The Chequered Flag

[Gisooo 2,672]

I don't know what to say, there is no death date for him in Accurint. I think that FamilySearch is not at all reliable due to the fact that it is recently listing many death dates of people with Wiki (one of them is the actress Joyce Taylor who surprisingly died in the same year as Paul in 2022?). I wonder if it is something reliable why doesn't it list the full date of death but only the year?

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

51 minutes ago, Gisooo said:

I don't know what to say, there is no death date for him in Accurint. I think that FamilySearch is not at all reliable due to the fact that it is recently listing many death dates of people with Wiki (one of them is the actress Joyce Taylor who surprisingly died in the same year as Paul in 2022?). I wonder if it is something reliable why doesn't it list the full date of death but only the year?

 

Thank you. I think the fact his airport wish him happy birthday is a big hmmm, I think its fake.

[The Immortal 546]

1 hour ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

According to a post on the Family Search ancestry site, Goldsmith died off-radar 2022.

His aviation website say he's living. I'd be surprised if he died without any notice, but I guess its possible. There is a Facebook post wishing him a happy 98th as well from the airport.

I'll do a full and thorough search tonight but in the meantime:

 

@Gisooo anything on accurint?

 

Paul Goldsmith was born on 2 October 1925, in Parkersburg, Wood, West Virginia, United States as the son of Edward Goldsmith and Maysel Geraldine Henderson. He had at least 1 son with Helen. He lived in Zanesville, Muskingum, Ohio, United States in 1930 and Columbus, Franklin, Ohio, United States in 1940. He died in 2022, in Griffith, Calumet Township, Lake, Indiana, United States, at the age of 97, and was buried in Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens, Schererville, Lake, Indiana, United States.

 

There's an interview of Paul uploaded in 2023, I don't know when it was recorded though. Paul himself claims to be in good health though he looks horrible, barely able to open his eyes.

[Bibliogryphon 8,881]

1 hour ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

According to a post on the Family Search ancestry site, Goldsmith died off-radar 2022.

His aviation website say he's living. I'd be surprised if he died without any notice, but I guess its possible. There is a Facebook post wishing him a happy 98th as well from the airport.

I'll do a full and thorough search tonight but in the meantime:

 

@Gisooo anything on accurint?

 

Paul Goldsmith was born on 2 October 1925, in Parkersburg, Wood, West Virginia, United States as the son of Edward Goldsmith and Maysel Geraldine Henderson. He had at least 1 son with Helen. He lived in Zanesville, Muskingum, Ohio, United States in 1930 and Columbus, Franklin, Ohio, United States in 1940. He died in 2022, in Griffith, Calumet Township, Lake, Indiana, United States, at the age of 97, and was buried in Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens, Schererville, Lake, Indiana, United States.

 

Paul Goldsmith is a popular pick in Scavenger Hunt Bingo - not a game ending hit but could shake up the scores a bit

 

This could be important

[Ulitzer95 11,381]

I don't believe he's dead. 

Family Search and geni have been causing a lot of trouble lately. The latter seems to be the source of the Jane Morgan death hoax.

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

On 13/04/2023 at 14:43, Sinbabad said:

 

Isn’t it Paul Goldsmith ?
 

 

A racing colleague of mine rang Griffith Airport today.

 

Not only is Mr Goldsmith still alive, but he's at the airport working, as he apparently is every day.

 

 

 

 

[Comped 404]

52 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

Not only is Mr Goldsmith still alive, but he's at the airport working, as he apparently is every day.

Weird considering that Gary Indiana's airport bought it off him a few months ago. You think he'd just take the payout and retire...

[The Immortal 546]

16 hours ago, Comped said:

Weird considering that Gary Indiana's airport bought it off him a few months ago. You think he'd just take the payout and retire...

 

To be fair he's done 3 things that usually attract the kind who will do it for life (race car driver, pilot and business owner), so with that in mind it is understandable why he would want to keep going. 

[diego 1,866]

Johnnie Walker has died aged 79, he was an Australian racing driver, born in Adelaide, After competing in the Australian Formula 2 Championship, he moved up to Formula 5000 in 1972, driving an Elfin MR5 and a Matich A50 before switching to the brand Lola in late 1973. finished second in the 1973 and 1975 Australian Drivers' Championship before taking the title in 1979 in his Chevrolet Lola T332. He also won the 1979 Australian Grand Prix at Wanneroo Raceway

https://speedcafe.com/vale-johnnie-walker/

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

Esteemed motorsport commentator and author of bloody good motor racing books, Neville Hay has died. He was 85.

 

https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/vale-neville-hay/

[diego 1,866]

Juan Maria Traverso was born in Ramallo and died in the same place at the age of 73 of esophageal cancer. The Argentine was a multi-champion driver in the most important championships in Argentina and raced in European Formula 2 in 1979.

https://www.reuters.com/sports/formula1/argentinian-racing-great-traverso-dies-aged-73-2024-05-12/

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

On 14/01/2022 at 10:35, Octopus of Odstock said:

I think this shows up publicly in Facebook but https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160704461072281&id=857672280&m_entstream_source=group

 

Rupert Keegan. Looks awful and as mentioned on the FB post has been unwell. Definitely one to watch. Would get a QO even if it's the Sports Personality round up.

 

Only 66 but looks far older.

 

 

 

I've been keeping this to myself for a while but it's now becoming clear Rupert Keegan's chances of reaching 2025 are pretty slim.

He's very ill with cancer, but he has also never lived a very healthy lifestyle.

