Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

53 minutes ago, Toast said:

Dunno, I've been out so didn't hear it.  Most of it's been previewed, no? 

Things to get worse before they get better, well, anyone with a brain had figured that out long ago.

 

I agree with the winter fuel thing up to a point - there are plenty of people who don't need it and wouldn't miss it.  But I think they need to look again at where they draw the line. Pension credit is the easiest way, but it's not just income that's taken into account, it's also savings.  I don't think it's fair to penalise people for having saved.  If they've got a few grand tucked away, that's there for when they need to replace something expensive.  So there will be a lot who don't qualify for pension credit, but aren't well off.

Yes, I agree with you, mind you, I generally do.

What I don't agree with is, if we are skint, them negotiating with their paymasters to give out inflation busting pay rises, the promising of billions of our money on overseas 'net zero' projects and the continuation of handing out shit tons of money in aid to countries that don't fucking need it and/or shit holes where the despots get the dosh for a new fleet of Rollers while their people kill each other/starve.

The cunts are committed to spending billions of taxpayers money, while telling Granny Smith that, because she is £2.24p above the threshold, she will have to put her cat on the fire to keep warm.

The rest of us have now had our arses nicely lubricated by Sir Keith in readiness to be fucked by a lump of 2x4.

What we had was shite, corrupt, inept and utterly shocking.

What we now have is going to be equally shite, corrupt, inept and utterly shocking.

The 'anything is better than this lot' mantra is starting to look a load of old bollocks.

Obviously, Keith has taken into account that three quarters of the voters in the election didn't actually vote for or want a Labour government.

He is the same cunt that wanted a 'proportional voting system' but the moment the penny dropped that the Election was his to lose, he thought 'fuck that, let the cunts eat cake.

I avoided posting my spleen on this thread, just content to watch the shit show of comments about how bad Truss was, Sunak was clueless, and they were all corrupt, not forgetting the amusing memes as people licked their lips at a Tory catastrophe at the elections.

Well, yes, they deserved it, they were a bunch of corrupt, self serving bastards but, fuck me, people are dim.

Thought you were fucked over before? You ain't seen nothing yet!!

 

[Brad252 807]

2 hours ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

Obviously, Keith has taken into account that three quarters of the voters in the election didn't actually vote for or want a Labour government.

He is the same cunt that wanted a 'proportional voting system' but the moment the penny dropped that the Election was his to lose, he thought 'fuck that, let the cunts eat cake

PR was not in the Labour manifesto just gone, so it's wrong to say he wanted it before the election then canned it immediately. Yes the party membership overwhelmingly back it, but that doesn't guarantee the leadership will adopt it.

 

As someone who actually does extra-curricular speaking work for a voting reform campaign group, expect grassroots campaigning to ramp up considerably over this parliament. This election result was IMO the best ever result for boosting support for voting reform, not because of who won, but because of the huge disproportionately across the board. Persuading a critical mass of voters will be much easier now this concrete evidence of a flawed system exists. Don't expect the next election to have a new voting system in place, but if the campaigns are done effectively they will be in more manifestos next time and certainly a part of national debate. If you want things to change for the better, you're going to have to do more than just mouth off on the internet about your grievances.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

14 minutes ago, Brad252 said:

PR was not in the Labour manifesto just gone, so it's wrong to say he wanted it before the election then canned it immediately. Yes the party membership overwhelmingly back it, but that doesn't guarantee the leadership will adopt it.

 

As someone who actually does extra-curricular speaking work for a voting reform campaign group, expect grassroots campaigning to ramp up considerably over this parliament. This election result was IMO the best ever result for boosting support for voting reform, not because of who won, but because of the huge disproportionately across the board. Persuading a critical mass of voters will be much easier now this concrete evidence of a flawed system exists. Don't expect the next election to have a new voting system in place, but if the campaigns are done effectively they will be in more manifestos next time and certainly a part of national debate. If you want things to change for the better, you're going to have to do more than just mouth off on the internet about your grievances.

The bottom line is that he COULD have got that into the manifesto.

 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

5 hours ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

The bottom line is that he COULD have got that into the manifesto.

 

He sincerely hates PR apparently. 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

5 hours ago, Brad252 said:

PR was not in the Labour manifesto just gone, so it's wrong to say he wanted it before the election then canned it immediately. Yes the party membership overwhelmingly back it, but that doesn't guarantee the leadership will adopt it.

 

As someone who actually does extra-curricular speaking work for a voting reform campaign group, expect grassroots campaigning to ramp up considerably over this parliament. This election result was IMO the best ever result for boosting support for voting reform, not because of who won, but because of the huge disproportionately across the board. Persuading a critical mass of voters will be much easier now this concrete evidence of a flawed system exists. Don't expect the next election to have a new voting system in place, but if the campaigns are done effectively they will be in more manifestos next time and certainly a part of national debate. If you want things to change for the better, you're going to have to do more than just mouth off on the internet about your grievances.

The biggest flaw with PR is the arguements that it can cause chaotic governments that take months to form (See the Netherlands and Israel for frequent examples’. After recent years people don’t want chaos. 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

9 hours ago, Toast said:

Dunno, I've been out so didn't hear it.  Most of it's been previewed, no? 

