Aristocrats

[YoungWillz 19,106]

On 19/09/2022 at 11:40, Gooseberry Crumble said:

David Ogilvy,  Earl of Airlie  spotted at the Queens funeral

 

 

 

On 19/09/2022 at 11:43, Sean said:

Looks like he might not make it through the service.

Ogilvy, 13th Earl of Airlie reportedly hasn't made it through 2023: 

DDP pick I'm sure.

[Sir Creep 7,013]

Ugh I think I dropped him from last year.

Edit: yessir.  A solo for @Perhaps

[Perhaps 1,367]

Also the first notable faller that attended the Queen’s funeral, unless I’ve missed anyone. 

[Gooseberry Crumble 5,211]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

 

Ogilvy, 13th Earl of Airlie reportedly hasn't made it through 2023: 

DDP pick I'm sure.

Yes but not by me this year!! I'm glad it's not on the list of the missed anyway!

[ThereWillBeDeaths7 597]

1 hour ago, Perhaps said:

Also the first notable faller that attended the Queen’s funeral, unless I’ve missed anyone. 

As well as the last surviving participant of the coronation of King George VI in 1937.

[Comped 368]

8 hours ago, ThereWillBeDeaths7 said:

As well as the last surviving participant of the coronation of King George VI in 1937.

To think he only saw 3 coronations in his entire lifetime, and 1 of them was just weeks before he died.

[alt obits guy 3,098]

Lord Michael Baden-Powell, 4th Baron of Gilwell and the grandson of scouting founder Lord Robert Baden-Powell, has died. He was 82.

 

https://scoutsvictoria.com.au/about-us/news/gone-home-lord-michael-baden-powell-4th-baron-of-gilwell/

[Ulitzer95 11,088]

Times death notice for David Lawrence, 5th Baron Lawrence (wiki), aged 85.

Crossbench member of the House of Lords (1968–1999).

No heir, and thus the peerage is now extinct.

[Gisooo 2,553]

Rodney Elton, 2nd Baron Elton (Wiki) dead at 93

 

as a hereditary peer

13 May 1973 – 11 November 1999

[Ulitzer95 11,088]

Telegraph death notice for Fraser Richards, 2nd Baron Milverton, aged 93.

Conservative member of the House of Lords from 1978 to 1999.

The new Lord Milverton is his younger brother, who is 87.

[alt obits guy 3,098]

Alan Haworth, Baron Haworth, a Labour peer,  a secretary of the parliamentary Labour Party from 1992 to 2004 and member of the House of Lords since 2004, has died while on vacation in Iceland. He was 75.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/labour-iceland-house-of-lords-reykjavik-tony-blair-b2400821.html

[YoungWillz 19,106]

20 minutes ago, alt obits guy said:

Alan Haworth, Baron Howarth, a Labour peer,  a secretary of the parliamentary Labour Party from 1992 to 2004 and member of the House of Lords since 2004, has died while on vacation in Iceland. He was 75.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/labour-iceland-house-of-lords-reykjavik-tony-blair-b2400821.html

Well, he was at some points an MP, so strictly speaking he's a Political Frailty bod, rather than here.

 

Oops, I got my Haworths and Howarths mixed up. Apologies. Nevertheless, not an aristocrat (you know, bloodlines and shit) and should be a political frailty fucker who by sheer patronage got elevated.

[Comped 368]

15 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

Well, he was at some points an MP, so strictly speaking he's a Political Frailty bod, rather than here.

 

Oops, I got my Haworths and Howarths mixed up. Apologies. Nevertheless, not an aristocrat (you know, bloodlines and shit) and should be a political frailty fucker who by sheer patronage got elevated.

Life peers don't count! Then again they should have never reformed the House of Lords in the first place... Now every prime minister tries to stack the crap out of it.

[YoungWillz 19,106]

8 minutes ago, Comped said:

Life peers don't count! Then again they should have never reformed the House of Lords in the first place... Now every prime minister tries to stack the crap out of it.

Not for this thread anyway.

 

For our non-native readers (and indeed some of our native readers) apply the Floella Benjamin test. What were they before they reached the Lords?

 

A businessperson elevated to the Lords? Businesspersons thread.

 

A TV presenter elevated to the Lords? Presenters thread.

 

A composer or musician elevated to the Lords? Take your pick, plenty of threads out there.

 

Union leader elevated to the Lords? Union People thread.

 

None of these people above go in the Political Frailty thread either. Unless they were a political advisor, a local Council leader, etc etc, these folk are not politicians in the sense of the word - the Lords is not strictly a law making body.

 

Generally for here you are looking for folk in hereditary positions, Papa or Grandpapa or Great Grandpapa-papa was a holder of a title which they have inherited. Maybe even their spouses or siblings might squeeze in. And the vast majority of these folk do not currently sit in the Lords.

