dead PW Botha

[maryportfuncity 10,645]

PW BOTHA IS A GREAT MAN!!!!

 

 

Think I mentioned this before but:

 

Does anyone else remember the Spitting Images sketch where he was featured 'telling the truth' after he ranted for a while about the fact that 'Salmon live in trees and eat pencils,' he announced 'reform in South Africa is on the way,' before a group of blacks stormed up behind him, stabbed him and said....'You can't put a better bit of Botha on your knife!'

 

Classic.

[Guest Ian]

Listed as a Dictator, wrong, ex RSA State President

Anyone ruling a country where 3/4 th of its voting age citizens were not allowed to vote is a dictator.

This isn't true. Would you describe the USA and UK Presidents/Prime Ministers before women got the vote as dictators. No I think not. The truth is PW Botha was elected to both the positions of Prime Minister and State President not just by whties, but by coloured people and Asians in elections without intimidation. Don't forget that Mandela (a Xhosa) and the ANC violently attacked the IFP and the Zulu people. Also PW said he would release Mandela from prison if he apologized for the violence the ANC caused. Also black were perfectly entitled to vote in their own homelands, some of them independent republics. You don't see Mbeki giving the whites an independent homeland. PW knew that the ANC was closely related to the SACP (communist party) and was trying to overthrow a legal regime that had slowly evolved. Remember most other African countries at this time were one party socialist 3rd world states whilst South Africa was a 1st world country which had a multi party democracy. The ANC was even legal until Mandela and his chums started killing innocent people. Don't forget that the Mandela's were ruthless people who would torture and kill anyone who opposed them often by burning people alive. PW stood up for what he believed in and for the Afrikaner people unlike De Klerk who gave South Africa to the ANC which has sadly turned a jewel of Africa in to the highest rape/murder ratio of any country in the wor;d

[MyBrainHurts2 4]

Would you describe the USA and UK Presidents/Prime Ministers before women got the vote as dictators.

 

 

We hate them all the same (**kicks unregistered twunt off his soapbox**)

[maryportfuncity 10,645]

Ian mate

 

As the inhabitant of a neglected corner of the world cruelly abandoned by distant government and yet strangely part of a first world country I can see both sides of yer argument. However I still think yer overly kind to PW and a bit harsh on the others. A few points, first off the ANC deserve credit for what's been achieved. A short hop over the border to Zimbabwe might bring you up to speed on the perils of handing over a country largely owned and run by whites of European origin to more local interests. Secondly, Mandela may have had a few excitable friends but his statesman qualities and his ability to network with a range of powerful world leaders have helped South Africa to connections on the world stage that provide the place with hope of a stable future. Granted, his wife's involvement with that 'football team' was sectarian politics of the lowest order.

 

Sure, there's a shitload of problems to be sorted, one key one being the search for someone who can bestride the whole sorry mess like Mandela but a step back to the likes of PW and his ilk wouldn't be a smart move now.

 

By the way, did Mandela United - that team that Winnie Mandela had dealings with - ever play any games or was there entire existence limited to going round to see their mates and killing them?

[The Four Horsemen 26]

I'm going to South Africa in November, so I'll report back on the political situation and Mr Botha's health later in the year. Unless he dies beforehand of course, in which case I'll limit myself to politics and the state of South African beer.

[Banshees Scream 110]

I'm going to South Africa in November, so I'll report back on the political situation and Mr Botha's health later in the year. Unless he dies beforehand of course, in which case I'll limit myself to politics and the state of South African beer.

 

Or deep thinking.

[Guest Ian]

Ian mate

 

As the inhabitant of a neglected corner of the world cruelly abandoned by distant government and yet strangely part of a first world country I can see both sides of yer argument. However I still think yer overly kind to PW and a bit harsh on the others. A few points, first off the ANC deserve credit for what's been achieved. A short hop over the border to Zimbabwe might bring you up to speed on the perils of handing over a country largely owned and run by whites of European origin to more local interests. Secondly, Mandela may have had a few excitable friends but his statesman qualities and his ability to network with a range of powerful world leaders have helped South Africa to connections on the world stage that provide the place with hope of a stable future. Granted, his wife's involvement with that 'football team' was sectarian politics of the lowest order.

 

Sure, there's a shitload of problems to be sorted, one key one being the search for someone who can bestride the whole sorry mess like Mandela but a step back to the likes of PW and his ilk wouldn't be a smart move now.

 

By the way, did Mandela United - that team that Winnie Mandela had dealings with - ever play any games or was there entire existence limited to going round to see their mates and killing them?

