Sean 6,315 Posted July 30, 2016 Surviving members of the Cabinets that preceded Thatcher Douglas-Home: Lord Carrington (b1919) First Wilson:None Heath: Lord Carrington (b1919) Jim Prior (b1927) Second Wilson: Shirley Williams (b 1930) John Morris (b 1931) Callaghan: Shirley Williams (b1930) David Owen (b1938) Bill Rodgers (b 1928) John Morris (b 1931) Roy Hattersley (b 1932) Shadow Cabinets: First Heath: Lord Carrington (b1919) Edward du Cann (b1924) Second Wilson: Shirley Williams(b1930) Second Heath: Lord Carrington(b1919) Jim Prior(b1927) Thatcher: Bertram Bowyer(b1927) Sally Oppenheim(b1928) Patrick Jenkin(b 1926) Norman Fowler(b1938) Nicholas Edwards(b1934) Teddy Taylor(b 1937) Michael Jopling(b1930) Lord Carrington(b 1919) Tom King(b 1933) Michael Heseltine(b1933) Jim Prior(b 1927) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,315 Posted July 30, 2016 Also a list of oldest survivng cabinet Ministers who worked in each department: Prime Minister:John Major (b 1943) Deputy Prime Minister/First Secretary of State:Michael Heseltine (b 1933) Chancellor of the Exchequer:Nigel Lawson(b 1932) Foreign Secretary :Peter Carington (b 1919) Home Secretary:David Waddington (b 1929) Leader of the House of Commons:Jim Prior (b1927) Lord Chancellor:James Mackay (b 1927) Lord Privy Seal:David Waddington (b 1929) Agriculture:Jim Prior(b1927) Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster:Norman Tebbit(b 1931) Defence:Lord Carrington (b 1919) Education:Shirley Williams (b 1930) Employment:Jim Prior (b 1927) Energy:Lord Carrington (b 1919) Environment:Patrick Jenkin (b 1926) Health and Social Services:Patrick Jenkin (1926) Industry:Patrick Jenkin (b 1926) Northern Ireland:Jim Prior(b 1927) Paymaster General:Shirley Williams(b 1930) Scotland:Ian Lang (b 1940) President of the Board of Trade:Norman Tebbit (b 1931) Wales:John Morris (b 1931) Prices and Consumer Protection:Shirley Williams (b1930) Honorable Mentions: Patrick Jenkin was Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Heath but can`t find evidence of him being in his cabinet. James Ramsden (b 1923) Was Secretary of State for War which was formerly a cabinet position but was winding down when Ramsden took over a few months after the resignation of Profumo and was never in cabinet.He is the last living person to hold that office. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted July 30, 2016 Patrick Jenkin was Minister of Energy during the Three Day Week, but he was seconded to the Secretary of State, Lord Carrington. Though who attended Cabinet meetings seemed to change so often I find it easier to track who was in the government itself. Having had a glance at the National Archives list for Heath's Cabinet in 1974, Jenkin is counted as Energy Minister. Somewhere on this forum I made a list of living ministers/PPS's up to the Thatcher era years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,646 Posted July 30, 2016 Awesome work by SOTD above. It strikes me that three of the infamous Labour to SDP Gang of Four are still around. It's positively good for your health on that evidence to have the kind of jobs that involve lots of giving opinions and very little worrying about real issues. On that basis I wonder if the handful of Liberals who held coalition office and will almost certainly never do so again will live to be very old. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted July 30, 2016 Awesome work by SOTD above. It strikes me that three of the infamous Labour to SDP Gang of Four are still around. It's positively good for your health on that evidence to have the kind of jobs that involve lots of giving opinions and very little worrying about real issues. On that basis I wonder if the handful of Liberals who held coalition office and will almost certainly never do so again will live to be very old. A glance suggests Christopher Brocklebank-Fowler (the only Tory to join the SDP, jumping parties mid-speech in the Commons) is still with us, aged 82. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted December 12, 2016 With John Biffen and Ian Gilmour recently deciding to spend more time with their ancestors, I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes... Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (d. 2013) William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999) Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926) John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007) Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987) Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001) Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007) Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919) Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (d. 2010) Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (d. 2012) Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008) Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005) James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927) David Howell - Energy (b. 1936) Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933) Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926) Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994) Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996) Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993) George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003) John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932) Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934) With Thatch gone, there's just 8 left.... James Prior has died aged 89. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38292549 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted December 12, 2016 He took a while, given how long he's been off the Lords for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,573 Posted December 12, 2016 With John Biffen and Ian Gilmour recently deciding to spend more time with their ancestors, I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes... Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (d. 2013) William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999) Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926) John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007) Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987) Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001) Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007) Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919) Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (d. 2010) Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (d. 2012) Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008) Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005) James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927) David Howell - Energy (b. 1936) Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933) Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926) Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994) Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996) Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993) George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003) John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932) Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934) With Thatch gone, there's just 8 left.... James Prior has died aged 89. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38292549 DDP pick for my Unusual Suspects team and almost certainly Scavenger Hunt fodder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoffinLodger 1,248 Posted December 12, 2016 With John Biffen and Ian Gilmour recently deciding to spend more time with their ancestors, I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes... Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (d. 2013) William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999) Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926) John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007) Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987) Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001) Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007) Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919) Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (d. 2010) Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (d. 2012) Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008) Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005) James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927) David Howell - Energy (b. 1936) Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933) Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926) Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994) Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996) Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993) George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003) John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932) Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934) With Thatch gone, there's just 8 left.... James Prior has died aged 89. