TQR 14,518 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Repurposed this thread so it can now be the central point for general Kill or Save chat, discussions about future rounds, stats if you have any, the Hall of Fame, or even just general music chat. If we ever need a poll, I can make a new one on this post. See below for links to all Kill or Save games to date: 50s No.1s; 60s No.1s; 70s No.1s; 80s No.1s; 90s No.1s; 00s No.1s; 10s No.1s 50s No.2s; 60s No.2s; 70s No.2s; 80s No.2s; 90s No.2s; 00s No. 2s; 10s No.2s 60s No.3s (IN PLAY!); 70s No.3s; 80s No.3s; 90s No.3s Christmas Special 2023; Christmas Special 2024 70s Top-10s (IN PLAY!) KoS HoF Bobby Darin — Mack The Knife The Rolling Stones — Paint It, Black Donna Summer — I Feel Love Nena — 99 Red Balloons Madonna — Vogue Gorillaz — Dare Gotye ft. Kimbra — Somebody That I Used To Know Dean Martin — Volare Barry Ryan — Eloise Queen — Somebody To Love A-Ha — Take On Me The Cardigans — Lovefool Sophie Ellis-Bextor — Murder On The Dancefloor Bastille — Pompeii David Bowie — Life On Mars? Tears For Fears — Mad World Faithless — Insomnia The Pogues ft. Kirsty MacColl — Fairytale Of New York Queen — Bohemian Rhapsody / These Are The Days Of Our Lives KoS CoC: In spoilers, a list of the songs which will be entered into the big Kill or Save Champion of Champions round, when the No.1-5 UK Chart games come to an end. 1st placed songs will start the game with 24 points, 2nd with 23, 3rd with 22, 4th with 21, and 5th the usual 20. This is to reflect each song's previous success, but still means that every song is the same minimum of 4 moves away from elimination. Spoiler Round 1: No.1s 24 Bobby Darin — Mack The Knife 24 The Rolling Stones — Paint It, Black 24 Donna Summer — I Feel Love 24 Nena — 99 Red Balloons 24 Madonna — Vogue 24 Gorillaz — Dare 24 Gotye ft. Kimbra — Somebody That I Used To Know 23 Bill Haley & His Comets — Rock Around The Clock 23 The Kinks — You Really Got Me 23 David Bowie — Space Oddity 23 David Bowie — Ashes To Ashes 23 White Town — Your Woman 23 Gnarls Barkley — Crazy 23 OneRepublic — Counting Stars 22 The Everly Brothers — All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette 22 The Animals — House Of The Rising Sun 22 Kate Bush — Wuthering Heights 22 Soft Cell — Tainted Love 22 Fatboy Slim — Praise You 22 Britney Spears — Toxic 22 Harry Styles — Sign Of The Times 21 Elvis Presley — Jailhouse Rock 21 The Four Tops — Reach Out, I’ll Be There 21 Blondie — Heart Of Glass 21 Blondie — Atomic 21 No Doubt — Don’t Speak 21 Nelly Furtado — Maneater 21 Clean Bandit ft. Jess Glynne — Rather Be 20 Bobby Darin — Dream Lover 20 Marvin Gaye — I Heard It Through The Grapevine 20 ABBA — The Name Of The Game 20 Kraftwerk — The Model 20 Shakespear's Sister — Stay 20 Lady Gaga — Bad Romance 20 Daft Punk ft. Pharrell Williams — Get Lucky Round 2: No.2s 24 Dean Martin — Volare 24 Barry Ryan — Eloise 24 Queen — Somebody To Love 24 A-Ha — Take On Me 24 The Cardigans — Lovefool 24 Sophie Ellis-Bextor — Murder On The Dancefloor 24 Bastille — Pompei 23 Elvis Presley — Hound Dog 23 The Kinks — Waterloo Sunset 23 Elton John — Rocket Man 23 Tears For Fears — Everybody Wants To Rule The World 23 Deee-Lite — Groove Is In The Heart 23 Mark Ronson ft. Amy Winehouse — Valerie 23 Adele — Rolling In The Deep 22 Dean Martin — That’s Amore 22 The Beach Boys — God Only Knows 22 Sparks — This Town Ain’t Big Enough For Both Of Us 22 Eurythmics — Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) 22 The Verve — Bitter Sweet Symphony 22 Kylie Minogue — Love At First Sight 22 Rag’n’Bone Man — Human 21 Nat King Cole — When I Fall In Love 21 The Kinks — All Day And All Of The Night 21 Queen — Killer Queen 21 The Bangles — Manic Monday 21 Madonna — Beautiful Stranger 21 Coldplay — In My Place 21 Maroon 5 ft. Christina Aguilera — Moves Like Jagger 20 Elvis Presley — Heartbreak Hotel 20 The Spencer Davis Group — Gimme Some Lovin’ 20 David Bowie — The Jean Genie 20 Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield — What Have I Done To Deserve This 20 Supergrass — Alright / Time 20 Gorillaz — Feel Good Inc. 20 Katy Perry — Teenage Dream Round 3: No.3s 24 24 24 David Bowie — Life on Mars? 24 Tears For Fears — Mad World 24 Faithless — Insomnia 24 24 23 23 23 Gerry Rafferty — Baker Street 23 Kate Bush — Running Up That Hill 23 No Doubt — Just A Girl 23 23 22 22 22 Mott the Hoople — All The Young Dudes 