedian Colin Jost: https://x.com/cspan/status/1784415484252758260

Yeah, it almost looks like well, you know, political persecution. And no, this is not MAGA baloney, I am someone who thinks Donald Trump committed multiple crimes that he needs (or needed) to pay for, but I am also someone who thinks that bringing them ALL, AT THIS TIME, looks a lot like political persecution. Anyway, would be interesting to see whether his almost imminent conviction on this one case (since the other cases will now certainly have a verdict well after the election) is going to affect him with independents. Will it be met with indignation and refusal to vote for a felon, or with a simple shrug? Nobody can forecast for sure since we never had a situation like this before. Interesting times we live in.