Deathray 2,940 Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul Bearer said: That lot couldn't agree on the colour of shite. Although it is just worth ranking yesterdays votes and May's deal votes. Second Referendum: Peoples Vote Ayes 268 Noes 295 Customs Union Ayes 264 Noes 272 Mays Deal Second Vote Ayes 242 Noes 391 Labour's Plan Ayes 237 Noes 307 Mays Deal First Vote Ayes 202 Noes 432 Common Market 2.0 Ayes 188 Noes 283 Revocation Ayes 184 Noes 293 No Deal Ayes 160 Noes 400 Contingent Preferential Arrangements Ayes 139 Noes 422 EFTA EEA Ayes 65 Noes 377 So both the people's vote and Ken Clarke's Customs Union have more chance of getting through parliament than May's deal. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paddyfool 379 Posted March 28, 2019 To be fair, I think it would be better to rank them by number of no votes rather than by number of yes votes. The indicative vote process is meant to rule out the least popular options in the first round, with those who abstain being potentially convincible but not fully sold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, paddyfool said: To be fair, I think it would be better to rank them by number of no votes rather than by number of yes votes. The indicative vote process is meant to rule out the least popular options in the first round, with those who abstain being potentially convincible but not fully sold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted March 28, 2019 And now she's decided to vote on half her deal rather than the whole thing despite them both being contingent of eachother. Crapfest. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted March 29, 2019 Even half a "deal" is rejected. Who is laughing now Tezza? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,387 Posted March 29, 2019 AYES: 286 NOES: 344 SURPRISES: 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted March 29, 2019 Lot of sense in this speech from the AfD leader in the Bundestag Not that anyone will listen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,387 Posted March 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: Lot of sense in this speech from the AfD leader in the Bundestag Not that anyone will listen. Alice Weidel is right in that an internally reformed EU is the answer; basically what Cameron tried to achieve when reviewing our relationship with the EU before the referendum (and, largely, achieved). The UK leaving is an extraordinary act of self harm, and likewise the Macrons and Barniers of the organisation actively stoking the fire and the Merkels and Verhofstadts demonstrating such arrogance in what is a difficult time for all of us is also an act of self harm for the EU. We're all tearing ourselves limb from limb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted March 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Quim Reaper said: We're all tearing ourselves limb from limb. Steady on - I'm just working a bit late and having a spicy chilli with some chocolate and sea salt and black pepper cashews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted March 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: Steady on - I'm just working a bit late and having a spicy chilli with some chocolate and sea salt and black pepper cashews. Next year. Grim Up North said: "Have you seen the fucking prices of chocolate, cashews and chilli?!!!!!" 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted March 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Next year. Grim Up North said: "Have you seen the fucking prices of chocolate, cashews and chilli?!!!!!" They're not so cheap now!! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Grim Up North said: They're not so cheap now!! Imagine them after hyper-inflation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted March 30, 2019 PM taking if at first you don't succeed, try try and try again a bit too literally. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,136 Posted March 30, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47756122 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIP Wee Jum 1,559 Posted March 30, 2019 In The Land Of Make Beleive 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,387 Posted April 1, 2019 Four proposals are being voted on today, with results expected about 2200 GMT. Motion C: Customs Union - May's ruled this out before, as it would hinder the UK's chances of striking our own independent deals. Eases the NI backstop problems a bit, but otherwise makes fuck all sense. Certainly not as much sense as... Motion D: Common Market 2.0 - Basically the Norway deal, at last getting some consideration. Keeps us in the EEA and EFTA. Widely considered the least damaging way, mutually for the EU and the UK, of us leaving, whilst exempting us of having to abide by EU's home/justice guidelines and meaning we don't have to be in the Customs Union. Motion E: Confirmatory Public Vote - A second referendum. The public have to approve the deal parliament arrives at. Whether that referendum means the deal or remaining is unclear, though I should imagine it would. Interestingly, when it was tabled by Dame Margaret Beckett, it received the most Ayes of all the amendments of that fateful day. Motion G: Parliamentary Supremacy - Basically tackles the issue of having no consensus, in that if they can't agree a deal in parliament and subsequently an extension to Article 50 with the EU, they vote between No Deal and Revoking A50. Makes sense, really. Labour may be whipped to back Motion D, apparently. It does seem a likely compromise for the Leave-Remain sides. Certainly, I myself feel if we are going to leave, this motion is the way to go about it. A bit like if I were to catch cancer, I'd sooner have a little removable mole on my face than a Bracknell-esque lung. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted April 1, 2019 MPs have another bash at attempting to do more than nothing.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted April 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, Deathray said: MPs have another bash at attempting to do more than nothing.... The Noes have it on everything! Adorable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted April 1, 2019 Boles walks out of the Tory party. It's all going titsup! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,387 Posted April 1, 2019 Fuck me. What a shower of arse jalfrezi. House of Commons indicative votes Mk.2, results: (C) Customs Union AYES: 273 NOES: 276 (D) Common Market 2.0 AYES: 261 NOES: 282 (E) Confirmatory Public Vote AYES: 280 NOES: 292 (G) Parliamentary Supremacy AYES: 191 NOES: 292 I can't help but think that this is as close as Commons can get to any sort of majority, such is the division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted April 1, 2019 Fucking hell. Should suspend all these buffoons pay until they actually agree to do something. Nicholas Boles resigning from the Tory Party is justified to be honest. 33 of his party voted for Common Market 2.0. Surely there's dozens more Tory MPs who could have got behind that as a compromise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,136 Posted April 1, 2019 Come back Guy Fawkes, and have another go. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted April 1, 2019 I’m sure there must be a reason why this approach is not being used but it seems quite easy to solve the current deadlock. Start with 10 options - all MPs vote - option with least votes drops out. Vote again with only the 9 options - option with least votes drops out. Voting stops when one option has clear majority. If final vote is tied PM has casting vote. If winning vote is not Mrs May’s deal then they would have to go back to EU but at least they would have sorted their shit out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted April 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: I’m sure there must be a reason why this approach is not being used but it seems quite easy to solve the current deadlock. Start with 10 options - all MPs vote - option with least votes drops out. Vote again with only the 9 options - option with least votes drops out. Voting stops when one option has clear majority. If final vote is tied PM has casting vote. If winning vote is not Mrs May’s deal then they would have to go back to EU but at least they would have sorted their shit out. Don't even need to do that. Just get them to rank them 1-10 and the one with most overall support wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
