That UK Election Thing

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

 

 

 

It's a recipe for the kind of "democracy" enjoyed by much of the western world in which a multitude of parties have to fight it out because nobody wins outright.

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

 

It's a recipe for the kind of "democracy" enjoyed by much of the western world in which a multitude of parties have to fight it out because nobody wins outright.

Only if you change the voting system to accurretely corret votes

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

 

 

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

 

It's a recipe for the kind of "democracy" enjoyed by much of the western world in which a multitude of parties have to fight it out because nobody wins outright.

Only if you change the voting system to accurretely corret votes

 

I am suspecting that the minor parties will suffer from what I will call the Scotland effect. Many voters will claim they are going to vote UKIP or Green but at the last minute fear of 'letting the wrong one in' will bring out the basic tribal instincts and we will get a narrow majority for one of the two major parties.

 

Ironically I think this may not apply to the SNP who could seriously damage Labour's chances of an outright majority.

[Windsor 2,233]

 

 

 

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

 

It's a recipe for the kind of "democracy" enjoyed by much of the western world in which a multitude of parties have to fight it out because nobody wins outright.

Only if you change the voting system to accurretely corret votes

 

I am suspecting that the minor parties will suffer from what I will call the Scotland effect. Many voters will claim they are going to vote UKIP or Green but at the last minute fear of 'letting the wrong one in' will bring out the basic tribal instincts and we will get a narrow majority for one of the two major parties.

 

Ironically I think this may not apply to the SNP who could seriously damage Labour's chances of an outright majority.

 

 

The SNP will be destroyed.

 

That is all.

[the_engineer 1,415]

 

 

 

 

 

Time for a change in this country if your right wing support UKIP if your left wing support the greens .

That is a recipe for the status quo.

Except on a much more hardline basis - similar to the late 70s and early 80s.

 

It's a recipe for the kind of "democracy" enjoyed by much of the western world in which a multitude of parties have to fight it out because nobody wins outright.

Only if you change the voting system to accurretely corret votes

 

I am suspecting that the minor parties will suffer from what I will call the Scotland effect. Many voters will claim they are going to vote UKIP or Green but at the last minute fear of 'letting the wrong one in' will bring out the basic tribal instincts and we will get a narrow majority for one of the two major parties.

 

Ironically I think this may not apply to the SNP who could seriously damage Labour's chances of an outright majority.

 

 

 

The SNP have claimed though they will go into coalition with labour or largest party but only if they end austerity and give them devo max . So stopping labour get an overall majority won't mean anything I don't think if SNP get a good chunk of seats , as they will most likely go into a coalition together if both their seat totals equal over 320 .

 

I actually think this is the most likely scenario for the 2015 election.

[Guest Guest]

so what do y'all think the result of the election is going to be? I think Cameron will form a coalition with UKIP

[Dr. Zorders 1,271]

so what do y'all think the result of the election is going to be? I think Cameron will form a coalition with UKIP

It's still too early and awful to say.

[Cat O'Falk 3,290]

so what do y'all think the result of the election is going to be? I think Cameron will form a coalition with UKIP

I think you're correct; I also think that Boeing and Airbus will go bankrupt when Porcine Aviation Inc. takes off big time next year.

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

I think one notable casualty of the coming election will be The Sun newspaper's consistent boast that it is them "what won it." They've been able to lord it over the opposition in these terms since - apparently - swaying the 1992 vote with their "last person in Britain please turn out the lights" front page expressing horror at the thought of Neil Kinnock in Downing Street. Today there's a corker of a front page about Ed Milliband being the fourth most powerful person in Doncaster. But as the polls continue to predict near deadlock with the - likely - scenario that only the SNP amongst the minor parties will pack enough votes to be a meaningful partner in government, The Sun will never be able to bring itself to suggest that is the outcome it wanted.

 

So:

 

Still think Lab/SNP agreement (not coalition) with some far reaching bills dragged forward quickly demanding transparency in political funding (i.e. wealthy tax exile Tory donors legally move to the UK and pay tax or get barred), also maybe capping of election expenditure and transparency in that area too (so Tories can't outspend Labour 5 to 1 or whatever it is this year). No EU in/out vote and some major devo-max legislation. After which their agreement looks shaky and we might be voting again in October (though the internal war that will follow the Conservative loss might well reshape them under a new leader). Could Boris go from new MP to Prime Minister in five months?

