Aristocrats

[YoungWillz 21,050]

David Penny, 3rd Viscount Marchwood, former managing director of Moet et Chandon, death notice: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/259953/marchwood

 

Heir apparent is Peter Penny (b. 1965).

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On 1 July 2022, the well-known Belarusian and Polish social activist and publisher, Count Aleksandr Pruszynski, passed away in Minsk (Belarus).

 

Aleksander Pruszynski was the son of Polish poet and diplomat Xaverius Pruszynski. He was born in 1934 in Rogoznica estate in Grodno region. He emigrated with his family to Poland. He later lived in the US, France and Canada where he was involved in business and publishing.

 

He took part in the election campaign in 1994. The extravagant Count Pruszynski was not allowed to run because he had not collected the necessary number of signatures for the nomination. But even then the mad agrofuhrer, as noted in a leaflet, "attacked the working office of Pruszynski".

 

And the Belarusians are still reaping the fruits of nearly 30 years of dictatorship.

 

Photo 1. Alexander Prushinsky

Photo 2. An election leaflet of 1994

 

https://www.svaboda.org/a/31928226.html

 

 

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On 16/01/2021 at 12:38, Thatcher said:

Baron Benjamin de Rothschild has died aged 57.

 

Obituaries: Daily Mail, Financial Times

Sir Evelyn de Rotschild dead at 91.

[gcreptile 10,972]

Lord Cheltenham, a peer for the Liberals has died at 74:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-63597057

 

He had previously survived an attack with a samurai sword.

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7 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Lord Cheltenham, a peer for the Liberals has died at 74:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-63597057

 

He had previously survived an attack with a samurai sword.

Lord Jones of Cheltenham, or just Lord Jones.

 

Not Lord Cheltenham.

 

Also, already posted in Political Frailty by moi.

 

Also, he’s not an aristocrat.

 

Not like you to be off the mark gcreptile!

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2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Lord Jones of Cheltenham, or just Lord Jones.

 

Not Lord Cheltenham.

 

Also, already posted in Political Frailty by moi.

 

Also, he’s not an aristocrat.

 

Not like you to be off the mark gcreptile!

Oh, that's why my search couldn't find him (I did search!). I'm not going to lie... the whole House of Lords thing is a little obscure for me.

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13 hours ago, gcreptile said:

Oh, that's why my search couldn't find him (I did search!). I'm not going to lie... the whole House of Lords thing is a little obscure for me.

Easiest way I can explain it to you is there are hereditary peers who inherit their titles after the previous holder (usually their father or brother) dies. These titles were all created between the 1300s and 1984. The easiest way to spot a hereditary peer is by their numbering e.g. “the 3rd Lord Monk Bretton” or “John Dodson, 3rd Baron Monk Bretton”. 

 

In 1958, a new law gave permission for the creation of “life peerages”. This allowed commoners to be given titles which would give them the right to sit in the House of Lords BUT when they die, so does the title. So it isn’t inherited, and thus these people are not part of the aristocracy. Nigel Jones is an example of a life peer.

 

Today the House of Lords consists almost entirely of life peers. Of the ~800 members, less than 100 are hereditary peers.
 

Around 1200 aristocratic families lost their right to sit in the House of Lords in 1999, when Tony Blair changed the law. However, they still retain their titles and their titles are still inherited once they die.

 

Also, everyone with the title of “Earl”, “Viscount”, “Duke”, or “Marquess” is a hereditary peer (and thus an aristocrat) – these titles are all superior to “Lord/Baron”, with Duke being the highest title someone outside of the Royal family can hold.

 

Does that help or is it still quite blurry?

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16 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Easiest way I can explain it you is there are hereditary peers who inherit their titles after the previous holder (usually their father or brother) dies. These titles were all created between the 1300s and 1984. The easiest way to spot a hereditary peer is by their numbering e.g. “the 3rd Lord Monk Bretton” or “John Dodson, 3rd Baron Monk Bretton”. 

