TQR 14,384 Posted December 15, 2019 Excuse another politics-based topic, and also excuse the disgraceful UK-centric nature of it, but the Labour leadership election will be commencing early doors next year, arguably the most important one for a long time given the enormity of the seat deficit they've got to recover in 5 years or less. Plus we've got a poll for some kind of leader of something in Americaland so why shouldn't we have this? Who will it be? Who should it be? Those are likely two very different things. Vote who you reckon it will be, then bitch and moan about why it shouldn't be them here. I reckon it'll be Keir. I'd rather it was than the other favourite, Rebecca Wrong-Daily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,436 Posted December 15, 2019 If thats the options available, it's got to be Sir Keir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, msc said: If thats the options available, it's got to be Sir Keir. An Oxford educated London based remainer? Sounds like exactly the kind of person who'll win back Leave voting northern Blyth Valley. Dan Jarvis - ex-military so no national security concerns, more centrist so not as much financial distrust to overcome. EDIT: should have read the OP - it will be Rebecca Long-Bailey because the 485,000 people who make up Labour's membership are suicidal nutters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philip 121 Posted December 15, 2019 If they have any sense it should be jess phillips Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,384 Posted December 15, 2019 Dan Jarvis would be a great choice. His central stance is what we need; I don't know enough about him to make the most detailed judgement but he seems like he's got some common sense, too. He'd be the Lib Dems' worst nightmare, and hopefully would do well at holding Boris' shower of cunts to account. Sir Keir has already proven he can in PMQs. He's not got a bad public rep, and I genuinely think his ardent remain stance would probably attract around as many people as it'd put off (in total, anyway; the North might not be happy still though). Also good choice. Jess Phillips at least makes a modicum of sense. Strong woman, not too far left, connects with the public, would eviscerate Johnson at the first whiff of bullshit. You've also got David Lammy; very intelligent, good at making and arguing a point, lefty but not quite at McDonnell levels, maybe needs a bit more of a profile outside of London. Also not likely to stand yet; maybe after Labour's next election loss. Emily Thornberry can hold her own too, and as a politician she's respectable. But not respected; she has a very condescending image that won't win over voters. Yvette Cooper has signalled she wants to run, because of course she did so well last time she ran for leadership. Safe-ish pair of hands, but it's not going to happen is it? And any of the others would be utterly disastrous and would kill Labour off completely. But when it comes to likelihood, it's between Keir and 'Becca. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted December 15, 2019 Starmer storming the vote thus far (though I won't trust anything until the official exit poll appears) An observation - the slaughter on Thursday was approaching as bad as Major's Conservatives suffered in 1997 and it took them two useless leaders before they found one who pulled them back into contention and even he lost his one and only election. Labour could well be in for that level of long dark night of the soul IMHO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted December 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: Starmer storming the vote thus far (though I won't trust anything until the official exit poll appears) An observation - the slaughter on Thursday was approaching as bad as Major's Conservatives suffered in 1997 and it took them two useless leaders before they found one who pulled them back into contention and even he lost his one and only election. Labour could well be in for that level of long dark night of the soul IMHO There's a fairly clear pattern in the post war era for both parties hitting a low point of under 210 seats. It took Labour 4 elections go from oblivion to a landslide. It took the Tories 7 elections from 1997 and 4 from 1945. Get it right and Labour could be back within a decade. Part of the reason for recent political problems has been the Tories complete failure to rebuild by 2010. Conservatives 1945 - 197 1950 - 298 1951 - 321 (of 630) 1955 - 345 (of 630) Labour 1983 - 209 seats 1987 - 229 seats 1992 - 271 seats 1997 - 418 seats Conservatives 1997 - 165 2001 - 166 2005 - 198 2010 - 306 2015 - 330 2017 - 317 2019 - 365 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,311 Posted December 15, 2019 Angela Rayner .Northern not too far left female new generation single teenage mum in the 90s.Served in Corbyns shadow cabinet so can't be called a traitor by Momentum Jarvis and Long Bailey I reckon stand a chance. Starmer and Thornberry would keep the Tories in power for another decade at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted December 16, 2019 Lisa Nandy she fancies it aswell. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-lisa-nandy-rebecca-longbailey-corbyn-election-results-a9247486.