YoungWillz 21,044 Posted October 29, 2021 Algeria goalie for the 1982 WC Finals Mehdi Cerbah, dead aged 68: https://www-liberte--algerie-com.translate.goog/sports/mehdi-cerbah-nest-plus-367402?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,197 Posted October 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Algeria goalie for the 1982 WC Finals Mehdi Cerbah, dead aged 68: https://www-liberte--algerie-com.translate.goog/sports/mehdi-cerbah-nest-plus-367402?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc Second 1982 keeper to die in less than a month; Dragan Pantelic of Yugoslavia died earlier this month: https://news.in-24.com/sports/ligue-1/amp/180806 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,197 Posted November 12, 2021 Pavol Molnar, part of the Czech side to reach the 1962 World Cup Final has died. Played in the 1958 World Cup too. https://futbalsfz.sk/sfz-smutok-zahalil-nas-fotbal-zomrel-pavol-molnar/ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,603 Posted November 12, 2021 For completion noting Ron Flowers death in here. While he didn’t play a minute in 1962 he played every single minute of England’s 1962 campaign and scored twice. (Also reminds me that two other members of the 1962 England squad born in 1934 are still alive, They are Maurice Norman and Bryan Douglas. And that two members of the 1958 squad are still Alive at 90+. They are Tommy Banks and Colin McDonald). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,746 Posted November 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: For completion noting Ron Flowers death in here. While he didn’t play a minute in 1962 he played every single minute of England’s 1962 campaign and scored twice. (Also reminds me that two other members of the 1962 England squad born in 1934 are still alive, They are Maurice Norman and Bryan Douglas. And that two members of the 1958 squad are still Alive at 90+. They are Tommy Banks and Colin McDonald). Bryan Douglas still regularly attends matches at Ewood Park. He's in fair health for his age and former profession. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,197 Posted November 13, 2021 10 hours ago, The Old Crem said: For completion noting Ron Flowers death in here. While he didn’t play a minute in 1962 he played every single minute of England’s 1962 campaign and scored twice. (Also reminds me that two other members of the 1962 England squad born in 1934 are still alive, They are Maurice Norman and Bryan Douglas. And that two members of the 1958 squad are still Alive at 90+. They are Tommy Banks and Colin McDonald). For completion, there are 5 English survivors from 1962: Bobby Charlton, Norman, Douglas, Alan Peacock and George Eastham. 1958 also has 5 - Charlton, Norman, Douglas and the aforementioned Banks and McDonald. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,972 Posted November 14, 2021 Last month, Horst Eckel, the last living 1954 champion, had hip surgery, which was then kept "secret" (i.e. not sold to every newspaper), now he's walking again. Franz Beckenbauer established contact with the specific clinic: https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/horst-eckel-89-54er-weltmeister-nach-operation-in-reha-klinik-78014006.bild.html 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P94 41 Posted November 16, 2021 Update after recent death of Ron Flowers. Last surviv[or(s)/ing] (and still living) footballers of winning teams between 1954 and 1986: 1954 - Horst Eckel 1958 - Dino Sani, Mario Zagallo, Pele, Moacir, Jose "Mazzola" Altafini, Pepe (6 of 22) 1962 - Pele, Pepe, Mengalvio, Jair da Costa, Amarildo, Maro Zagallo (6 of 22) 1966 - George Cohen, Bobby Charlton, Geoff Hurst, Ron Flowers, Terry Paine, Ian Callaghan, George Eastham (6 of 22) 1970 - Brito, Piazza, Clodoaldo, Jairzinho, Gerson, Tostao, Pele, Rivellino, Ado, Roberto, Baldocchi, Caju, Edu, Dario, Ze Maria, Leao (16 of 22) 1974 - only two footballers (Gerd Mueller & Heinz Flohe) are dead 1978 - three footballers (Ruben Galvan, Rene Houseman & Leopoldo Luque) are dead 1982 - only two footballers (Gaetano Scirea & Paolo Rossi) are dead 1986 - three footballers (Jose Luis Brown, Jose Luis Cuciuffo, Diego Maradona) are dead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoismakoto 328 Posted November 25, 2021 I've listed living footballers who played in 1970 World Cup. If a living player is missing, it means the player has played in a previous World