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

I think one notable casualty of the coming election will be The Sun newspaper's consistent boast that it is them "what won it." They've been able to lord it over the opposition in these terms since - apparently - swaying the 1992 vote with their "last person in Britain please turn out the lights" front page expressing horror at the thought of Neil Kinnock in Downing Street. Today there's a corker of a front page about Ed Milliband being the fourth most powerful person in Doncaster. But as the polls continue to predict near deadlock with the - likely - scenario that only the SNP amongst the minor parties will pack enough votes to be a meaningful partner in government, The Sun will never be able to bring itself to suggest that is the outcome it wanted.

 

So:

 

Still think Lab/SNP agreement (not coalition) with some far reaching bills dragged forward quickly demanding transparency in political funding (i.e. wealthy tax exile Tory donors legally move to the UK and pay tax or get barred), also maybe capping of election expenditure and transparency in that area too (so Tories can't outspend Labour 5 to 1 or whatever it is this year). No EU in/out vote and some major devo-max legislation. After which their agreement looks shaky and we might be voting again in October (though the internal war that will follow the Conservative loss might well reshape them under a new leader). Could Boris go from new MP to Prime Minister in five months?

The SNP are going to have to play this one carefully. They should look at the current Lib Dem poll ratings and see the potential pitfalls.

 

Of course those people voting SNP probably voted Labour last time so the are getting Socialism-max rather than Socialism-lite under EM.

[msc 18,477]

The Sun went heavily in for Cameron in 2010, and were a Nick Clegg having any negotiating nous away from humble pie.

 

Doubt there will be too elections this year though - for the simple reason Labour can't afford a second one.

 

 

Boris, Theresa May, Osborne, Gove, even folk like Liam Fox all want the leadership, its been far too long since our last good old fashioned Tory bloodbath, I say.

[Deathray 2,940]

The only problem with that is if the Tories are still electing when the Lab/SNP agreement fails as they could theoretically keep Labour in power with no power (the two third rule at it's counter productive best)

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

The Sun went heavily in for Cameron in 2010, and were a Nick Clegg having any negotiating nous away from humble pie.

 

Doubt there will be too elections this year though - for the simple reason Labour can't afford a second one.

 

 

Boris, Theresa May, Osborne, Gove, even folk like Liam Fox all want the leadership, its been far too long since our last good old fashioned Tory bloodbath, I say.

Watch out for Sajid Javid emerging from the said bloodbath.

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

 

I think one notable casualty of the coming election will be The Sun newspaper's consistent boast that it is them "what won it." They've been able to lord it over the opposition in these terms since - apparently - swaying the 1992 vote with their "last person in Britain please turn out the lights" front page expressing horror at the thought of Neil Kinnock in Downing Street. Today there's a corker of a front page about Ed Milliband being the fourth most powerful person in Doncaster. But as the polls continue to predict near deadlock with the - likely - scenario that only the SNP amongst the minor parties will pack enough votes to be a meaningful partner in government, The Sun will never be able to bring itself to suggest that is the outcome it wanted.

 

So:

 

Still think Lab/SNP agreement (not coalition) with some far reaching bills dragged forward quickly demanding transparency in political funding (i.e. wealthy tax exile Tory donors legally move to the UK and pay tax or get barred), also maybe capping of election expenditure and transparency in that area too (so Tories can't outspend Labour 5 to 1 or whatever it is this year). No EU in/out vote and some major devo-max legislation. After which their agreement looks shaky and we might be voting again in October (though the internal war that will follow the Conservative loss might well reshape them under a new leader). Could Boris go from new MP to Prime Minister in five months?

The SNP are going to have to play this one carefully. They should look at the current Lib Dem poll ratings and see the potential pitfalls.

 

Of course those people voting SNP probably voted Labour last time so the are getting Socialism-max rather than Socialism-lite under EM.

 

 

Totally agree about the "careful" SNP, but Salmond will be on site after being elected to Westminster, and he's way more savvy than Thick Clegg. The one mistake they won't make is signing up to a binding agreement to be led by Ed.

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

 

 

I think one notable casualty of the coming election will be The Sun newspaper's consistent boast that it is them "what won it." They've been able to lord it over the opposition in these terms since - apparently - swaying the 1992 vote with their "last person in Britain please turn out the lights" front page expressing horror at the thought of Neil Kinnock in Downing Street. Today there's a corker of a front page about Ed Milliband being the fourth most powerful person in Doncaster. But as the polls continue to predict near deadlock with the - likely - scenario that only the SNP amongst the minor parties will pack enough votes to be a meaningful partner in government, The Sun will never be able to bring itself to suggest that is the outcome it wanted.