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,384 Posted December 16, 2019 Emily Thornberry’s getting off to a flyer by seeking legal action against ex-colleague Caroline Flint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted December 16, 2019 So there's a max of 9 candidates. Will be interesting to see if factions united or we get 9 candidates. If factions united we'll get 5 candidates Blue Labour Blairite Soft Left Momentum Commies (won't make it onto Ballot Paper) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted December 16, 2019 Slightly off topic (but relevant because it perhaps shapes the policy decisions needed going forward) Has anyone seen any information where if all the Brexit Party votes in each constituency were given to the Labour party what the results would have been across the country. I know this isn't perfect but would be interested to know. I still think despite all the Corbyn hate supposedly out there on the doorsteps that if Labour had voted through Brexit prior to the election then they would have been very close to winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,384 Posted December 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: Slightly off topic (but relevant because it perhaps shapes the policy decisions needed going forward) Has anyone seen any information where if all the Brexit Party votes in each constituency were given to the Labour party what the results would have been across the country. I know this isn't perfect but would be interested to know. I still think despite all the Corbyn hate supposedly out there on the doorsteps that if Labour had voted through Brexit prior to the election then they would have been very close to winning. Would be interesting to know yeah, but I can’t help but think that the support he’d have lost backing Brexit would be similar to the amount he lost by not backing it, though obviously this support wouldn’t probably have gone to the Tories and it mightn’t have been so North-centric. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted December 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: Slightly off topic (but relevant because it perhaps shapes the policy decisions needed going forward) Has anyone seen any information where if all the Brexit Party votes in each constituency were given to the Labour party what the results would have been across the country. I know this isn't perfect but would be interested to know. I still think despite all the Corbyn hate supposedly out there on the doorsteps that if Labour had voted through Brexit prior to the election then they would have been very close to winning. We'd have lost loads of votes to the Lib Dems down south Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted December 16, 2019 Senior figures back Mrs Merton Rebecca Long Bailey - that's her - metaphorically - fucked, then https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/15/labour-leadership-race-begins-as-senior-figures-back-rebecca-long-bailey?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2wQdrxUjJDdL5cSe8rvMCyGMbllQMXbSC23KOmkaMB8gFnSW9vFBl6IKA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted December 16, 2019 Oh aye, and if Kinnock is looking in - Stephen's still on 0% Have a word with the lad, eh? Bit of a late developer IMHO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted December 16, 2019 There’s more choices to be Labour leader on this poll than the Lib Dens have MPs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: There’s more choices to be Labour leader on this poll than the Lib Dens have MPs! Saw a good meme on Saturday with Jo Swinson in the shop window from Bagpuss along with all the other useless and broken things nobody seems to want 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,569 Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: Saw a good meme on Saturday with Jo Swinson in the shop window from Bagpuss along with all the other useless and broken things nobody seems to want 2 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: Saw a good meme on Saturday with Jo Swinson in the shop window from Bagpuss along with all the other useless and broken things nobody seems to want Just in case anyone passed by, saw her and elevated her to the House of Lords. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted December 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: Saw a good meme on Saturday with Jo Swinson in the shop window from Bagpuss along with all the other useless and broken things nobody seems to want Surely Corbyn was in the background as Professor Yaffle? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraveDanger 22 Posted December 16, 2019 I voted for Long-Bailey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted December 16, 2019 Here we go then. Unofficially Confirmed Leadership Candidates Lisa Nandy Rebecca Long-Bailey Clive Lewis Unofficially Confirmed Deputy Leadership Candidates Angela Rayner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hosni Mubarak 48 Posted December 16, 2019 Why is there no arabic choices, racist list. Only the mighty allah can lead the labour party from this mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,384 Posted December 17, 2019 So it looks increasingly likely that Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Angela Rayner running together on a ‘dream ticket’, with Rayner as Deputy. Sounds more like a fucking nightmare to me. Also poor old Richard Burgon, being left hanging by Wrong-Daily with his little flaccid dick hanging out with a ‘vote Rebecca’ sticker on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted December 17, 2019 5 hours ago, The Quim Reaper said: So it looks increasingly likely that Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Angela Rayner running together on a ‘dream ticket’, with Rayner as Deputy. Sounds more like a fucking nightmare to me. Also poor old Richard Burgon, being left hanging by Wrong-Daily with his little flaccid dick hanging out with a ‘vote Rebecca’ sticker on it. Calling it now: - Rayner wins Deputy - Long-Bailey loses leadership to Starmer/Jarvis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
