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gcreptile    11,201

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On 15/10/2024 at 09:31, gcreptile said:

Well now Justus Frantz is copying Michael Tilson Thomas with a brain tumour and an aneurysm:

https://www.t-online.de/unterhaltung/stars/id_100509656/justus-frantz-stardirigent-beendet-karriere-wegen-tumor-diagnose.html

 

He'll be going on a final tour and isn't sure if he survives next year. But it's also not yet known what kind of tumour it is. And after all, Tilson Thomas is still alive.

Justus Frantz clarifies that he does not have a tumour, just an aneurysm in his aorta that could explode under too much strain:

https://www.bunte.de/stars/star-life/stars-privat/justus-frantz-ich-fuehle-mich-wie-mit-18.html

 

Otherwise he feels like 18, and recently announced that he lives together with his 27-year old male manager (as one parallel with Michael Tilson Thomas goes away, other one appears):

https://schwulissimo.de/klatsch/neue-liebe-mit-80-jahren-star-dirigent-justus-frantz-ist-verliebt

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Wow, I didn't expect another hit this year! 9 hits, not so bad in 2024!

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gcreptile    11,201

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Oh... Former german Ski jumping coach Wolfgang Steiert has died at age 61:

https://www.sportschau.de/regional/swr/swr-ex-bundestrainer-wolfgang-steiert-gestorben-100.html

 

He also coached the Russian team for a while. He was co-coach during Germany's successes in the late 90s/early 00s, so he was known to the audience, like me, who spent the Sunday watching winter sports. 

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2 hours ago, gcreptile said:

About 20 years later than expected... a true original.

 

I saw him out and about in the 6th district of Vienna in his prime (around 20 years ago!), and wouldn't have bet my last Sparbuch on him making it to the end of 2024.

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DACH-L Wo spricht man Deutsch? | Baamboozle - Baamboozle | The Most Fun Classroom Games!

 

Welcome to the D-A-CH-Deathlist 2025, our fifth in total!

So we have an anniversary to celebrate and hope that next year we will be given a record-breaking D-A-CH-Deathlist as a gift!

 

We should actually rename our list to D-A-CH-L-Deathlist, because we have a premiere with our first candidate from Liechtenstein.

However, since the term "D-A-CH" is recognized and used here in the forum, we would like to leave it at that and not overuse it.

But we have still included a small homage to Liechtenstein.

 

This year the „we“ means: Filenos, gcreptile, Neol Edmunds, Prophet, TomTomTelekom, WEP and Book.

 

Ich wünsche unsere Liste viel Erfolg! :flame:

 

 

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THE D-A-CH-DEATHLIST 2025    (0/50)  :skill2:

 

 

01. (13) Peter Weck, Austrian film director and actor, *12.08.1930

02. (09) Arthur Cohn, Swiss film producer, *04.02.1927

03. (03) Marianne zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn, Austrian photographer and jet set expert, *09.12.1919

04. (re) Julia Dingwort-Nusseck, German president of Landeszentralbank Lower Saxony, *06.10.1921

05. (04) Liselotte Pulver, Swiss actress, *11.10.1929

06. (---) Georg Koch, German football trainer and former goalkeeper, *03.02.1972

07. (23) Käthe Menzel-Jordan, German architect and perservationist, *07.09.1916

08. (re) Josef Fritzl, Austrian offender, *09.04.1935

09. (---) Maria Luisa Grohs, German football player and goal keeper, *13.06.2001

10. (10) Freddy Quinn, Austrian Schlager singer, *27.09.1931

11. (20) Maria Riva, German actress and daughter of Marlene Dietrich, *13.12.1924

12. (---) Horst Janson, German actor, *04.10.1935

13. (07) Ingrid van Bergen, German actress, *15.06.1931

14. (02) Armin Mueller-Stahl, German actor, *17.12.1930

15. (---) Marie Christine Princess of Liechtenstein, Liechtensteiner aristocrat, *02.09.1924

16. (---) Waltraut Haas, Austrian actress and singer, *09.06.1927

17. (15) Mario Adorf, German-Austrian actor, *08.09.1930

18. (re) Ralph Siegel, German record producer and songwriter, “Mr. Grand Prix”, *30.09.1945