 

In 1958, a new law gave permission for the creation of “life peerages”. This allowed commoners to be given titles which would give them the right to sit in the House of Lords BUT when they die, so does the title. So it isn’t inherited, and thus these people are not part of the aristocracy. Nigel Jones is an example of a life peer.

 

Today the House of Lords consists almost entirely of life peers. Of the ~800 members, less than 100 are hereditary peers.
 

Around 1200 aristocratic families lost their right to sit in the House of Lords in 1999, when Tony Blair changed the law. However, they still retain their titles and their titles are still inherited once they die.

 

Also, everyone with the title of “Earl”, “Viscount”, “Duke”, or “Marquess” is a hereditary peer (and thus an aristocrat) – these titles are all superior to “Lord/Baron”, with Duke being the highest title someone outside of the Royal family can hold.

 

Does that help or is it still quite blurry?

Yeah, I didn't know that life peers are now in the vast majority. I thought they were the exception. Two weeks ago, I watched a video on Canada's upper chamber. The House of Lords now reminds me of this.

[YoungWillz 21,050]

On 11/09/2022 at 16:03, YoungWillz said:

Updating the list of Dukes, Marquesses and Earls who will reach 80 or over by or in 2023 (again, Wiki is my friend, any errors are theirs):

 

Scotland:

 

Patrick Hope-Johnstone, 11th Earl of Annandale and Hartfell (b. 1941)

Death Notice for the Earl of Annandale and Hartfell's wife, Susan Hope-Johnstone: HOPE JOHNSTONE - Deaths Announcements - Telegraph Announcements

[Ulitzer95 12,638]

Lord Canoys (wiki) died this morning, aged 82.

 

Hereditary peer and banker at Barclays who became the first Roman Catholic Lord Chamberlain since the Reformation.

 

Also an early CEO of Amex.

 

Telegraph obit.

[Ulitzer95 12,638]

Guardian obit for Nicholas Herbert, 3rd Baron Hemingford (wiki), aged 88.

Journalist for The Times and the Cambridge Evening News. He sat as a Crossbench peer in the House of Lords between 1982 and 1999.



His second wife was novelist and children's writer Jill Paton Walsh (wiki, 1937–2020)
 

[YoungWillz 21,050]

Earl of Elgin's elder sister, Lady Martha Bruce, former governor of Cornton Vale and Greenock prisons, reported dead aged 101: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2023/01/the-lady-martha-veronica-bruce-obe-1921.html

 

Wiki (mention): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bruce,_10th_Earl_of_Elgin

 

The Earl still has a living older sister! And some younger siblings.

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2 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

Earl of Elgin's elder sister, Lady Martha Bruce, former governor of Cornton Vale and Greenock prisons, reported dead aged 101: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2023/01/the-lady-martha-veronica-bruce-obe-1921.html

 

Wiki (mention): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bruce,_10th_Earl_of_Elgin

 

The Earl still has a living older sister! And some younger siblings.

 

Some enviable genetics in the Bruce family!

[YoungWillz 21,050]

Death Notice of Lady Anne Nevill (nee Wallop), a daughter of Gerard Wallop, 9th Earl of Portsmouth, and widow of Lord Rupert Nevill, a former President of the British Olympic Association and private secretary to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/262189/nevill

 

Lady Nevill was a childhood friend of the late Queen Elizabeth II. She was 97. Her husband died as long ago as 1982.

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On 11/09/2022 at 16:03, YoungWillz said:

Updating the list of Dukes, Marquesses and Earls who will reach 80 or over by or in 2023 (again, Wiki is my friend, any errors are theirs):

 

Marquesses:

 

Nigel Paulet, 18th Marquess of Winchester (b. 1941)

 

The 18th Marquess of Winchester appears to have died (very) off radar in South Africa in 2016.

I'm working on a source at the moment so his Wiki page can be updated.