 

There's your crib sheet.

[Bibliogryphon 8,662]

5 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Not for this thread anyway.

 

For our non-native readers (and indeed some of our native readers) apply the Floella Benjamin test. What were they before they reached the Lords?

 

A businessperson elevated to the Lords? Businesspersons thread.

 

A TV presenter elevated to the Lords? Presenters thread.

 

A composer or musician elevated to the Lords? Take your pick, plenty of threads out there.

 

Union leader elevated to the Lords? Union People thread.

 

None of these people above go in the Political Frailty thread either. Unless they were a political advisor, a local Council leader, etc etc, these folk are not politicians in the sense of the word - the Lords is not strictly a law making body.

 

Generally for here you are looking for folk in hereditary positions, Papa or Grandpapa or Great Grandpapa-papa was a holder of a title which they have inherited. Maybe even their spouses or siblings might squeeze in. And the vast majority of these folk do not currently sit in the Lords.

 

There's your crib sheet.

 

 

Or we could have a special thread for members of the house of Lords - The End of the Peer show!!

[YoungWillz 19,106]

3 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said:

 

 

Or we could have a special thread for members of the house of Lords - The End of the Peer show!!

Don't you very dare! 

 

I forgot to add the line I was going to use - You can't make a nob out of a knob!

[Bibliogryphon 8,662]

1 minute ago, YoungWillz said:

Don't you very dare! 

 

I forgot to add the line I was going to use - You can't make a nob out of a knob!

 

If only that were true

 

Players of the original Scavenger Hunt game got a crash course in the nature of the operation of the Upper House but I agree whilst it is an excellent source of deadpool fodder it does not need its own thread

[YoungWillz 19,106]

Death notice for Michael Brougham, 5th Baron Brougham and Vaux, who was one of the few surviving hereditary peers who became an original elected hereditary peer of the House of Lords when the number of hereditary peers entitled to sit was reduced (I think to 92): https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/brougham-notices_53260

 

He was 85.

[Ulitzer95 11,088]

7 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

Death notice for Michael Brougham, 5th Baron Brougham and Vaux, who was one of the few surviving hereditary peers who became an original elected hereditary peer of the House of Lords when the number of hereditary peers entitled to sit was reduced (I think to 92): https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/brougham-notices_53260

 

He was 85.

36 of the original 92 are still members of the House.

 

“One of the last”… you should write obituaries for Tuskegee Airmen.  

[YoungWillz 19,106]

3 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

36 of the original 92 are still members of the House.

 

“One of the last”… you should write obituaries for Tuskegee Airmen.  

I never wrote "one of the last". You should read more. 

 

Brougham sat in the Lords for 56 years. The age at death of Steve Harwell. Hardly a credit to Parliament.

[YoungWillz 19,106]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

I never wrote "one of the last". You should read more. 

 

Brougham sat in the Lords for 56 years. The age at death of Steve Harwell. Hardly a credit to Parliament.

Of note to deadpoolers, Raymond Jolliffe, 5th Baron Hylton who sat as a crossbencher for 55 years and another of those pesky original 92 elected hereditaries, retired from the Lords according to this official announcement: https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-09-04/debates/238A70AE-A909-4276-AE73-0C5BE73592BA/RetirementsOfMembersLordHyltonAndLordSelkirkOfDouglas

 

He is 91.

[Ulitzer95 11,088]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

Of note to deadpoolers, Raymond Jolliffe, 5th Baron Hylton who sat as a crossbencher for 55 years and another of those pesky original 92 elected hereditaries, retired from the Lords according to this official announcement: https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-09-04/debates/238A70AE-A909-4276-AE73-0C5BE73592BA/RetirementsOfMembersLordHyltonAndLordSelkirkOfDouglas

 

He is 91.

 

“You should read more.”

[YoungWillz 19,106]

1 minute ago, Ulitzer95 said:

 

“You should read more.”

You had him in Political Frailty. Quite the wrong place. He's an aristo, not a politician. I did search for Jolliffe and found nothing.

 

I also found your post by searching for James Douglas-Hamilton, which is why I did not report his retirement.

 

See my crib sheet earlier. Nothing wrong with me reporting yesterday's official announcement in the correct thread. 