Cup Mexico Francisco Montes Mario Pérez Marcos Rivas Horacio López Salgado José Vantolrá Héctor Pulido Javier Valdivia Juan Ignacio Basaguren Francisco Castrejón Soviet Union Leonid Shmuts Revaz Dzodzuashvili Evgeny Lovchev Valeri Zykov Nikolay Kiselyov Vladimir Muntyan Anatoliy Byshovets Belgium Paul van Himst Christian Piot Georges Heylens Jean Thissen Nicolas Dewalque Léon Semmeling Johan Devrindt Maurice Martens Erwin Vandendaele Odilon Polleunis Jan Verheyen Raoul Lambert Frans Janssens Jacques Duquesne El Salvador Salvador Mariona Pipo Rodríguez Jorge Vásquez Juan Ramón Martínez Salvador Cabezas Ernesto Aparicio Mario Monge Tomás Pineda Mauricio Manzano David Cabrera Genaro Sermeño Jaime Portillo Guillermo Castro Gualberto Fernández Italy Fabrizio Poletti Comunardo Niccolai Giorgio Puia Mario Bertini Gigi Riva Dino Zoff Angelo Domenghini Giancarlo De Sisti Lido Vieri Sergio Gori Roberto Boninsegna Giuseppe Furino Pierluigi Cera Sweden Ronnie Hellström Hans Selander Björn Nordqvist Roland Grip Tommy Svensson Bo Larsson Leif Eriksson Ove Kindvall Örjan Persson Sven-Gunnar Larsson Claes Cronqvist Krister Kristensson Leif Målberg Thomas Nordahl Ronney Pettersson Jan Olsson Inge Ejderstedt Sten Pålsson Uruguay Julio Montero Castillo Atilio Ancheta Roberto Matosas Ildo Maneiro Rodolfo Sandoval Francisco Cámera Dagoberto Fontes Rúben Bareño Alberto Gómez Oscar Zubía Julio César Cortés Walter Corbo Julio Morales Julio Losada Israel Itzhak Vissoker Menachem Bello Shraga Bar David Primo Itzhak Shum Giora Spiegel Yehoshua Feigenbaum Mordechai Spiegler Rachamim Talbi Yochanan Vollach Eli Ben Rimoz Moshe Romano Roni Shuruk Yechiel Hameiri Yair Nossovsky Zvi Rosen Shmuel Rosenthal George Borba Yehezkel Chazom Moshe Romano David Karako Brazil Brito Piazza Clodoaldo Tostao Rivellino Ado Roberto Baldocchi Caju Dario Ze Maria Leao England Alan Mullery Francis Lee Alex Stepney Tommy Wright Czechoslovakia Ivo Viktor Karol Dobias Ladislav Petras Alexander Horvath Bohumil Vesely Ján Pivarník Anton Flešár Ivan Hrdlička Josef Jurkanin Milan Albrecht Ján Čapkovič Alexander Vencel Romania Radu Nunweiller Vasile Gergely Răducanu Necula Lajos Sătmăreanu Cornel Dinu Emerich Dembrovschi Mircea Lucescu Ion Dumitru Marin Tufan Flavius Domide West Germany Berti Vogts Klaus Fichtel Peter Dietrich Manfred Manglitz Horst Wolter Peru Luis Rubinos Eloy Campos Orlando de la Torre Ramon Mifflin Roberto Challe Hugo Sotil Teofilo Cubillas Oswaldo Ramirez Rubén Correa Pedro González José Fernández Félix Salinas José del Castillo Eladio Reyes Jesus Goyzueta Héctor Chumpitaz Bulgaria Stefan Aladzhov Georgi Popov Hristo Bonev Stoyan Yordanov Asparuh Nikodimov Todor Kolev Bozhidar Grigorov Georgi Kamenski Morocco Moulay Khanousi Mohammed El Filali Boujemaa Benkhrif Mohammed Mahroufi Said Ghandi Ahmed Faras Maouhoub Ghazouani Jalili Fadili Ahmed Alaoui Abdelkader El Khiati Abdelkader Ouaraghli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted November 27, 2021 On 18/06/2020 at 23:06, Octopus of Odstock said: Updated lists. Numbers going down relatively rapidly from a few years ago. People highlighted in red are those I'm 99% certain are still alive. 1954 survivors – 32 Definitely all dead: Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Brazil Scotland No......Pos......Player.......................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 3.......2DF.....Jock Aird.....................(1926-02-18)18 February 1926 (aged 28)....2.............Burnley 5.......2DF.....Tommy Docherty.........(1928-08-24)24 August 1928 (aged 25)........5.............Preston North End 7.......3MF.....Doug Cowie................(1926-05-01)1 May 1926 (aged 28)..............6.............Dundee 19.....4FW....Jimmy Binning*............(1927-07-25)25 July 1927 (aged 26)............0............Queen of the South 22.....4FW....Ian McMillan*...............(1931-03-18)18 March 1931 (aged 23)........3............Airdrieonians Only 13 members of the squad actually travelled. Binning & McMillan were not required to travel and stayed at home. 1958 –70 survivors Scotland No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 2.........2DF......Tommy Docherty...........(1928-08-24)24 August 1928 (aged 29) 10.......3MF......Doug Cowie..................(1926-05-01)1 May 1926 (aged 32) Doug Cowie has died aged 95: https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/doug-cowie-1926-2021/ Definitely a previous DDP pick for OoO, and definitely a DDP pick for Sudden Death in 2021. 