19. (05) Rolf Schimpf, German actor, *14.11.1924

20. (---) Rita Süssmuth, German politician (CDU), president of the Bundestag, *17.02.1937

21. (39) Marcel Ophüls, German-French actor and documentary film maker (Oscar winner 1988), *01.11.1927

22. (19) Rosi Gollmann, German philantropist (Andheri Foundation), *09.06.1927

23. (---) Justus Frantz, German pianist, conductor and TV host, *18.05.1944

24. (---) Georg Stefan Troller, Austrian-German writer, screenwriter, director, journalist, *10.12.1921

25. (11) Jürgen Habermas, German philosopher and sociologist, *18.06.1929

26. (---) Jochen Stern, German actor and author, *10.09.1928

27. (22) Margot Friedländer, German Holocaust survivor, author and activist, *05.11.1921

28. (---) Erni Mangold, Austrian actress and director, *26.01.1927

29. (42) Werner Michael Blumenthal, German-American economist and political advisor, *03.01.1926

30. (17) Friedrich Nowottny, German television journalist and broadcast director, *16.05.1929

31. (08) Janosch, German children's book author and illustrator, *11.03.1931

32. (---) Heinz Hoenig, German actor, *24.09.1951

33. (16) Anita Kupsch, German actress, *18.05.1940

34. (---) Jeannine Schiller, Austrian Society and Charity Lady, former model, *21.02.1944

35. (---) Egon Krenz, German politician (SED), last communist leader of the GDR, *19.03.1937

36. (29) Alfred Brendel, Austrian pianist and poet, *05.01.1931

37. (30) Eric Kandel, Austrian-American neuroscientist and psychiatrist, Nobel Prize winner in 2000, *07.11.1929

38. (---) Walter Schultheiß, German actor, author and painter, *25.05.1924

39. (---) Samuel Adler, German-American composer and conductor, *04.03.1929

40. (---) Ingrid Burkhard, Austrian actress, *07.06.1931

41. (---) Eugen Gomringer, Swiss-Bolivian writer and concrete poet, *20.01.1925

42. (---) Hans-Joachim Paschmann, German politician (SPD), Mayor of Duisburg, *25.08.1947

43. (re) Ursula Andress, Swiss actress, *19.03.1936

44. (---) Otto Schenk, Austrian actor and theatre director, *12.06.1930

45. (37) Sepp Blatter, Swiss football administrator and president of the FIFA, *10.03.1936

46. (---) Antje-Katrin Kühnemann, German physician and TV host, *22.02.1945

47. (---) Lutz Jahoda, German actor, singer and entertainer, *18.06.1927

48. (---) Klaus-Michael Kühne, German billionaire businessman, richest German, *02.06.1937

49. (---) Tony Bauer, German comedian, *28.10.1995

50. (46) Friedrich Georg Beckhaus, German actor and voice actor, *11.12.1927

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These candidates were not considered or received too few points in our vote. So these are our this year’s dropouts:

 

14. Giovanni Arvaneh

18. Anita Lasker-Wallfisch

24. Christiane Kubrick

25. Peter Max

27. Gardy Granaß

28. Bruce Willis

32. Joachim Kerzel

33. Enzi Fuchs

35. Nadja Seipel

36. Gerhart Baum

38. Erich John

40. Claudia Porsche

41. Peter Sichel

43. Markus Schächter

44. Michael Schumacher

45. Günther Noll

48. Matthias Hey

50. Hans-Peter Korff

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msc    18,648

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Habermas, Adorf, Mueller-Stahl, the old legends still there! :D

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22 minutes ago, msc said:

Habermas, Adorf, Mueller-Stahl, the old legends still there! :D

 

Yes, they are trying to achieve the status that Kirk Douglas had on the official DL :P

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3 minutes ago, Book said:

 

Yes, they are trying to achieve the status that Kirk Douglas had on the official DL :P

 

Kirk Douglas was only in Spartacus and other A list films, was he a bad guy in the X-Files like Armin Mueller-Stahl? I think not! :lol:

 

(Nah, I think all three are cool, for the record.)

