UFOs, Space Aliens and the like

[Bentrovato 1,087]

Given the spotting of that alien filled cigar shaped asteroid, is it time to think about the likely parting of the likes of David Icke to meet their maker? Or maybe some mass suicide by an extra terrestrial death cult that some celebs might belong to? Are Cruise and the rest of the scientologists about to catch a lift?

[Sir Creep 7,070]

A Nasa astonaut says he saw an ‘organic, alien-like’ creature in a Space Shuttle loading bay. Asked by conspiracy site UFO Sightings Daily whether he had ever witnessed a UFO, Leland Melvin answered: ‘I have not seen one in space or on the ground but I thought I saw something organic/alien like floating out of the payload bay.
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[msc 18,444]

Just now, Sir Creep said:

A Nasa astonaut says he saw an ‘organic, alien-like’ creature in a Space Shuttle loading bay. Asked by conspiracy site UFO Sightings Daily whether he had ever witnessed a UFO, Leland Melvin answered: ‘I have not seen one in space or on the ground but I thought I saw something organic/alien like floating out of the payload bay.
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A spokesperson for the Weyland Yutani Corporation said that astronaut Ripley had been suffering from stress.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

1 minute ago, msc said:

 

A spokesperson for the Weyland Yutani Corporation said that astronaut Ripley had been suffering from stress.

I was thinking he sounds like he re-entered our oxygen-rich atmosphere a little too quickly.

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

On 09/08/2018 at 20:12, Sir Creep said:

I was thinking he sounds like he re-entered our oxygen-rich atmosphere a little too quickly.

 

Put it this way - if there'd been any serious suspicion he DID see that the incoming shuttle would have been in quarentine (the first four crews to walk on the moon were kept locked up for three weeks when they came back - as a precaution)

[markb4 902]

I am open to the belief in UFOs, aliens, the paranormal, Bigfoot, etc. I don't have any proof, but I'm open to their existence.

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

Finally got round to reading Lemmy's autobiography White Line Fever

 

Page 49 recounts a UFO sighting when a very young and (by his standards) relatively clean living musician

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

On 24/04/2008 at 20:09, maryportfuncity said:

It's true Patrick, the self-same chapter also mentions an Israeli doctor who has a display of the most improbable objects, all united by the fact they were surgically removed from an anus. That's a lot of different bottoms, obviously. But either way, these stories are true, unlike your posting name eh Patrick?

 

If you are the real Patrick, tell us the truth about Cedric Allingham.

 

 

Davey Jones Locker just put a confused emoji on this so let's remind ourselves again

 

Cedric Allingham is the pen name of a man who wrote a book called Flying Saucer from Mars (1954). The book is a fairly obvious re-write/piss take on the second part of the best-selling Flying Saucers Have Landed and the purpose of the Mars book appears to be to snag as many credulous fools as possible into believing the story and - thereby - expose the gullible nature of many of those believing in UFOs/Flying Saucers. Years later some investigative work suggested one of the two people who had authored the Mars book was Patrick Moore. Whilst the other hoaxer came clean Patrick to the very end of his life was threatening legal action against anyone who claimed he was involved. All highly odd because what evidence there is points in that direction and nobody has ever come forward claiming to be the second author.

 

Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Allingham

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

On 14/10/2018 at 21:28, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

Davey Jones Locker just put a confused emoji on this so let's remind ourselves again

 

Cedric Allingham is the pen name of a man who wrote a book called Flying Saucer from Mars (1954). The book is a fairly obvious re-write/piss take on the second part of the best-selling Flying Saucers Have Landed and the purpose of the Mars book appears to be to snag as many credulous fools as possible into believing the story and - thereby - expose the gullible nature of many of those believing in UFOs/Flying Saucers. Years later some investigative work suggested one of the two people who had authored the Mars book was Patrick Moore. Whilst the other hoaxer came clean Patrick to the very end of his life was threatening legal action against anyone who claimed he was involved. All highly odd because what evidence there is points in that direction and nobody has ever come forward claiming to be the second author.

 

Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Allingham

Okay, you are not insane then.

 

By the way, have you ever looked into my home-grown UFO mystery, the Frederick Valentich case? Personally, I think he was flying upside down and confused by the reflection of his own plane's lights.

 

One of the more interesting conspiracy theories is that he faked his death and re-emerged much later as the fraudster John Friedrich, which is a weird, weird story in its own right.

 

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

8 hours ago, Davey Jones' Locker said:

Okay, you are not insane then.

 

By the way, have you ever looked into my home-grown UFO mystery, the Frederick Valentich case? Personally, I think he was flying upside down and confused by the reflection of his own plane's lights.

 

One of the more interesting conspiracy theories is that he faked his death and re-emerged much later as the fraudster John Friedrich, which is a weird, weird story in its own right.

 

 

 

Indeed I have, and I would refer to my highly regarded and decent selling book Pocket Essential UFOs where the case is discussed under the inspired section title "Bass, How Low Can you Go?" (as an Aussie you'll get the pun). I'm actually quoting it as unsolved in there though I'm with you on the likeliest answer being an inexperienced pilot flying over water at night an confusing himself.