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,466 Posted November 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Doug Cowie has died aged 95: https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/doug-cowie-1926-2021/ Definitely a previous DDP pick for OoO, and definitely a DDP pick for Sudden Death in 2021. A lucky one, DDP wise, as he was on my shortlist for the old folks DDP team only there wasn't space. Unlike other misses, someone else got him for the first time in years! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,197 Posted November 27, 2021 Aside from Cowie being a Dundee legend, he was also the last surviving player from the 1958 Scotland World Cup squad. Therefore, Scotland are the first team from 1958 to have all their squad pass away. Time marches on... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,171 Posted November 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: Aside from Cowie being a Dundee legend, he was also the last surviving player from the 1958 Scotland World Cup squad. Therefore, Scotland are the first team from 1958 to have all their squad pass away. Time marches on... As I have remarked previously, the British footballers from the 50s and 60s have really not fared well compared to footballers from other countries. Any reasons why? Was a different football used in the UK that was heavier as dementia appears to be a big part of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,619 Posted November 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Deathrace said: As I have remarked previously, the British footballers from the 50s and 60s have really not fared well compared to footballers from other countries. Any reasons why? Was a different football used in the UK that was heavier as dementia appears to be a big part of it. Don't think so. IMO it's more to do with lifestyle differences. Back then footballers in Britain used to smoke and drink a lot whilst they were still playing. When they retired from the game they'd continue down that path. A lot of notable UK players/managers have died from liver and lung problems, incl. cancers. This behaviour continued up to the 1980s. My mum's first husband is a former professional player and manager (who will remain nameless) and I've seen the way him and his former colleagues live now, including their consumption. It's not at all commendable. On the flip side to this, it's now the polar opposite in the UK. A lot of these guys don't drink or smoke at all now, and their diets are super healthy, as the standards and training are so demanding. I know two guys, one early 30s, the other 21, who are professional footballers in Scotland. They've never had a drop. Changed days. Ofc some players still have the odd blowout, which often makes the papers, but it's rare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,603 Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, msc said: A lucky one, DDP wise, as he was on my shortlist for the old folks DDP team only there wasn't space. Unlike other misses, someone else got him for the first time in years! Will he Q/O? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,603 Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: Don't think so. IMO it's more to do with lifestyle differences. Back then footballers in Britain used to smoke and drink a lot whilst they were still playing. When they retired from the game they'd continue down that path. A lot of notable UK players/managers have died from liver and lung problems, incl. cancers. This behaviour continued up to the 1980s. My mum's first husband is a former professional player and manager (who will remain nameless) and I've seen the way him and his former colleagues live now, including their consumption. It's not at all commendable. On the flip side to this, it's now the polar opposite in the UK. A lot of these guys don't drink or smoke at all now, and their diets are super healthy, as the standards and training are so demanding. I know two guys, one early 30s, the other 21, who are professional footballers in Scotland. They've never had a drop. Changed days. Ofc some players still have the odd blowout, which often makes the papers, but it's rare. The 1966 England World Cup squad must be the unhealthiest winners ever. I can’t see any of them getting to the age Doug Cowie has died at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, The