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38292549 Good old Jim.He fought the good fight against Thatcherism but sadly doomed to failure.RIP PS that reduces the no of living members of Ted Heaths cabinet to just 2 - Peter Carrington and Patrick Jenkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,573 Posted December 12, 2016 Well that is Last Word sorted for this week. Interesting to see you they unearth to pay tribute another chance to check on Lord Carrington? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,315 Posted December 12, 2016 With John Biffen and Ian Gilmour recently deciding to spend more time with their ancestors, I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes... Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (d. 2013) William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999) Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926) John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007) Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987) Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001) Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007) Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919) Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (d. 2010) Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (d. 2012) Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008) Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005) James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927) David Howell - Energy (b. 1936) Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933) Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926) Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994) Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996) Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993) George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003) John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932) Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934) With Thatch gone, there's just 8 left.... James Prior has died aged 89. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38292549 Good old Jim.He fought the good fight against Thatcherism but sadly doomed to failure.RIP PS that reduces the no of living members of Ted Heaths cabinet to just 2 - Peter Carrington and Patrick Jenkin Jenkin wasnt in Heaths cabinet.At least I never found any proof he was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dead Cow 620 Posted December 21, 2016 Patrick Jenkin dead Edit: Guardian obit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted December 21, 2016 Well, that makes the "living Cabinet minister" argument academic! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted December 21, 2016 Hey, they could bury him in the dark to save electricity! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted December 21, 2016 One of mine for the Scavenger Hunt! One thing the Tories ever did for me... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathtreat23 189 Posted December 21, 2016 So we are down to the last 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoffinLodger 1,248 Posted December 21, 2016 With John Biffen and Ian Gilmour recently deciding to spend more time with their ancestors, I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes... Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (d. 2013) William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999) Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926) John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007) Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987) Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001) Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007) Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919) Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (d. 2010) Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (d. 2012) Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008) Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005) James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927) David Howell - Energy (b. 1936) Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933) Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926) Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994) Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996) Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993) George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003) John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932) Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934) With Thatch gone, there's just 8 left.... James Prior has died aged 89. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38292549 Good old Jim.He fought the good fight against Thatcherism but sadly doomed to failure.RIP PS that reduces the no of living members of Ted Heaths cabinet to just 2 - Peter Carrington and Patrick Jenkin Jenkin wasnt in Heaths cabinet.At least I never found any proof he was. He was chief secretary to the treasury from 72 to 74 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_ministry. In any case it's definitely just Carrington left from Heaths cabinet now ! In fact he's the only survivor from any cabinet prior to 1974 . There's a question mark about Michael JOpling though.Some sources say he was in Thatchers first cabinet as chief whip but some don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,586 Posted December 21, 2016 Jopling was not in the Cabinet. He may have ATTENDED Cabinet meetings by invite or request of the PM, but he wasn't a Cabinet minister. Big difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted December 21, 2016 This is narrowing the suspects for the recent annual Thatcher crony January death. 2014 - MacAlpine, 2015 - Leon, 2016 - Cecil Parkinson, 2017 - ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoffinLodger 1,248 Posted December 21, 2016 This is narrowing the suspects for the recent annual Thatcher crony January death. 2014 - MacAlpine, 2015 - Leon, 2016 - Cecil Parkinson, 2017 - ? Norman Tebbit can't go on much longer surely. He's been a living skeleton for years ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathtreat23 189 Posted February 24, 2017 Ignore-Wasn't in the first Cabinet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoffinLodger 1,248 Posted February 25, 2017 14 hours ago, Deathtreat23 said: Ignore-Wasn't in the first Cabinet. Someone could start a new thread for Thatcher's last cabinet though. That's 3 of them gone in the last year Parkinson, Mayhew and Waddington. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoffinLodger 1,248 Posted February 27, 2017 On 12/07/2012 at 13:45, Bibliogryphon said: There has been a lot of interest in Thatcher's first cabinet but with the recent death of Lord Archer (Peter, Unfortunately) this brings down to single figures those who were two swords lengths away in Michael Foot's Shadow cabinet. Denis Healey (b.1917) Roy Hattersley (b.1932) Gerald Kaufmann (b.1930) Roy Mason (b.1924) Neil Kinnock (b.1942) Bruce Millan (b.1927) William Rodgers (b.1928) Tony Benn (b. 1925) John Morris (b 1931) All will be obit worthy! Just 4 left with Gerald Kaufman's death ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,037 Posted March 19, 2018 On 7/30/2016 at 04:35, Sean said: Surviving members of the Cabinets that preceded Thatcher Thatcher: Bertram Bowyer(b1927) Sally Oppenheim(b1928) Patrick Jenkin(b 1926) Norman Fowler(b1938) Nicholas Edwards(b1934) Teddy Taylor(b 1937) Michael Jopling(b1930) Lord Carrington(b 1919) Tom King(b 1933) Michael Heseltine(b1933) Jim Prior(b 1927) Nicholas Edwards, Baron Crickhowell, died on 17 March. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40582767 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,220 Posted March 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Nicholas Edwards, Baron Crickhowell, died on 17 March. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40582767 At least he didn’t have to see his daughter Sophie Sabbage die before him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