[the_engineer 1,415]

My thoughts on grey aliens is they're androids/robots created with secret technology by darpa/Area 51. Behind the curtain technology is always a generation ahead . Darpa and the department for defence were using the internet from 1960s to 1990 before they decided it wasn't a threat and  commercialised it. 

 

they need androids for space travel as humans can't pass through the van allen belt. Grey aliens are designed to look like humans created in our own image ( to and certain extent) but fine tuned for space travel .

 

I imagine Darpa drew up an image of what needed to change about humans in order for us to be a space fairing species. We need to be thinner, longer fingers, bigger eyes, bigger brains and tough reflective grey skin.

 

Grey / silver  radiation resistant materials i.e suits, the material on the outside of probes etc. Is used as a suit to cover these androids. The reason it's kept secret because A) people would freak out knowing androids are driving spaceships as insane speeds above their head B ) it would expose the fake moon landing C) the want to keep sentient android tech to themselves until they can create more advanced versions. Humans can go into space inside the van allen belt i.e international space station but not to the moon/mars etc.

 

 

 

 

'Sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientist to study, we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space'

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

21 hours ago, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

Indeed I have, and I would refer to my highly regarded and decent selling book Pocket Essential UFOs where the case is discussed under the inspired section title "Bass, How Low Can you Go?" (as an Aussie you'll get the pun). I'm actually quoting it as unsolved in there though I'm with you on the likeliest answer being an inexperienced pilot flying over water at night an confusing himself.

Cheers! I'll have to have a look at the book. The other big one that happened when I was a kid was the Knowles family/Nullabor Plain alleged encounter. There was a big media circus around it. Blowed if I know what to make of that one. Any ideas?

 

I am a bit of a sucker for reading early historical cases like the alleged Mystery Airships of the 1890s and the supposed "Space Battle of Nuremburg" in 1561, etc. Do you have a look at them in your book?

[charon 4,943]

11 hours ago, the_engineer said:

My thoughts on grey aliens is they're androids/robots created with secret technology by darpa/Area 51. Behind the curtain technology is always a generation ahead . Darpa and the department for defence were using the internet from 1960s to 1990 before they decided it wasn't a threat and  commercialised it. 

 

they need androids for space travel as humans can't pass through the van allen belt. Grey aliens are designed to look like humans created in our own image ( to and certain extent) but fine tuned for space travel .

 

I imagine Darpa drew up an image of what needed to change about humans in order for us to be a space fairing species. We need to be thinner, longer fingers, bigger eyes, bigger brains and tough reflective grey skin.

 

Grey / silver  radiation resistant materials i.e suits, the material on the outside of probes etc. Is used as a suit to cover these androids. The reason it's kept secret because A) people would freak out knowing androids are driving spaceships as insane speeds above their head B ) it would expose the fake moon landing C) the want to keep sentient android tech to themselves until they can create more advanced versions. Humans can go into space inside the van allen belt i.e international space station but not to the moon/mars etc.

 

 

 

'Sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientist to study, we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space'

 

 

 

 

 

Picked up the dug from neighbours tonight.

 

Question on quiz show was how many employees did NASA have at its peak

 

 

I wisely fucked off before the answer , but % wise, they wid have plenty of batshit mentalists too.

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

On 29/11/2018 at 19:39, Davey Jones' Locker said:

Cheers! I'll have to have a look at the book. The other big one that happened when I was a kid was the Knowles family/Nullabor Plain alleged encounter. There was a big media circus around it. Blowed if I know what to make of that one. Any ideas?

 

I am a bit of a sucker for reading early historical cases like the alleged Mystery Airships of the 1890s and the supposed "Space Battle of Nuremburg" in 1561, etc. Do you have a look at them in your book?

 

 

Sort of - though the mystery airships are largely explained as a hoax and brief craze amongst editors of papers (the recently invented telegraph being the means by which rural outposts filed stories at that point). The height of the folly of all this is the current belief amongst many that one such airship hit a windmill in Aurora, Texas and the alien pilot lies in an unmarked grave in the local cemetary.

 

Oh aye, and for my money one of the best Aussie cases is the Maureen Puddy encounter. Not because there's any significant evidence of alien activity but because she saw a live alien whilst she was in the company of two UFO investigators; neither of whom saw anything and one of whom (Paul Norman) apparently came within inches of it. Assuming the two investigators were seeing what was really there that might be one of the most significant CE3 encounters in history.

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

4 hours ago, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

Sort of - though the mystery airships are largely explained as a hoax and brief craze amongst editors of papers (the recently invented telegraph being the means by which rural outposts filed stories at that point). The height of the folly of all this is the current belief amongst many that one such airship hit a windmill in Aurora, Texas and the alien pilot lies in an unmarked grave in the local cemetary.