Old Crem said: Will he Q/O? At the point of writing, the BBC match report makes no mention of either the minute's silence held for Doug Cowie before the match, or indeed McPake's dedication of Dundee's win to his memory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,466 Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: At the point of writing, the BBC match report makes no mention of either the minute's silence held for Doug Cowie before the match, or indeed McPake's dedication of Dundee's win to his memory. Yes, but STV do in their match report, and STV, like all the ITV regions, is a qualifying obit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, msc said: Yes, but STV do in their match report, and STV, like all the ITV regions, is a qualifying obit. Excellent. (read above in The Simpsons' Mr Burns voice). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,466 Posted November 27, 2021 Just now, YoungWillz said: Excellent. (read above in The Simpsons' Mr Burns voice). One of the things we did (in 2020 even? I forget if it was for then or this year) was reverse TMIBs limits on ITV regional obits because it was unfair if folk got an obit in a major QO source but it was on the wrong page or only in the N Ireland or Scotland section. Spade did the same in 2019 for the BBC regional pages after one pick got 5 different BBC obits, none of which were accepted in the rules! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, msc said: One of the things we did (in 2020 even? I forget if it was for then or this year) was reverse TMIBs limits on ITV regional obits because it was unfair if folk got an obit in a major QO source but it was on the wrong page or only in the N Ireland or Scotland section. Spade did the same in 2019 for the BBC regional pages after one pick got 5 different BBC obits, none of which were accepted in the rules! I know. It's a good thing, now you've eliminated the vast majority of God's waiting room only cases. I don't know whether to like Yahoo as a source. I guess I'd like it if one of my picks got a Yahoo only obit. But as that hasn't happened yet, I'll plump for hating it presently. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,466 Posted November 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I know. It's a good thing, now you've eliminated the vast majority of God's waiting room only cases. I don't know whether to like Yahoo as a source. I guess I'd like it if one of my picks got a Yahoo only obit. But as that hasn't happened yet, I'll plump for hating it presently. Dunno yet, none of my potential Yahoo obits have had any staying power! If it turns out to be Pandoras Box next year I'm sure the new Cmme will work on it though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,603 Posted November 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I know. It's a good thing, now you've eliminated the vast majority of God's waiting room only cases. I don't know whether to like Yahoo as a source. I guess I'd like it if one of my picks got a Yahoo only obit. But as that hasn't happened yet, I'll plump for hating it presently. I think it’s the only one that doesn’t have much of a British base or heritage. Is there no Welsh newspaper that could be added like how the Daily Record is a source? Or what about the website of GB News (through the amount of news they cover it would be very shocking if they were ever the sole Obit source) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,197 Posted November 27, 2021 Just an aside to confirm Jimmy Binning died in the 1990's - https://blantyreproject.com/2019/06/ian-jimmy-binning-footballer/ so Ian McMillan is the only surviving member of the squad, albeit he didn't travel. Denis Law, now 81, is the oldest living Scot to have played World Cup Finals football (1974) and behind him it's Willie Morgan, now 77. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,603 Posted November 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: Just an aside to confirm Jimmy Binning died in the 1990's - https://blantyreproject.com/2019/06/ian-jimmy-binning-footballer/ so Ian McMillan is the only surviving member of the squad, albeit he didn't travel. Denis Law, now 81, is the oldest living Scot to have played World Cup Finals football (1974) and behind him it's Willie Morgan, now 77. Did you just edit wiki? As that has just been added to his page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