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7 minutes ago, msc said:

 

Kirk Douglas was only in Spartacus and other A list films, was he a bad guy in the X-Files like Armin Mueller-Stahl? I think not! :lol:

 

(Nah, I think all three are cool, for the record.)

 

Hehe, I was thinking more of 18 appearances :lol:

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gcreptile    11,201

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This list is spanning 85 years!

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Thanks, Book, for the effort in organizing all of this. This might be the best DACH list so far.

Let's analyze it:

Peter Weck: Not a lot of news; he’s still recovering from his stroke and is apparently wheelchair-bound but still lives in his flat and is mentally clear. He'll turn 95 this year, though, and with his health history, he could go at any time, so I'll give him a 45% chance of dying.

Arthur Cohn: 98 years old this year—an age where you really can't make many predictions for the future. He hasn't received a lot of media coverage since his 90th birthday, so let's give him a 40% chance of dying.

Marianne zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn: Just old, but at 105, there are certainly worse candidates. Her remaining life expectancy would be 1.5 years, and her chances of dying this year lie statistically around 50%, so that's the number I'll give her. She's in extraordinarily good condition for her age, though, and I could easily see her becoming a supercentenarian at one point.

Julia Dingwort-Nusseck: Will be 104 in October; she was the first female president of the State Bank of Lower Saxony. She sounded extremely frail in an interview at 103 but looks 15 years younger. I’m giving her a 55% chance of dying this year because she's not very public, unlike Marianne zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn, so we can only speculate about her health status.

Lieselotte Pulver: Nothing new; she still lives in a nursing home in Switzerland and feels alone. She's about to turn 96 this year, so I’ll give her a 45% chance of dying this year.

Georg Koch: Diagnosed with Stage IV pancreatic cancer in 2023 and was given 6 months to live back then. He said he didn't want to do chemotherapy but preferred a "new medication from the United States." Currently, he's undergoing chemotherapy and says that he has good days and bad days when he can't even get out of bed. A sign that his miracle drug isn't working anymore? It doesn’t have to be the case; he has exceeded all expectations so far, so I would say that a 70% chance of dying this year sounds about right, considering advances in cancer treatments.

Käthe Menzel-Jordan: The doyenne of our list; she seems to be in good condition for her age and became an honorary citizen of her hometown of Erfurt last year. At 108, the odds of living much longer surely must play against her, though. I think this might be her last year, but I’d love to be proven wrong—she's an amazing lady. So I’ll give her a 70% chance of dying this year.

Josef Fritzl: His dementia diagnosis seems to have been confirmed now, but something has been seriously wrong in his head for the past 90 years, and this has never been a hurdle for him so far—30% chance of dying this year.

Marie-Luise Grohs: Goalkeeper of the women's soccer team of FC Bayern Munich. She had a tumor last year; both operations have been successful, and she'll be back to training in January. She doesn’t look like she needs chemotherapy or even radiation—5% chance of dying, maybe even less than that.

Horst Janson: A famous German actor who had a role in "Sesame Street" and also had a short career as a singer in the 70s. He suffered a hemorrhagic stroke back in August, was put on life support, and then, after being released from the hospital, he fell down the stairs, broke his hand, and suffered brain bleeding again. In the clinic, he infected himself with hospital germs but recovered from that. Now he's in rehab and on his way to recovery. The doctors seem quite optimistic; he surely had a lot of luck this year. Either he'll kick the bucket, or he’ll earn a place on Drol's Immortal list. I would give him a 75% chance of dying for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if he stays on the list for a couple of years. Considering that he's going to turn 90 this year, he has had a lot of luck to survive all of this; he seems to be very resilient.

Mario Adorf: He couldn't attend an award ceremony in September due to an undisclosed illness and said that this was probably going to be the last award he'll receive during his lifetime. As he's about to turn 95, these are not good signs; I think he could go this year—55% chance of dying.

Ralph Siegel: He fought against cancer again this year but defeated it for the fourth time, which his doctors called a miracle—20% chance of dying this year.