 

So:

 

Still think Lab/SNP agreement (not coalition) with some far reaching bills dragged forward quickly demanding transparency in political funding (i.e. wealthy tax exile Tory donors legally move to the UK and pay tax or get barred), also maybe capping of election expenditure and transparency in that area too (so Tories can't outspend Labour 5 to 1 or whatever it is this year). No EU in/out vote and some major devo-max legislation. After which their agreement looks shaky and we might be voting again in October (though the internal war that will follow the Conservative loss might well reshape them under a new leader). Could Boris go from new MP to Prime Minister in five months?

The SNP are going to have to play this one carefully. They should look at the current Lib Dem poll ratings and see the potential pitfalls.

 

Of course those people voting SNP probably voted Labour last time so the are getting Socialism-max rather than Socialism-lite under EM.

 

 

Totally agree about the "careful" SNP, but Salmond will be on site after being elected to Westminster, and he's way more savvy than Thick Clegg. The one mistake they won't make is signing up to a binding agreement to be led by Ed.

 

Even that could turn sour for the SNP. If Westmister turns into the Salmond show Nicola Sturgeon could feel that she has been sidelined and fobbed off. Internal fighting could be bitter.

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

So, Cameron will do a seven way 90 minute sound-bite fest, or nowt.

 

How's this gonna work itself out, then?

 

The Miliband vs empty chair debate would be a PR disaster for Cameron and probs worth staging because the world-wide rights to that footage would earn decent money (how many other precedents are there for a leader who refused to turn up and argue for his current job back?)

[msc 18,477]

I'm not very good at PR myself, but I suggest when you make a decision that allows the likes of Nick Clegg and George Galloway to make political points against you, you've kind of fucked up.

[Dr. Zorders 1,271]

So, Cameron will do a seven way 90 minute sound-bite fest, or nowt.

 

How's this gonna work itself out, then?

 

The Miliband vs empty chair debate would be a PR disaster for Cameron and probs worth staging because the world-wide rights to that footage would earn decent money (how many other precedents are there for a leader who refused to turn up and argue for his current job back?)

The real debate story MPFC is how Cameron suddenly and hilariously decided that the Greens (and every other shitty little party) were oh-so-important and desperately lassoed them into the picture like a shoplifter jumping into a crowd of hobos to hide himself from the toddling security guards, because he was too scared to debate Farage effectively "one-on-one" in a triple-threat debate with Wallace in which Wallace's role would ultimately end up being about as memorable and meaningful as Ken Shamrock's in the brilliant three-man cage match between The Rock, Shamrock and Mankind at WWF's "Breakdown" PPV in September 1998

 

BTW, speaking of Wallace, how fucking shit is his party and its supporters in the media and general populace that they can't even manage a poll lead against a pale ghoul of a human being who looks like he dines on bats, and his deranged mates who enjoy tipping crippled fuckers out of their wheelchairs into the gutter just for the sick amusement and the paltry few quid it saved?

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

I'm not very good at PR myself, but I suggest when you make a decision that allows the likes of Nick Clegg and George Galloway to make political points against you, you've kind of fucked up.

 

 

Fair point. Mind, Cameron's nasty party are - arguably - better option for dead pooling because they'll keep slashing benefits and contribute readily to the deaths of the aged and infirm (handy if these people also count as war heroes, the last member of some once famous organisation and the like).

[themaninblack 2,112]

Cameron has the ace card of political balance in his hand. Broadcasters won't be allowed to leave out the governing party as it would be against electoral law. Ah well, it's an American thing anyway and that only works there because they only have two parties.

 

This could have consequences in the next parliament however. Should the Tories hobble along as a minority government they'll get shit all done because the opposing parties hate their guts and will stop them passing any laws.

 

Interesting times ahead...

[Deathray 2,940]

Not sure it would actually be against electoral law as they invited them in the form of their leader and they refused. That should be sufficient to allow the broadcasters to empty chair him.

[msc 18,477]

Not sure it would actually be against electoral law as they invited them in the form of their leader and they refused. That should be sufficient to allow the broadcasters to empty chair him.

 

"This next question is solely for the Tub of Lard..."

[Deathray 2,940]

Ah well played Cameron. Get the DUP to stop the debates completely and prevent your embarrassment amin return for preferential treatment in coalition forming.