[Ulitzer95 12,638]

16 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

The 18th Marquess of Winchester appears to have died (very) off radar in South Africa in 2016.

I'm working on a source at the moment so his Wiki page can be updated.

Done.

He died in Gauteng on 8 April 2016, aged 74. His son technically succeeded to his title, but it looks like he has never formally claimed it.

Very strange case indeed. A contributing member of the House of Lords for 30+ years and senior aristocrat. Surely there must be a reason for their privacy.

Edit: I see his widow, the Marchioness died on 25 February 2019. Her death notice is in the same source here.

[YoungWillz 21,050]

On 11/09/2022 at 16:03, YoungWillz said:

Thomas Pakenham, 8th Earl of Longford (b. 1933)

His wife, author and journalist Valerie Pakenham (nee Scott) Telegraph Obit: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2023/02/01/valerie-pakenham-obituary-ireland-architecture-tullynally-castle/

 

Might mean the 8th Earl's hold on life might be on a shoogly peg.

[YoungWillz 21,050]

John Yarde-Buller, 5th Baron Churston, the family invested in carrying one of the Golden Spurs at the Coronation of Kings and Queens of the UK, has died before getting to Chuck III's coronation later this year: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-5th-baron-churston-1934-2023.html and https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/king-charles-coronation-guest-list-aristocrats-invites-b2xtzjjcx

 

That privilege will presumably extend to his successor, Benjamin Yarde-Buller (b. 1974). 

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24 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

John Yarde-Buller, 5th Baron Churston, the family invested in carrying one of the Golden Spurs at the Coronation of Kings and Queens of the UK, has died before getting to Chuck III's coronation later this year: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-5th-baron-churston-1934-2023.html and https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/king-charles-coronation-guest-list-aristocrats-invites-b2xtzjjcx

 

That privilege will presumably extend to his successor, Benjamin Yarde-Buller (b. 1974). 

His son has said he doesn’t want to do it according to The Times article linked on the Wiki recent deaths page.

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Just now, Ulitzer95 said:

His son has said he doesn’t want to do it according to The Times article linked on the Wiki recent deaths page.

Maybe someone with access to that article might want to do a list of folk entitled to do the honours - give us an indication of ages and families. 

[YoungWillz 21,050]

Christopher MacAndrew, 3rd Baron MacAndrew, death notice: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/262872/macandrew

 

His son Oliver (b. 1983) is the heir apparent.

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On 05/10/2021 at 00:29, YoungWillz said:

Countess Ruth Beatrice Meyer-Bechtler, wife of Robert Lindsay, 29th Earl of Crawford, has died aged 96: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/252591/crawford

 

The former MP and peer really should be on radar now. He is of course a current DDP pick.

Report here that Robert Lindsay, hereditary peer and former MP has died aged 96: http://www.clanlindsaysociety.co.uk/lindsay-news/

 

A DDP pick.

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5 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Report here that Robert Lindsay, hereditary peer and former MP has died aged 96: http://www.clanlindsaysociety.co.uk/lindsay-news/

 

A DDP pick.

 

Lord Balniel. A shortlisted name for me....back when I made my DDP debut. One of the dwindling members of the Heath Government (though a few usual suspects had very early minor roles ie Heseltine, Ken Clarke etc). 

 

Worth noting he was also chairman of the charity we now know as Mind, spent a lot of his parliamentary career campaigning for more money towards mental health care (which was an outlier fight even more than today 60 years ago), and helped expel the Church of Scientology from aforementioned charity for their quackery. 

[YoungWillz 21,050]

3 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

Report here that Robert Lindsay, hereditary peer and former MP has died aged 96: http://www.clanlindsaysociety.co.uk/lindsay-news/

 

A DDP pick.

There's yer DDP QO @gcreptile: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2023/03/19/earl-crawford-balcarres-tory-defence-minister-last-survivor/

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First unique hit I have had in a fair while.