Rolf Schimpf: His health history is well-known; he retired in 2007, has lived in a nursing home since 2010, lost his wife, and had to move to a different nursing home when he ran out of money. He was almost blind for a while after a failed operation and continues to defy all odds. He recently turned 100 years old in November, and in 2023, his doctor said that he hopes he can live another "two or three years." I'll give him a 75% chance of dying this year.

Rita Süssmuth: She was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer in 2021, which is incurable. Her disease is treatable, though, and she undergoes chemotherapy, which must be pretty exhausting for a woman who's about to turn 88. She says that she doesn't want this disease to slow her down and still works—55% chance of dying.

Marcel Ophüls: He hasn't been in the public eye much since his 90th birthday and looked great back then, much like Arthur Cohn, who’s the same age as him. So I'll also say there’s a 40% chance of dying this year for him, the same as Arthur.

Rosi Gollmann: She’s about to turn 98 and had a fall a while ago—55% chance of dying.

Justus Frantz: A German conductor who has recently become known for his admiration of Vladimir Putin. He announced a farewell tour for 2025 after doctors diagnosed him with a brain tumor, but there would need to be more examinations to make a definitive diagnosis. Later, he said that he doesn't have a brain tumor but an aneurysm on his heart instead. The life-saving operation is scheduled for this year. If he doesn't drop dead this year, we should drop him next year—35% chance of dying, and that's guessed high. He seems to be more like our Daniel Barenboim than our Michael Tilson Thomas.

Georg Stefan Troller: As healthy as a 103-year-old can be, but that's relative. As a man, he’s also biologically at a disadvantage compared to his peers, like Julia Dingwort-Nusseck and zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn, and perhaps more akin to Käthe Menzel-Jordan; I also give him a 70% chance of dying this year.

Jürgen Habermas: At 95 years of age, he doesn't give interviews anymore, but seems to be quite active otherwise. He has become a bit quieter in recent years—45% chance of dying this year.

Jochen Stern: In great condition, but at 96 years of age, you can never know; I wouldn't want to "miss" him—40% chance of dying this year.

Margot Friedländer: She still walks unaided at 104, participates in talk shows, attends public events, and gives talks at schools. Due to her age, I give her a 55% chance of dying, but I think she’ll be with us for many more years to come.

Erni Mangold: From her appearance alone, you would think she'd become a centenarian one day, but she had a severe fall around four years ago and then disappeared from public life. Now she’s about to turn 98, and I’m not so sure about her reaching 100 anymore. There hasn’t been any news about her since her 95th birthday, and no news is sometimes bad news—60% chance of dying this year.

W. Michael Blumenthal: Former Director of the Jewish Museum in Berlin; he is 98 years old and is working on his first crime novel right now. I don't think he's going to die this year—40%.

Friedrich Nowottny: He’s doing well for a 95-year-old. He gave an interview last year about his worries regarding the war in Ukraine, where he talked a bit about his time in the Volkssturm at the end of WWII. He didn't look too bad—40% chance of dying this year.

Janosch: Only in his early 90s, but he seems like one of those names who could die completely out of the blue—35% chance of dying this year.

Heinz Hoenig: He's probably mainly known for his role in the legendary WWII classic "Das Boot" (1981). He has struggled with heart issues and other health problems over the last year, was placed in an artificial coma for a while, and had to be reanimated twice. He also had a hole in his esophagus due to a bacterial infection, which needed to be removed. Due to his weak health, doctors currently cannot perform a life-saving operation on his aorta, which is scheduled to happen this year if everything goes as planned. He’s definitely optimistic about it and recently gave an interview where he said he’s not "ill," while simultaneously looking like he’s in his 90s. Objectively, it seems he’s not going to make it long, but it looked even worse last year. He’s also "only" 73 compared to some other folks with similar problems, and maybe his newborn son will give him new strength. Let's say a 60% chance of dying; if he were a decade older, that number would be a lot higher.

Anita Kupsch: She struggled with cancer and a fall in the past but had a role in a theater play last year and looked okay for 84—30% chance of dying this year.