Things to get worse before they get better, well, anyone with a brain had figured that out long ago.

 

I agree with the winter fuel thing up to a point - there are plenty of people who don't need it and wouldn't miss it.  But I think they need to look again at where they draw the line. Pension credit is the easiest way, but it's not just income that's taken into account, it's also savings.  I don't think it's fair to penalise people for having saved.  If they've got a few grand tucked away, that's there for when they need to replace something expensive.  So there will be a lot who don't qualify for pension credit, but aren't well off.

It’s going to cause a lot more problems than I think some younger people in the Labour Party’s membership  who were openly celebrating the news when it was announced back in July were aware of. There was clearly some ignorance of how Pension credit works. Many of the people they see as vital public workers predecessors are getting it cut but they suddenly saw them as wealthy elite. 
 

 I see the Daily Mirror is being pretty critical of Starmer as well as the more right leaning papers. 

[Brad252 807]

17 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

The biggest flaw with PR is the arguements that it can cause chaotic governments that take months to form (See the Netherlands and Israel for frequent examples’. After recent years people don’t want chaos. 

Of course, but no system is perfect. That said FPTP does not prevent chaotic governments either. The UK from 2015-now has been chaotically governed, and ironically the coalition government from 2010-15, for all the problems with its policy choices, was more stable than what followed.

[RoverAndOut 4,746]

18 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

The biggest flaw with PR is the arguements that it can cause chaotic governments that take months to form (See the Netherlands and Israel for frequent examples’. After recent years people don’t want chaos. 

 

Israel uses an extreme form of PR which makes forming coalitions incredibly difficult as so many parties are represented. With the increasing fracturisation of Western democracies, it could become a bigger issue here too, like in the Netherlands, but Germany has had coalitions for years and they even have names for different combinations (traffic light, Jamaica, etc.). I voted against AV in 2011 as when I studied electoral systems I was led to believe that FPTP at least produced effective and decisive government. Given the increasing polarisation of parties and the utter chaos of the past 10 years, I realise that that's no longer true or accurate. I also voted against AV as its the most measly and pointless form of PR there is, I'd rather have STV instead. Coalition is inevitable. And if we use it properly, very effective.

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

 

 

Que hysterics from the Mail, Express and GBeebies 

[Brad252 807]

3 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:

 

 

Que hysterics from the Mail, Express and GBeebies 

Many of those who complain about politicians being out of touch seem to slag off Rayner as well, even though she is arguably one of the most representative politicians today: working class background, raves in Ibiza and became a grandmother in her 30s.

[RoverAndOut 4,746]

 

 

Today in "Nigel Farage says something he'll definitely do the opposite of..." 

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

Zero Self Awareness from Dorries. (No surprises there)

 

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

First far right state Goverment in post war Germany looking possible in Thuringa. Worrying times, 

[Brad252 807]

1 hour ago, The Old Crem said:

First far right state Goverment in post war Germany looking possible in Thuringa. Worrying times, 

The AfD are strongest in former East Germany areas. It shows both how dire the Soviet puppet state status was and how culture is very difficult to change quickly.

[The Old Crem 3,606]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/takeaways-near-schools-face-crackdown-under-labour-plans/ar-AA1pO0ub
 

This would kill off my local high street and some others that have or are very near to schools.

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

So the Six candidates vying to be Conservative party leader will face their first test this week with ballot amongst Tory MPs and the person with the fewest votes get eliminated 

 

I am fully expecting this to be Mel Stride because he seems to have the least traction buy we don't know how popular the others are with their parliamentary colleagues

[YoungWillz 21,050]

No word on it yet, but will Labour scrap the single person discount on Council Tax? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/labours-angela-rayner-evades-questions-29856692

 

If they do, they are hmm, how you say, cunts. 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

I’ve heard it all now. Local supermarket have sacked the security guard because he looked the robbers in rather than letting them escape. 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

2 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

No word on it yet, but will Labour scrap the single person discount on Council Tax? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/labours-angela-rayner-evades-questions-29856692

 

If they do, they are hmm, how you say, cunts. 

Labour clearly don’t like pensioners because most don’t vote for them. It’s getting more and more blatant. 

[The Old Crem 3,606]

Labour rumoured to planning to cut discounted travel for pensioners now. That would be a very very unpopular move and also arguably regressive - if they use the threshold of pension credit pensioners just above it will suffer a lot if they regularly use public transport. 

 

It also will be noticed more by the less wealthy - more wealthy pensioners tend to drive, and those who live in Labour voting areas. 

[Brad252 807]

I would not take any rumours or announcements of upcoming spending plans seriously right now. They will be leaks to gauge public reaction ahead of actually formally announcing policy, a practice that is as old as the hills. Some leaks will be from ministers; others from senior civil servants. As Sir Humphrey Appleby said, "the ship of government is the only ship that leaks from the top.

[Summer in Transylvania 2,187]

19 minutes ago, Brad252 said:

I would not take any rumours or announcements of upcoming spending plans seriously right now.

I would not take anything Crem says seriously right now.

[En Passant 3,741]

51 minutes ago, Summer in Transylvania said:

I would not take anything Crem says seriously right now.

 

Which begs the obvious question, when would you?

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

Mel Stride makes it to the next round