 

I know I'm probably being overly harsh on Mandela and the ANC but with over two thirds in parliament the ANC must be kept in check. Remember that Mugabe was reguarded in the same way as Mandela is now in the 1980s, he "liberated" Rhodesia. However I feel that there are double standards in the world, most people ignore what black African leaders do e.g. there has been a huge civil war in which DRC where millions have been killed but is hardly been mentioned on the news also Mugabe killed more Ndeble in his first few years in office than all of those killed under apartheid and white rule in Rhodesia combined. I am not saying that PW was the greatest man that ever lived, but he was definitely not a dictator-he swore in Helen Suzman to parliament and all elections were free and fair. Remember PW had to tread carefully; the USA although opposed to white rule needed PW to fight against the communists in Angola.

 

Also with reguard to land reform (stealing) in Zimbabwe/Rhodesia. It is well known that many in the ANC admire Mugabe for what he is doing and want the same in SA. I must defent Mbeki here as he does not want this, but I fear for the once great country of SA when Mbeki leaves office.

[DevonDeathTrip 2,358]

Ian mate

 

As the inhabitant of a neglected corner of the world cruelly abandoned by distant government and yet strangely part of a first world country I can see both sides of yer argument. However I still think yer overly kind to PW and a bit harsh on the others. A few points, first off the ANC deserve credit for what's been achieved. A short hop over the border to Zimbabwe might bring you up to speed on the perils of handing over a country largely owned and run by whites of European origin to more local interests. Secondly, Mandela may have had a few excitable friends but his statesman qualities and his ability to network with a range of powerful world leaders have helped South Africa to connections on the world stage that provide the place with hope of a stable future. Granted, his wife's involvement with that 'football team' was sectarian politics of the lowest order.

 

Sure, there's a shitload of problems to be sorted, one key one being the search for someone who can bestride the whole sorry mess like Mandela but a step back to the likes of PW and his ilk wouldn't be a smart move now.

 

By the way, did Mandela United - that team that Winnie Mandela had dealings with - ever play any games or was there entire existence limited to going round to see their mates and killing them?

 

I know I'm probably being overly harsh on Mandela and the ANC but with over two thirds in parliament the ANC must be kept in check. Remember that Mugabe was reguarded in the same way as Mandela is now in the 1980s, he "liberated" Rhodesia. However I feel that there are double standards in the world, most people ignore what black African leaders do e.g. there has been a huge civil war in which DRC where millions have been killed but is hardly been mentioned on the news also Mugabe killed more Ndeble in his first few years in office than all of those killed under apartheid and white rule in Rhodesia combined. I am not saying that PW was the greatest man that ever lived, but he was definitely not a dictator-he swore in Helen Suzman to parliament and all elections were free and fair. Remember PW had to tread carefully; the USA although opposed to white rule needed PW to fight against the communists in Angola.

 

Also with reguard to land reform (stealing) in Zimbabwe/Rhodesia. It is well known that many in the ANC admire Mugabe for what he is doing and want the same in SA. I must defent Mbeki here as he does not want this, but I fear for the once great country of SA when Mbeki leaves office.

 

 

Good points Sir.

 

I also fear for South Africa's future, more selfishly I feel that the next World Cup when hosted in South Africa could end up as one of the biggest sporting fiascos ever. The infrastructure of the nation needs to improve light years for it to be successful enough to be compared with the current tournament in Germany. Sadly SA seems to be declining; I worry that by 2010 things will be much worse.

 

The majority of the stadiums have still to be built and what politician can justify to his own people spending millions on a 70 000 seat arena or seven, when AIDS sufferers in their hundreds of thousands are denied basic healthcare?

 

Right off my soapbox and back to death, anyone know how Desmond Tutu is doing? I'm sure he had a brush with cancer back along.

[MyBrainHurts2 4]

Tutu had prostate cancer about 10 years ago. I think it's pretty safe to say, being this far removed in time, that he's safe.

[maryportfuncity 10,645]

The majority of the stadiums have still to be built and what politician can justify to his own people spending millions on a 70 000 seat arena or seven, when AIDS sufferers in their hundreds of thousands are denied basic healthcare?

 

Are you suggesting human life is more important than football....HERETIC!!!!!

[Guest Guest]

The majority of the stadiums have still to be built and what politician can justify to his own people spending millions on a 70 000 seat arena or seven, when AIDS sufferers in their hundreds of thousands are denied basic healthcare?

 

Are you suggesting human life is more important than football....HERETIC!!!!!