Jeannine Schiller: A former model from Austria who will turn 81 this year. She suffers from dementia and has had three strokes in recent years. She is bed-bound, needs 24/7 care, weighs only 90 pounds, and needs to be fed by a tube. The disease progressed quite fast since 2021 when she withdrew from the public. Her situation is similar to Cindy Birdsong. I would give her a 75% chance of dying.

Egon Krenz: The last Communist leader of the GDR, will turn 88 this year—a number he probably hates as a devoted anti-fascist. He was treated in a hospital when he was 84 due to the pain of an injury he apparently acquired from "doing excessive sports." If mental gymnastics about GDR atrocities counts as sports, I understand how that could make him exhausted. I'm not too sure about him; these old GDR politicians seem to last long. His old friend Heinz Keßler made it to 97, so he’s still a good replacement for the empty spot that Hans Modrow left on the D-A-CH Deathlist—20% chance of dying.

Alfred Brendel: He had back surgery in 2019 and cannot hear too well nowadays, which is sad for a world-class pianist like him—40% chance of dying.

Eric Kandel: The first one to prove that learning and remembering cause anatomical changes in the brain. He really did some fieldwork in neurology and deservedly got the Nobel Prize in 2000. Chemical reactions in my brain convince me that he'll survive this year, though—35% chance of dying.

Walter Schultheiß: He still appeared in movies until he retired in 2021 after his wife's death. He gave an interview last year for his 100th birthday and doesn't seem to be in the worst condition. He’s a bit like the West German Herbert Köfer in this regard, who also acted until he was 99—50% chance of dying.

Samuel Adler: Another old conductor; not much is known about his health—40%.

Ingrid Burkhard: Seems to enjoy her retirement—30%.

Eugen Gomringer: Nothing special about his health aside from the fact that he's about to turn 100—50%.

Hans-Joachim Paschmann: A district mayor of Duisburg—maybe the least famous name on this year's list, but a good candidate nonetheless. He has pancreatic cancer at 77, which is why he had to retire this year. He previously survived cancer in 2008. If I had to put my money on one of the people on this list dying, it would probably be him—85% chance of dying this year.

Ursula Andress: She has had osteoporosis for ages now, which is painful but not necessarily lethal—35% chance of dying this year.

Otto Schenk: He lost his wife in 2022, cannot walk anymore, and seems to have lost his will to live based on interviews. He also had a femoral neck fracture in 2010 when he fell from his bicycle at the age of 80, and he could be a goner this year—60% chance of dying this year.

Sepp Blatter: He has been hospitalized a few times and was placed in an artificial coma once—55% chance of dying this year.

Klaus-Michael Kühne: The richest man in Germany and an important shareholder of Lufthansa. He'll be 88 this year and had a heart valve defect 8 years ago, which required open-heart surgery to fix. He's a supporter of the Green Party. Unlike other parties in the broken coalition government, they seem to be quite stable in the polls, so he probably won't have a heart attack on election day next year when the results come in. As a billionaire, he will surely love a coalition between the CDU and Greens, which is one of the likeliest scenarios right now—25% chance of dying, considering his health history.

Antje-Kathrin Kühnemann: She survived breast cancer, lost her husband a few years ago, and is in pain due to multiple operations on her feet, hands, and back due to falls and overloads. She hopes to die so that the pain finally ends. She certainly wants to be a hit on the DACH list, but life is unpredictable and her health doesn't seem to be so bad—25% chance of dying this year.

Lutz Jahoda: A German entertainer in the GDR. He had to cancel a gig in 2017 and hasn't given interviews since his 95th birthday. He'll be 98 this year—55% chance of dying this year.

Tony Bauer: A German comedian who's only 30 years old. He had to drop out of "Let's Dance" because of short-bowel syndrome, a disease he's had since he was eight. He was in a coma three times because of this illness, and his small intestine had to be removed. The long-term survival chance for kids with that disease seems to be quite good, though. I would say he's worth the gamble this year, although I cannot really see him dying yet—10% chance of dying this year.

Friedrich Georg Beckhaus: A lot of old German voice actors have passed away recently, so maybe it’s reasonable to keep him on the list just in case—50%.

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