[YoungWillz 19,106]

Updating the list of Dukes, Marquesses and Earls who have reached or will reach 80 or over by or in 2024 (again, Wiki is my friend, any errors are theirs):

 

Dukes:

 

Peregrine Cavendish, 12th Duke of Devonshire (b.1944)

James Graham, 8th Duke of Montrose (b. 1935)

James Hamilton, 5th Duke of Abercorn (b. 1934)

Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1944)

Prince Edward, 2nd Duke of Kent (b. 1935)

Murray de Vere Beauclerk, 14th Duke of St Albans (b. 1939)

Francis Egerton, 7th Duke of Sutherland (b. 1940)

 

Marquesses:

 

Granville Gordon, 13th Marquess of Huntly (b. 1944)

David Douglas, 12th Marquess of Queensberry (b. 1929)

Charles Petty-Fitzmaurice, 9th Marquess of Lansdowne (b. 1941)

John Tottenham, 9th Marquess of Ely (b.1943)

Michael Cecil, 8th Marquess of Exeter (b. 1935)

David Pratt, 6th Marquess Camden (b. 1930)

Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury (b. 1926)

Mark Dundas, 4th Marquess of Zetland (b. 1937)

Simon Isaacs, 4th Marquess of Reading (b. 1942)

 

Earls:

 

England:

 

Richard Bertie, 14th Earl of Lindsey and 9th Earl of Abingdon (b. 1931)

John Montagu, 11th Earl of Sandwich (b. 1943)

Paul Capell, 11th Earl of Essex (b. 1944)

George Coventry, 13th Earl of Coventry (b. 1939)

 

Scotland:

 

Margaret of Mar, 31st Countess of Mar (b. 1940)

Ian Maitland, 18th Earl of Lauderdale (b. 1937)

Andrew Bruce, 11th Earl of Elgin and 15th Earl of Kincardine (b. 1924)

Patrick Carnegy, 15th Earl of Northesk (b. 1940)

Filippo Rospigliosi, 11th Prince Rospigliosi and 12th Earl of Newburgh (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Patrick Hope-Johnstone, 11th Earl of Annandale and Hartfell (b. 1941)

Peter St John, 9th Earl of Orkney (b. 1938)

Ian Ogilvie-Grant, 13th Earl of Seafield (b. 1939)

Neil Primrose, 7th Earl of Rosebery and 3rd Earl of Midlothian (b. 1929)

Patrick Boyle, 10th Earl of Glasgow (b. 1939)

 

Great Britain:

 

Richard Parker, 9th Earl of Macclesfield (b. 1943) - No individual Wiki Page

James Waldegrave, 13th Earl Waldegrave (b. 1940)

George Hobart-Hampden, 10th Earl of Buckinghamshire (b.1944)

Robin Fox-Strangways, 10th Earl of Ilchester (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

 

Ireland:

 

William Anthony Nugent, 13th Earl of Westmeath (b. 1928)

John Brabazon, 15th Earl of Meath (b. 1941) - No Individual Wiki Page

Roger Lambart, 13th Earl of Cavan (b. 1944) - No Individual Wiki Page

Derry Moore, 12th Earl of Drogheda (b. 1937)

Myles Ponsonby, 12th Earl of Bessborough (b. 1941)

Arthur Gore, 9th Earl of Arran (b. 1938)

John Savile, 8th Earl of Mexborough (b. 1931) - No individual Wiki Page

David Turnour, 8th Earl Winterton (b. 1943) - No individual Wiki Page

Robert Jocelyn, 10th Earl of Roden (b. 1938) - No individual Wiki Page

Thomas Pakenham, 8th Earl of Longford (b. 1933)

George Dawson-Damer, 7th Earl of Portarlington (b. 1938) - No individual Wiki Page

Michael Annesley, 12th Earl of Annesley (b. 1933) - No individual Wiki Page

Andrew Cole, 7th Earl of Enniskillen (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Arthur Stuart, 8th Earl Castle Stewart (b. 1928; d. 2023)

Richard Hely-Hutchinson, 8th Earl of Donoughmore (b. 1927)

Charles Acheson, 7th Earl of Gosford (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Brendan Parsons, 7th Earl of Rosse (b. 1936)

Sir Richard Needham, 6th Earl of Kilmorey (b. 1942)

 

United Kingdom:

 

John Pelham, 9th Earl of Chichester (b. 1944)

Francis Grosvenor, 8th Earl of Wilton (b. 1934)

Philip Grey, 7th Earl Grey (b. 1940)

Keith Rous, 6th Earl of Stradbroke (b. 1937) - No individual Wiki Page

Simon Cairns, 6th Earl Cairns (b. 1939)

Gathorne Gathorne-Hardy, 5th Earl Cranbrook (b. 1933)

Edward Foljambe, 5th Earl of Liverpool (b. 1944)

Peter Mackay, 4th Earl of Inchcape (b. 1943)

Peter Wood, 3rd Earl of Halifax (b. 1944)

Shane Alexander, 2nd Earl Alexander of Tunis (b. 1935)

Alexander MacMillan, 2nd Earl of Stockton (b. 1943)

[YoungWillz 19,106]

Sir Richard Houldsworth, 5th Baronet of the Houldsworth baronets death notice: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/houldsworth-notices_53610

 

Heir apparent is Simon Houldsworth (b. 1971).