 

Certainly worth considering for the Deathlist Cup, and if he makes the 1st January, he's going right in at the top of the DDP picks.

[diego 1,866]

Endel Kiisa died at the age of 86 and was an Estonian motorcyclist. In 1968 he won the bronze medal at the Imatra Circuit. In 1962 he won the Soviet Union championship. He was 23 times champion of Estonia in different motorcycling disciplines. He was chosen as the best motorcyclist of the 20th century in Estonia

https://msport.ee/2024/05/14/endel-kiisa-in-memoriam/

[diego 1,866]

Bob McCreadie was born in Watertown, New York and died at age 73. He was an American Dirt Modified driver, McCreadie raced from Florida to the southwestern United States and in Australia and Canada, accumulating 507 track victories between 1975–2005. He won at 56 racetracks.McCreadie broke his back five times in racing accidents

https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2024/05/legendary-dirt-modified-racer-bob-mccreadie-dies.html#:~:text=Watertown%2C N.Y.,and won 29 track championships

[diego 1,866]

Andrey Kudriashov was born in Balakovo, Saratov Oblast, RSFS of Russia and died at the age of 32 from aggressive skin cancer. He had a leg amputated last year to prevent the spread of the cancer, but this year he died. He came to prominence in 2009, after winning the Russian U19 Championship,In 2011 his career really took off when he won the U21 Team Speedway World Championship,Kudriashov won the Russian national championship in 2015. He went on to win the national title on three further occasions in 2017, 2018 and 2019

https://www.fimspeedway.com/news/andrey-kudriashov-1991-2024

[YoungWillz 19,529]

Report of the death of Vic White, former speedway rider with various teams who subsequently served as chairman, secretary and treasurer of the World Speedway Riders' Association: https://x.com/SpeedwayWSRA/status/1793552453406687248

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

Former Lotus Grand Prix driver Dave Walker died last week. Trying to get more information. Not entirely sure if a full obit will come but will keep an eye out for local news/Ryerson.

[Great Uncle Bulgaria 1,124]

Former Scunthorpe, Leicester, Reading and Weymouth speedway rider Doug Underwood died a couple of weeks ago at 77.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Underwood_(speedway_rider)  I'm in a fb group with a lot of former Weymouth riders which confirmed this.

[Ulitzer95 11,381]

2 hours ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

Former Lotus Grand Prix driver Dave Walker died last week. Trying to get more information. Not entirely sure if a full obit will come but will keep an eye out for local news/Ryerson.

Anyone racing related becoming a nightmare over on Wikipedia now. It seems a lot of these old racing sites that used to put up obits of sorts have closed down or simply stopped getting updated. All these announcements come through Facebook now, which is less than ideal given that Wikipedia is getting even stricter as of recent with regards to sourcing from social media (which in this day and age is not practical for the reason I've just outlined).

Rick France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_France 
Blackie Wangerin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackie_Wangerin 
Vic White https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_White 

David Walker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walker_(racing_driver) 

If anyone find proper obits/death or funeral notices for any of the above, please post them on here or DM me with them.

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Anyone racing related becoming a nightmare over on Wikipedia now. It seems a lot of these old racing sites that used to put up obits of sorts have closed down or simply stopped getting updated. All these announcements come through Facebook now, which is less than ideal given that Wikipedia is getting even stricter as of recent with regards to sourcing from social media (which in this day and age is not practical for the reason I've just outlined).

Rick France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_France 
Blackie Wangerin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackie_Wangerin 
Vic White https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_White 

David Walker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walker_(racing_driver) 

If anyone find proper obits/death or funeral notices for any of the above, please post them on here or DM me with them.

 

 

Oldracingcars.com still updates for some drivers but it's often been queried if it's a genuine source. It's basically the racing Hugmans so it should be okay.

 

That said Walker is not updated on there yet.

[Ulitzer95 11,381]

8 hours ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

 

Oldracingcars.com still updates for some drivers but it's often been queried if it's a genuine source. It's basically the racing Hugmans so it should be okay.

 

That said Walker is not updated on there yet.

His page has been updated on there now. Thanks!

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

Dave Walker obit https://autoaction.com.au/2024/05/31/aussie-f1-racer-david-walker-dies

 

Now I've seen Wiki has gone for 24th May but I've not seen anything to verify that date yet. Still TBC

[Ulitzer95 11,381]

48 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

Dave Walker obit https://autoaction.com.au/2024/05/31/aussie-f1-racer-david-walker-dies

 

Now I've seen Wiki has gone for 24th May but I've not seen anything to verify that date yet. Still TBC

There’s a source on his page that gives 24th as a date. 
 

Amusingly on Google there’s an article from 10 years ago that describes him as one of the worst F1 drivers ever. Thoughts?

[Octopus of Odstock 1,952]

14 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

There’s a source on his page that gives 24th as a date. 
 

Amusingly on Google there’s an article from 10 years ago that describes him as one of the worst F1 drivers ever. Thoughts?

 

I don't think that source is right to be honest. Waiting for next Ryerson update tomorrow and then if nothing in there, it might trickle through.

 

To be honest, Walker suffered from "Lotus 2nd driver syndrome". Look at Taylor, Spence, Arundell, Miles, Oliver, even Graham Hill to a degree. All pretty much given inferior equipment to Clark, Rindt and Fittipaldi, despite Chapman's protests they were in equal machinery. 

But not scoring a point in one of the quickest and most iconic cars of all time still doesn't look good. He was quite brilliant at Formula 3 level, but maybe Formula 1 - especially in one of the top seats - was a step too much.