 

At least by spending money on stadiums it will be obvious if the ANC is diverting money towards overseas bank accounts for corupt officals. The AIDS programmes in SA are a joke. Mbeki publicly said that the HIV virus and AIDS were not connected. Also J.Zuma, head of one of the AIDS programmes claimed that he showered after having sex with a HIV positive women saying he thought this would prevent him getting aids. And if you are really desperate you can take the advice of SA health minister and eat garlic. She claims that this will prevent you getting aids.

[Tempus Fugit 214]

The majority of the stadiums have still to be built and what politician can justify to his own people spending millions on a 70 000 seat arena or seven, when AIDS sufferers in their hundreds of thousands are denied basic healthcare?

 

Are you suggesting human life is more important than football....HERETIC!!!!!

 

At least by spending money on stadiums it will be obvious if the ANC is diverting money towards overseas bank accounts for corupt officals. The AIDS programmes in SA are a joke. Mbeki publicly said that the HIV virus and AIDS were not connected. Also J.Zuma, head of one of the AIDS programmes claimed that he showered after having sex with a HIV positive women saying he thought this would prevent him getting aids. And if you are really desperate you can take the advice of SA health minister and eat garlic. She claims that this will prevent you getting aids.

If you're going to make claims like that be so good as to provide a link to a reputable news source, so we can all see the veracity of said statements.

 

Otherwise be so good as to FUCKOFF.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tempus Fugit.

[Banshees Scream 110]

Now this may be worth reading.

[maryportfuncity 10,645]

Zuma's dealings with the AIDS infected woman were for real. Scary as it seems these claims were part of his trial for - I think - sexually harrassing her. He was acquitted. And he's not HIV positive, I'm off for a shower.

[Guest Guest]

The majority of the stadiums have still to be built and what politician can justify to his own people spending millions on a 70 000 seat arena or seven, when AIDS sufferers in their hundreds of thousands are denied basic healthcare?

 

Are you suggesting human life is more important than football....HERETIC!!!!!

 

At least by spending money on stadiums it will be obvious if the ANC is diverting money towards overseas bank accounts for corupt officals. The AIDS programmes in SA are a joke. Mbeki publicly said that the HIV virus and AIDS were not connected. Also J.Zuma, head of one of the AIDS programmes claimed that he showered after having sex with a HIV positive women saying he thought this would prevent him getting aids. And if you are really desperate you can take the advice of SA health minister and eat garlic. She claims that this will prevent you getting aids.

If you're going to make claims like that be so good as to provide a link to a reputable news source, so we can all see the veracity of said statements.

 

Otherwise be so good as to FUCKOFF.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tempus Fugit.

 

 

Mr Tempus Fugit - these claims are very real . Unfortunately our country is run by some seriously dumb people. So you just F**k OFF. OK?

[Tempus Fugit 214]

The majority of the stadiums have still to be built and what politician can justify to his own people spending millions on a 70 000 seat arena or seven, when AIDS sufferers in their hundreds of thousands are denied basic healthcare?

 

Are you suggesting human life is more important than football....HERETIC!!!!!

 

At least by spending money on stadiums it will be obvious if the ANC is diverting money towards overseas bank accounts for corupt officals. The AIDS programmes in SA are a joke. Mbeki publicly said that the HIV virus and AIDS were not connected. Also J.Zuma, head of one of the AIDS programmes claimed that he showered after having sex with a HIV positive women saying he thought this would prevent him getting aids. And if you are really desperate you can take the advice of SA health minister and eat garlic. She claims that this will prevent you getting aids.

If you're going to make claims like that be so good as to provide a link to a reputable news source, so we can all see the veracity of said statements.

 

Otherwise be so good as to FUCKOFF.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tempus Fugit.

 

 

Mr Tempus Fugit - these claims are very real . Unfortunately our country is run by some seriously dumb people. So you just F**k OFF. OK?

 

Unlike the good old USA then,

 

Any chance of those links then to prove your statements?

 

Not that I doubt them, coming from such a reputable source as yourself

[Cowboy Ronnie 78]

I happened to be in S Africa while the Zuma trial was on, and he did indeed say in court that he showered after having sex with the woman in question to help prevent him catching AIDS.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4750731.stm

 

Here's President Mbeki on the non-link between HIV and AIDS:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/720995.stm

 

And to complete the set, this is the S. African health minister on why vampires are in such a high risk AIDS group:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/southafrica/stor...1477436,00.html

 

Finally, four of the 10 stadiums to be used in the 2010 World Cup are yet to be built,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_World_Cup_2010

 

which by my calculations means that a majority have already been constructed (although presumably most if not all of the six existing stadiums will need some sort of refurbishment). S. Africa seemed quite capable of staging an absolutely fine Rugby World Cup in 1995, so it wouldn't seem unreasonable to think the footie World Cup in 2010 will also be a success. As long as England don't go to penalties.