22 The Bangles — Walk Like An Egyptian 22 EMF — Unbelievable 22 22 21 21 21 R. Dean Taylor — There’s A Ghost in My House 21 The Vapors — Turning Japanese 21 Annie Lennox — Little Bird / Love Song For A Vampire 21 21 20 20 20 Electric Light Orchestra — Don’t Bring Me Down 20 The Damned — Eloise 20 Fatboy Slim — Gangster Trippin 20 20 Edited Sunday at 20:06 by TQR Removed old poll and repurposed thread 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Book 3,670 Posted June 30, 2023 I have in mind that most players were interested in the No.2-hits and this has been a topic for a long time, so I went for it. That's only fair at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,312 Posted June 30, 2023 Just to clarify, it's No 2s that never reached No 1, isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Book 3,670 Posted June 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Toast said: Just to clarify, it's No 2s that never reached No 1, isn't it? I'm not the game master for this, but I would understand that e.g. "Last Christmas" is generally considered a UK No.1 hit, although it only reached No.2 in 1984. The same applies to "All I want for Christmas is you". Both are decent No.1 hits in the UK, albeit years after their initial release. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,518 Posted June 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Toast said: Just to clarify, it's No 2s that never reached No 1, isn't it? 9 minutes ago, Book said: I'm not the game master for this, but I would understand that e.g. "Last Christmas" is generally considered a UK No.1 hit, although it only reached No.2 in 1984. The same applies to "All I want for Christmas is you". Both are decent No.1 hits in the UK, albeit years after their initial release. Yeah, pretty much this. Songs that peaked at No.2 on their initial chart run. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,312 Posted June 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Book said: I'm not the game master for this, but I would understand that e.g. "Last Christmas" is generally considered a UK No.1 hit, although it only reached No.2 in 1984. The same applies to "All I want for Christmas is you". Both are decent No.1 hits in the UK, albeit years after their initial release. Well, both of those tick the Christmas Song box so will feature in a different game anyway. TQR's clarification of "initial chart run" clears the deck of such anomalies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
time 8,721 Posted June 30, 2023 As @wannamaker has volunteered to run the 00s, and @TQR has volunteered to run the Number 2s, why not run them in parallel? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,518 Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, time said: As @wannamaker has volunteered to run the 00s, and @TQR has volunteered to run the Number 2s, why not run them in parallel? I mean, we could do? I was gonna run the Christmas game in parallel with wherever the fuck we’re up to anyway. As for the No.2s game, I’ll start with the 70s as we did before. I’ll work on it when I can and launch it ASAP (but that won’t be today as I’m out this evening, soz) 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Death Impends 8,181 Posted June 30, 2023 50s are the last No. 1s game that would hold any interest for me, though even then it would need a lot of creative liberties as while I like the latter part of the decade, doing Al Martino vs. Eddie Fisher type shite battles would make the late 80s look exciting. No. 2s would be far more fun on the whole. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyfiona 2,736 Posted June 30, 2023 If anyone needs help with No2's I found a website a while back with a complete list of British No2's. I voted for 00's No1 and then No2's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,518 Posted June 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, ladyfiona said: If anyone needs help with No2's I found a website a while back with a complete list of British No2's. I voted for 00's No1 and then No2's. Cheers. I’ve started work on it; I’ll get 70s No.2s up and running tomorrow when I’ve finished formatting and all that gubbins. There’s clearly an appetite for 00s and (to a lesser extent) 50s no.1 games too. I shall leave them in whoever else’s capable hands. