Ulitzer95 12,844 Posted January 22, 2022 Can we all give the COVID related stuff a rest? Let’s appreciate the big man and his response to encountering Avid Merrion in the noughties: 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,755 Posted January 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, Salmon Mousse said: Again, the jabs did absolutely nothing to alter the seasonal trajectory of the virus... hell, if anything, they led to a lot of jabbed folks confidently writing off their mild symptoms and going out to aid the spread (not that there was never an alternative to endemicity). UK figures: 2021 peak: Cases: January 6th - 62,322 Hospitalisations: January 12th - 4,583 Deaths: January 23rd - 1,348 2022 peak: Cases: January 5th - 193,814 Hospitalisations: December 28th - 2,291 Deaths: January 18th - 438 3 times the cases. Half the hospitalisations. A third the deaths. That didn't happen by accident. If the Omicron variant had been the first wave of Covid-19, it would have spread further and faster and there would have been even more deaths than there have been. The vaccine protects against severe disease (in most cases), reducing deaths and improving outcomes. By all means, you do you, but I'll never understand why people spend so much time telling scientists - who've spent their life's works researching these subjects and preparing for these challenges - that they don't know what they're talking about. 5 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCemetaryMan 53 Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, MortalCaso said: I refuse to let you spread lies and then end the conversation. I will use U.S numbers as that is where I am from and therefor most familiar with. From June 2021 - September 2021 85% of those hospitalized in the U.S were unvaccinated or yet to receive two doses (Moderna + Pfizer). The breakdown in ages may surprise you. In unvaccinated, 36% were age 18-49 + 30% were age 50-69 + 29% 65+ In vaccinated, the numbers drop to 10% + 21% + then sharply increase to 69% You may not be a statistics major, but tell me which numbers look better to you? Keep in only 15% of the entire country of the United States who were hospitalized with COVID-19 in a 4 month period last year were vaccinated. Of those nearly 3/4 were elderly. Not only that! Those who we vaccinated had, on average, 1.1 less days in the hospital than those who were unvaccinated. All those people in the hospital prevent others from urgent medical attention, hence lockdowns!! What a study more recent? Here is something from the state of Washington. Statistics are showing a trend now? Facts and logic tend to do that. As for talking about how the vaccine doesn't stop those from contracting it or anyone from spreading it. 1. Educate yourself on what a vaccine is. It is a copy of the virus. You are GIVING yourself the virus in order to provoke an immune response. The whole purpose is so that when/if you do catch the virus your body already knows how to fight it! 2. The reason it doesn't stop those from spreading it any longer, which is a true statement...most data suggests that the vaccine no longer works as efficiently as it did at stopping the spread. This is because people chose to not get the vaccine. Omicron, Delta, etc. 3. Here is how the coronavirus forms variants. When it goes from person to person, it mutates. Sometimes this is a small mutation, other times it is a large mutation. Sometimes it is many mutations, other times it is none at all! The original virus and variants of it did not spread as well when vaccines were first introduced. This is fact, if I need to produce data showing this just let me know! Less spreading of the virus = less mutations. Is it any wonder that these mutations have popped up in countries where the majority of people were unvaccinated? There is so much information available online that disputes every single anti-vax conspiracy theory. The vaccine saves lives. If you don't want the shot? Fine that is your choice. Don't be ignorant on it though. That is what you look like, a miserable ignorant cunt who is forcing us to be locked down for another year. If you don't want the shot, accept you can't eat certain places or work one place or another. That's all these vaccine mandates really do. As of November 2021 the CDC says, based on data available, you are 15x more likely to die from COVID-19 as unvaccinated than vaccinated. Meatloaf once said, "If I die, I die, but I'm not going to be controlled." via mask and vaccine mandates. News flash, he died from COVID-19. As have many with that mindset. I'm sure you will comment how the data lies and hospitals report more cases/deaths for money etc. etc. I'm sure with no proof or maybe from a website "www.COVID-19hoax.com". Not responding to any comments on this post. Educate yourselves people. Been almost 2 years. Getting old. I sense you do not like being challenged. Being forced/coerced/black mailed is illegal. You are not responding to any comments means what exactly? You keep face palming my comments - You have my attention, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salmon Mousse 473 Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours ago, RoverAndOut said: UK figures: 2021 peak: Cases: January 6th - 62,322 Hospitalisations: January 12th - 4,583 Deaths: January 23rd - 1,348 2022 peak: Cases: January 5th - 193,814 Hospitalisations: December 28th - 2,291 Deaths: January 18th - 438 3 times the cases. Half the hospitalisations. A third the deaths. That didn't happen by accident. If the Omicron variant had been the first wave of Covid-19, it would have spread further and faster and there would have been even more deaths than there have been. The vaccine protects against severe disease (in most cases), reducing deaths and improving outcomes. By all means, you do you, but I'll never understand why people spend so much time telling scientists - who've spent their life's works researching these subjects and preparing for these challenges - that they don't know what they're talking about. Agree with Ulitzer that it is time to move on but will say that what we seem to actually be seeing here, from year to year, is an attenuating virus, that had already made it's way thru the most vulnerable sector of the population, coupled with a massive increase in testing. Giving credit to the jabs still seems akin to giving credit to my collapsing wooden fence for keeping rhinos out of the yard. Not all scientists are in agreement, by the way.... but, again, we need to just move on... sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natquen 46 Posted January 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Salmon Mousse said: Not all scientists are in agreement, by the way.... I'd love for you to provide an example of a phenomenon for which one dissenting scientist (as in, you know, one with actual research qualifications who is employed in scientific research) does not exist. That's not how science works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salmon Mousse 473 Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, natquen said: I'd love for you to provide an example of a phenomenon for which one dissenting scientist does not exist. That's not how science works. Well... yeah... that was kinda the point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,263 Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, natquen said: I'd love for you to provide an example of a phenomenon for which one dissenting scientist does not exist. That's not how science works. My guess is his two older brothers and Glenn Beck are the dissenting scientists… 1 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natquen 46 Posted January 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Salmon Mousse said: Well... yeah... that was kinda the point No. The point you were making is that we have to question the value of COVID vaccines because not all of the scientists agree. If you are only swayed by all scientists agreeing on something, that would leave very little for you to actually believe in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salmon Mousse 473 Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, natquen said: No. The point you were making is that we have to question the value of COVID vaccines because not all of the scientists agree. If you are only swayed by all scientists agreeing on something, that would leave very little for you to actually believe in. No, he claimed a total scientific consensus, I said that didn't exist, you said that never exists, then you reinterpreted what happened in a peculiar way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,755 Posted January 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Salmon Mousse said: Agree with Ulitzer that it is time to move on but will say that what we seem to actually be seeing here, from year to year, is an attenuating virus, that had already made it's way thru the most vulnerable sector of the population, coupled with a massive increase in testing. Giving credit to the jabs still seems akin to giving credit to my collapsing wooden fence for keeping rhinos out of the yard. Not all scientists are in agreement, by the way.... but, again, we need to just move on... sorry I also agree with moving on, my post was already on its way before I saw Ulitzer's last night. Just to say, there's no evidence that exposure to Covid-19 means lifelong immunity, which is why the jabs and the booster have been important. Anyway, RIP Mr Loaf. A one-of-a-kind performer and a fairly big death, in every sense. My mum was particularly sad yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