 

Oh aye, and for my money one of the best Aussie cases is the Maureen Puddy encounter. Not because there's any significant evidence of alien activity but because she saw a live alien whilst she was in the company of two UFO investigators; neither of whom saw anything and one of whom (Paul Norman) apparently came within inches of it. Assuming the two investigators were seeing what was really there that might be one of the most significant CE3 encounters in history.

Cool - I have never heard of Puddy. I wonder what she was drinking?

 

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

I knew I'd read somewhere once that there was a supposed sighting with multiple schoolkids as witnesses. Here it is. Make of this what you will...

 

https://www.theage.com.au/national/academic-throws-light-on-40-year-old-ufo-mystery-20051002-ge0z6n.html

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/audio-reveals-creepy-details-of-australian-ufo-mystery/news-story/471c724255b0388ee4e930a4d35028e7

 

 

 

 

 

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

13 minutes ago, Davey Jones' Locker said:

I knew I'd read somewhere once that there was a supposed sighting with multiple schoolkids as witnesses. Here it is. Make of this what you will...

 

https://www.theage.com.au/national/academic-throws-light-on-40-year-old-ufo-mystery-20051002-ge0z6n.html

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/audio-reveals-creepy-details-of-australian-ufo-mystery/news-story/471c724255b0388ee4e930a4d35028e7

 

 

 

 

 

How far from Pine Gap are those places?

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

1 hour ago, Davey Jones' Locker said:

Cool - I have never heard of Puddy. I wonder what she was drinking?

 

 

The smart money would be on her ability to enter a state of lucid dreaming whilst apparently awake. I think I'm right in saying she had at least one of her kids in the car when that meeting with the researchers took place - so likely not on the sauce.

[Bentrovato 1,087]

NASA scientist says Earth may have been visited by aliens   https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/nasa-scientist-says-earth-may-have-been-visited-by-aliens/ar-BBQuKrV?ocid=spartanntp

[maryportfuncity 10,646]

On ‎05‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 04:34, Bentrovato said:

NASA scientist says Earth may have been visited by aliens   https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/nasa-scientist-says-earth-may-have-been-visited-by-aliens/ar-BBQuKrV?ocid=spartanntp

 

 

But he's basically calling us out on the way the bulk of humanity make assumptions about what aliens might be like. 

 

Since there's a few like minded souls on this thread I'd go with The Wow Signal as likely the best evidence so far that ET might be interacting with humanity - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

 

Much as I'd love to be wrong I don't think there's a single UFO case that gives better evidence than the Wow signal. Pushed to name a good UFO case I'd go to the Tehran incident (1976) though Philip Klasse's "UFOs The Public Deceived" does make a decent argument debunking the whole thing. 

 

What do our other readers think?

 

[En Passant 3,741]

3 hours ago, maryportfuncity said:

What do our other readers think?

 

Complete sceptic about any form of UFO myself (well, the extraterrestrial kind anyway) 

However I have done some reading on the Fermi paradox and here is an interesting treatise as to why it would be bad news to discover any form of life on mars. 

[runebomme 377]

I don't think there is enough grounds for this paradox  we are probably not very good at detecting aliens and the distances are huge also there was some calculation which estimated about one species of intelligent life per galaxy

[En Passant 3,741]

9 minutes ago, runebomme said:

I don't think there is enough grounds for this paradox  we are probably not very good at detecting aliens and the distances are huge also there was some calculation which estimated about one species of intelligent life per galaxy

Yes and no, as far as I can tell.

 

The distances are almost inconceivably huge, and that indeed was my first thought - it's just too far. However as a result of my extensive research (a bit of googling in an absent hour or so) I was reminded that time involved is also inconceivably long on a human scale. So even allowing for the limit of light speed, there should have been some evidence - Von Neumann probes amongst other things.

 

I'd be interested to see this calculation though, since there is zero credible evidence of any life at all other than ourselves, how can anyone claim to have an accurate calculation for the number of intelligent species per galaxy?  

[runebomme 377]

6 minutes ago, En Passant said:

Yes and no, as far as I can tell.

 

The distances are almost inconceivably huge, and that indeed was my first thought - it's just too far. However as a result of my extensive research (a bit of googling in an absent hour or so) I was reminded that time involved is also inconceivably long on a human scale. So even allowing for the limit of light speed, there should have been some evidence - Von Neumann probes amongst other things.

 

I'd be interested to see this calculation though, since there is zero credible evidence of any life at all other than ourselves, how can anyone claim to have an accurate calculation for the number of intelligent species per galaxy?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

[En Passant 3,741]

Ah yes, I've seen that of course, but so many of the variables are completely unquantifiable so much so that whilst still being used it's subject to a lot of variation and indeed criticism. It works as a starting point, but I would't use it personally as a counter-argument to the fermi paradox :S

 

ETA: this one in particular 

f_p = 0.2 to 0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets

 

No exoplanets at all had been confirmed at the time Drake wrote his equation. So that number could only be described as extremely speculative, since 1988 or so that's no longer the case.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the equation is wrong, simply that it's not definitive.