[Tempus Fugit 214]

I happened to be in S Africa while the Zuma trial was on, and he did indeed say in court that he showered after having sex with the woman in question to help prevent him catching AIDS.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4750731.stm

Mr Zuma said he had had a shower after sex to prevent HIV transmission and believed that a healthy man was unlikely to catch HIV from a woman

His odds of getting HIV from that encounter are about 1000 to 1, so he's not so far wrong.

[maryportfuncity 10,645]

His odds of getting HIV from that encounter are about 1000 to 1, so he's not so far wrong.

 

That's hardly the point though is it. Imagine if we ran TV ads in this country with someone like Gary Lineker saying: 'When I play away I like to give the old AIDS lasses a rogering, they get a bad press and the chances of contracting a fatal blood plague are only one in thousand. Just think, every time you touch them up, you get a positive feeling. Why not make them groan before the reaper calls them home!'

 

Or summat.

 

I'll be gettin' me coat then.

[Guest truth]

I used to live in the RSA during the dark days of apartheid, and while life may be more inconvenient today for the average white person living there, I'd have thought for the typical South African (i.e. black) citizen, life is far better today now that they can do things like vote, go to any beach they want, take any bus they want, etc. You know, things white volk everywhere pretty much take for granted. This is not to overlook the tragic Aids epidemic or the terrible crime statistics which currently plague the country, and I'm sure all South Africans hope the next President is more pragmatic and effective than Mbeki (Xhosa for "clueless").

 

As for PW, that old racist, I don't believe the DL site contends he was corrupt, although as FF notes he was the head of a regime which denied the vote as well as many of the most basic human rights to 3/4 of the population. How that crew could live with themselves is beyond me. Personally I think FW de Klerk gets a little bit of the short end of the stick, as he was as instrumental in setting SA on the right path as Nelson Mandela, but he never gets visits from Bono telling him how jolly super he is.

 

Anyway, as and when Botha does go I'm sure there will be far more people celebrating his passing than mourning it.

 

 

Speak for yourself, traitor! I guess you feel more comfortable with SA now that innocent white babies are being killed... Ah, the bad white man for what he did to the innocent communist blacks!. Wonder if Springsteen, Bono and the rest of the BS media will sing a song for the dying Boers..

P.W. Botha should have secured the country, not gave it away

[Windsor 2,233]

We are not racists here (except Tempus*).

We don't mind what colour the babies are, just as long as they get killed...

 

 

*Part of my on-going smear campaign.

[Tempus Fugit 214]

... Wonder if Springsteen, Bono and the rest of the BS media will sing a song for the dying Boers..

P.W. Botha should have secured the country, not gave it away

Are you a dying Boer?

 

or maybe just a crushing Bore.

[Guest BoerHenning]

Listed as a Dictator, wrong, ex RSA State President

 

 

Yes He is an ex SA Presidant not a dictator, if thats what your looking for looking at the current RSA goverment,

 

Boerhenning

[TLC 9]

Listed as a Dictator, wrong, ex RSA State President

Yes He is an ex SA Presidant not a dictator, if thats what your looking for looking at the current RSA goverment,

 

Boerhenning

Well goodness me I offer a big DL apology, we wouldn't want to upset the chap by suggesting he's a naughty ex-dictator.

 

Michael Foot isn't officially a Tramp and Margaret Thatcher didn't actually snatch milk either (sort of) before anyone else gets upset.

 

By the way BoerHenning, your sophisticated argument kind of defeats itself, does it not? You rightly claim Botha was officially a president (with a mandate from a slightly unrepresentative portion of the population but I'll overlook this for the sake of the argument), and then suggest that your current government is run by a dictator? I've heard of benevolent dictatorships, but democratic dictatorships? Hmmmmm?

 

It's the classic 'no I'm not, but you are' argument that serves so many 4-7 year olds well, the whole world over.

 

It's probably about time for a story & a cup of warm cocoa now isn't it? I'd recommend the Ladybird book of Voortrekkers stories, from when the days were full of honest work, hard struggle, clean living and shooting dark people who 'started it all' of course; I don't want to appear biased.

[Guest Updating]

Interview with the "Groot Krokodil"

 

http://www.mweb.co.za/home/?p=portalfeatures&i=58414#