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clorox Bleachman 2,534 Posted June 30, 2023 As someone who's listened to every charting single from the 50s, please God no. Some may argue the noughties aren't much better but there's a lot of good amongst the bad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wannamaker 1,490 Posted June 30, 2023 Don't know what we're finally doing, but I'll start compiling the 00s songs just in case, if anything to keep me busy. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,518 Posted July 1, 2023 14 hours ago, wannamaker said: Don't know what we're finally doing, but I'll start compiling the 00s songs just in case, if anything to keep me busy. I've started the No.2s game by popular demand but the 00s No.1s can run in parallel! 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wannamaker 1,490 Posted July 1, 2023 11 hours ago, TQR said: I've started the No.2s game by popular demand but the 00s No.1s can run in parallel! I'm pretty much done, I'll start the game tomorrow. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Book 3,670 Posted July 22, 2023 This is a new idea for a Kill or Save game, when other topics are done, so maybe one for next year: Kill or Save: The Singing DeathList In this KoS, former or current candidates of the DeathList compete against each other (maybe two rounds and one Grand Final). It can be singers and musicians, band members or anyone who has recorded a song. With most candidates, it is clear which song they are competing with: the most successful or the most significant (I would also use the UK charts as a guide). If an artist has been successful solo, but has also played in a group or band, I would choose the song from their solo career first, and only secondarily the hit of the group/band. However, there are musicians, entertainers or orchestra leaders who didn't really have any typical songs. So we have to coordinate with a few people, like Cleo Laine or Sonny Rollins. They are certainly great artists, but did they have a big hit that they are known for or are always associated with? Or Jerry Garcia. I know the name, I know his band, but I really don't know any of their songs, I have to admit that to my shame. But please see below. Also, I may have overlooked some artists or candidates who have also released a song without being primarily a musician, maybe politicians, sports commentators, school inspectors, whatever. So please name missing candidates and their songs. The artists of the DeathList and their songs: Andy Taylor (Duran Duran) – The Reflex Aretha Franklin – Respect Arthur Mullard – You're the one that I want (& Hylda Baker) B.B. King – When love comes to town (& U2) Bernie Nolan (The Nolans) – I'm in the mood for dancing Brian Clough (Nottingham Forest & Paper Lace) – We've got the whole world in our hands Bruce Forsyth - Almost like being in love Burt Bacharach – Trains and boats and planes Captain Tom Moore – You'll never walk alone (& Michael Ball) Carly Simon – You're so vain Charles Aznavour – She Christopher Lee – I, Don Quixote (Metal Knight EP) Chuck Berry – My ding-a-ling Clive James Dunn – Grandad David Crosby (Crosby, Stills & Nash) – Marrakesh Express Dean Martin – Memories are made of this Doris Day – Whatever will be, will be (Que sera, sera) Dudley Moore – Goodbye-ee (& Peter Cook) Etta James – At last Fats Domino – Blueberry Hill Fergie Frederiksen (Toto) – Stranger in town Frank Sinatra – Strangers in the night Frankie Laine – I believe George Chisholm (Johnston Brothers) – Join in and sing again Gerry Rafferty – Bakerstreet Glen Campbell – Rhinestone Cowboy Gord Downie (Tragically Hip) – Ahead by a century Harry Belafonte – Mary's boy child Harry Secombe – This is my song Holly Johnson – Americanos Ian Dury (& the Blockheads) – Hit me with your rhythm stick Jerry Lee Lewis – Great balls of fire John Lee Hooker – Boom Boom Johnny Cash – A boy named Sue Johnny Clegg (& Savuka) – Scatterlings of Africa (& Savuka) Joni Mitchell – Big yellow taxi Kenny Everett – Snot Rap Les Paul – Vaya con dios (& Mary Ford) Levi Stubbs (The Four Tops) – Reach out, I'll be there Linda Nolan (The Nolans) – Gotta pull myself together Linda Ronstadt – Don't know much (& Aaron Neville) Little Richard – Good golly, Miss Molly Liza Minnelli – Losing my mind Loretta Lynn – Coalminer's Daughter Lou Rawls – You'll never find another love like mine Marianne Faithfull – Come and stay with me Mel Brooks – To be or not to be Norman Wisdom – Don't laugh at me ('cause I'm a fool) Olivia Newton-John – Hopelessly devoted to you Ozzy Osbourne – Changes (& Kelly Osbourne) Patrick Swayze – She's like the wind Patty Andrews (The Andrews Sisters) – Bei mir bist du schön Perry Como – Magic Moments Peter Shilton (England Squad) – This time we'll get it right Peter Tork (The Monkees) - I'm a believer Reg Presley (The Troggs) – With a girl like you Robin Gibb – Saved by the bell Rolf Harris – Two little boys Roy Castle – Little white berry Roy Rogers - Hoppy, Gene and me Russell Watson – Someone like you (& Faye Tozer) Ryuichi Sakamoto – Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence Shane MacGowan (The Pogues) – Fairytale of New York Shaun Ryder (Happy Mondays) – Step on Spike Milligan (The Goons) – The Ying Tong Song Telly Savalas – If Terry Waite – When I dream Timothy Leary (meets The Grid) – Origins of Dance Tina Turner – What's love got to do with it Tony Bennett – Stranger in paradise Tony Martin – Walk hand in hand Vera Lynn – My son, my son Warren Zevon – Werewolves of London Wendy Richard – Come outside (& Mike Sarne) Willie Nelson – To all the girls I've loved before (& Julio Iglesias) Yoko Ono – Walking on thin ice With some artists it is not easy to choose a song. First and foremost, I orientate myself to the highest position in the charts. But is that automatically the artist's most significant song? What do you think? Most successful or most significant? Harry Belafonte: Mary's boy Child (#1) vs. Banana Boat Song (#2) Marianne Faithfull: Come and stay with me (#4) vs. Ballad of Lucy Jordan (#48) Vera Lynn: My son my son (#1) vs. ??? Aretha Franklin: I knew you were waiting for me (#1) vs. Respect (#10) Etta James: I just want to make love to you (#5) vs. At last (#39) Joni Mitchell: Got 'til it's gone (with Janet Jackson) (#6) vs. Big yellow taxi (#11) Nolan Sisters: I choose their most successful song for Bernie and their second succesful for Linda because Bernie seemed to be the lead singer. Not clear, help to clarify needed: Artie Shaw Benny Carter Bo Diddley Captain Beefheart Cleo Laine Genesis P-Orridge George Chisholm George Melly Ginger Baker Jerry Garcia Lionel Hampton Mark E. Smith Marti Caine Pete Seeger Ravi Shankar Ronnie Wood Sonny Rollins Wilko Johnson And what should we do with any one Beatle??? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wannamaker 1,490 Posted July 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Book said: What do you think? Most successful or most significant? Harry Belafonte: Mary's boy Child (#1) vs. Banana Boat Song (#2) Marianne Faithfull: Come and stay with me (#4) vs. Ballad of Lucy Jordan (#48) Vera Lynn: My son my son (#1) vs. ??? Aretha Franklin: I knew you were waiting for me (#1) vs. Respect (#10) Etta James: I just want to make love to you (#5) vs. At last (#39) Joni Mitchell: Got 'til it's gone (with Janet Jackson) (#6) vs. Big yellow taxi (#11) Nolan Sisters: I choose their most successful song for Bernie and their second succesful for Linda because Bernie seemed to be the lead singer. Not clear, help to clarify needed: Artie Shaw Benny Carter Bo Diddley Captain Beefheart Cleo Laine Genesis P-Orridge George Chisholm George Melly Ginger Baker Jerry Garcia Lionel Hampton Mark E. Smith Marti Caine Pete Seeger Ravi Shankar Ronnie Wood Sonny Rollins Wilko Johnson And what should we do with any one Beatle??? Like the idea, but a lot of the songs repeat from previous games so maybe it would be good to replace them (e.g. Chuck Berry could be Johnny B. Goode or Ian Dury could be Reasons to be Cheerful, pt. 3). Also, I would like Vera Lynn's song to be We'll Meet Again, don't know if it's her most significant, but it is my favourite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commtech Sio Bibble 2,217 Posted July 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Book said: This is a new idea for a Kill or Save game, when other topics are done, so maybe one for next year: Kill or Save: The Singing DeathList In this KoS, former or current candidates of the DeathList compete against each other (maybe two rounds and one Grand Final). It can be singers and musicians, band members or anyone who has recorded a song. With most candidates, it is clear which song they are competing with: the most successful or the most significant (I would also use the UK charts as a guide). If an artist has been successful solo, but has also played in a group or band, I would choose the song from their solo career first, and only secondarily the hit of the group/band. However, there are musicians, entertainers or orchestra leaders who didn't really have any typical songs. So we have to coordinate with a few people, like Cleo Laine or Sonny Rollins. They are certainly great artists, but did they have a big hit that they are known for or are always associated with? Or Jerry Garcia. I know the name, I know his band, but I really don't know any of their songs, I have to admit that to my shame. But please see below. Also, I may have overlooked some artists or candidates who have also released a song without being primarily a musician, maybe politicians, sports commentators, school inspectors, whatever. So please name missing candidates and their songs. With some artists it is not easy to choose a song. First and foremost, I orientate myself to the highest position in the charts. But is that automatically the artist's most significant song? I love this idea but I think they're may be some issues trying to come to a consensus over which song to use for each artist. Just reading through the list you've put up there are some picks that have immediately jumped out at me such for example 'We'll meet again' by Vera Lynn is probably one of the most iconic war time songs and people like Chuck Berry (Johnny B Goode), Tina Turner (The Best), Andy Taylor (Hungry Like the Wolf), Glen Campbell (Southern Nights), Olivia NJ (Other Greece hits or Physical) and even Rolf Harris (Tie me Kangaroo) have other songs that jumped into my head first. Choosing one song to represent some of those artists could be a game in its self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,671 Posted July 22, 2023 46 minutes ago, Commtech Sio Bibble said: I love this idea but I think they're may be some issues trying to come to a consensus over which song to use for each artist. Just reading through the list you've put up there are some picks that have immediately jumped out at me such for example 'We'll meet again' by Vera Lynn is probably one of the most iconic war time songs and people like Chuck Berry (Johnny B Goode), Tina Turner (The Best), Andy Taylor (Hungry Like the Wolf), Glen Campbell (Southern Nights), Olivia NJ (Other Greece hits or Physical) and even Rolf Harris (Tie me Kangaroo) have other songs that jumped into my head first. Choosing one song to represent some of those artists could be a game in its self Just to prove your point, different iconic songs immediately jumped into my head first for all of these. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
time 8,721 Posted July 22, 2023 @BookClive James – Grandad eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
time 8,721 Posted July 22, 2023 1989's Frank Bruno reached number 28 in 1995 with It doesn't sound much like him to be honest, know wot I mean 'arry? Jon Pertwee also had his singing head on for this 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Book 3,670 Posted July 22, 2023 54 minutes ago, time said: @BookClive James – Grandad eh? Ah, for me this is one for: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilham 782 Posted July 22, 2023 Not clear, help to clarify needed: Artie Shaw Benny Carter Bo Diddley Captain Beefheart Cleo Laine Genesis P-Orridge George Chisholm George Melly Ginger Baker Jerry Garcia Lionel Hampton Mark E. Smith Marti Caine Pete Seeger Ravi Shankar Ronnie Wood Sonny Rollins Wilko Johnson Genesis P-Orridge - Psychic TV song about Brian Jones's death "Godstar." Jerry Garcia - Grateful Dead "Touch of Grey" Pete Seeger is amazing but will completely flat line here I think... it's Americana folk music that needs a lot of context. "We Shall Overcome" possibly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,308 Posted July 22, 2023 Surely Baker would work with Sunshine Of Your Love no? That seems to be by far Cream’s most well known 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,671 Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, lilham said: Not clear, help to clarify needed: Bo Diddley - Bo Diddley Captain Beefheart - Abba Zabba George Melly - My Canary Has Circles under his eyes OR Ain't Misbehavin' Ginger Baker - Sunshine. Pete Seeger - Whos Side Are you on? Wilko Johnson - Roxette imo ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
