What Are We Killing & Saving Next?

[TQR 13,358]

Simple, really: what’s the plan?

[Book 3,406]

I have in mind that most players were interested in the No.2-hits and this has been a topic for a long time, so I went for it. That's only fair at this point.

[Toast 15,364]

Just to clarify, it's No 2s that never reached No 1, isn't it?

[Book 3,406]

19 minutes ago, Toast said:

Just to clarify, it's No 2s that never reached No 1, isn't it?

 

I'm not the game master for this, but I would understand that e.g. "Last Christmas" is generally considered a UK No.1 hit, although it only reached No.2 in 1984. The same applies to "All I want for Christmas is you". Both are decent No.1 hits in the UK, albeit years after their initial release.

[TQR 13,358]

29 minutes ago, Toast said:

Just to clarify, it's No 2s that never reached No 1, isn't it?

 

9 minutes ago, Book said:

 

I'm not the game master for this, but I would understand that e.g. "Last Christmas" is generally considered a UK No.1 hit, although it only reached No.2 in 1984. The same applies to "All I want for Christmas is you". Both are decent No.1 hits in the UK, albeit years after their initial release.

Yeah, pretty much this. Songs that peaked at No.2 on their initial chart run.

[Toast 15,364]

25 minutes ago, Book said:

 

I'm not the game master for this, but I would understand that e.g. "Last Christmas" is generally considered a UK No.1 hit, although it only reached No.2 in 1984. The same applies to "All I want for Christmas is you". Both are decent No.1 hits in the UK, albeit years after their initial release.

 

Well, both of those tick the Christmas Song box so will feature in a different game anyway. 

 

TQR's clarification of  "initial chart run" clears the deck of such anomalies.

[time 8,175]

As @wannamaker has volunteered to run the 00s, and @TQR has volunteered to run the Number 2s, why not run them in parallel? 

[TQR 13,358]

2 minutes ago, time said:

As @wannamaker has volunteered to run the 00s, and @TQR has volunteered to run the Number 2s, why not run them in parallel? 

I mean, we could do? I was gonna run the Christmas game in parallel with wherever the fuck we’re up to anyway.

 

As for the No.2s game, I’ll start with the 70s as we did before. I’ll work on it when I can and launch it ASAP (but that won’t be today as I’m out this evening, soz)

[Death Impends 7,587]

50s are the last No. 1s game that would hold any interest for me, though even then it would need a lot of creative liberties as while I like the latter part of the decade, doing Al Martino vs. Eddie Fisher type shite battles would make the late 80s look exciting.

 

No. 2s would be far more fun on the whole.

[ladyfiona 2,244]

If anyone needs help with No2's I found a website a while back with a complete list of British No2's.

 

I voted for 00's No1 and then No2's.

[TQR 13,358]

33 minutes ago, ladyfiona said:

If anyone needs help with No2's I found a website a while back with a complete list of British No2's.

 

I voted for 00's No1 and then No2's.

Cheers. I’ve started work on it; I’ll get 70s No.2s up and running tomorrow when I’ve finished formatting and all that gubbins.

 

There’s clearly an appetite for 00s and (to a lesser extent) 50s no.1 games too. I shall leave them in whoever else’s capable hands. 

[Clorox Bleachman 2,164]

As someone who's listened to every charting single from the 50s, please God no. Some may argue the noughties aren't much better but there's a lot of good amongst the bad.

[wannamaker 1,178]

Don't know what we're finally doing, but I'll start compiling the 00s songs just in case, if anything to keep me busy.

[TQR 13,358]

14 hours ago, wannamaker said:

Don't know what we're finally doing, but I'll start compiling the 00s songs just in case, if anything to keep me busy.

 

I've started the No.2s game by popular demand but the 00s No.1s can run in parallel!

[wannamaker 1,178]

11 hours ago, TQR said:

 

I've started the No.2s game by popular demand but the 00s No.1s can run in parallel!

 

I'm pretty much done, I'll start the game tomorrow.

[Book 3,406]

This is a new idea for a Kill or Save game, when other topics are done, so maybe one for next year:

 

Kill or Save: The Singing DeathList 

 

In this KoS, former or current candidates of the DeathList compete against each other (maybe two rounds and one Grand Final).

It can be singers and musicians, band members or anyone who has recorded a song.

With most candidates, it is clear which song they are competing with: the most successful or the most significant (I would also use the UK charts as a guide).

If an artist has been successful solo, but has also played in a group or band, I would choose the song from their solo career first, and only secondarily the hit of the group/band.

 

However, there are musicians, entertainers or orchestra leaders who didn't really have any typical songs. So we have to coordinate with a few people, like Cleo Laine or Sonny Rollins. They are certainly great artists, but did they have a big hit that they are known for or are always associated with? Or Jerry Garcia. I know the name, I know his band, but I really don't know any of their songs, I have to admit that to my shame. But please see below.

 

Also, I may have overlooked some artists or candidates who have also released a song without being primarily a musician, maybe politicians, sports commentators, school inspectors, whatever. So please name missing candidates and their songs.

 

The artists of the DeathList and their songs:

Andy Taylor (Duran Duran) – The Reflex

Aretha Franklin – Respect

Arthur Mullard – You're the one that I want (& Hylda Baker)

B.B. King – When love comes to town (& U2)

Bernie Nolan (The Nolans) – I'm in the mood for dancing

Brian Clough (Nottingham Forest & Paper Lace) – We've got the whole world in our hands

Bruce Forsyth - Almost like being in love

Burt Bacharach – Trains and boats and planes

Captain Tom Moore – You'll never walk alone (& Michael Ball)

Carly Simon – You're so vain

Charles Aznavour – She

Christopher Lee – I, Don Quixote (Metal Knight EP)

Chuck Berry – My ding-a-ling

Clive James Dunn – Grandad

David Crosby (Crosby, Stills & Nash) – Marrakesh Express

Dean Martin – Memories are made of this

Doris Day – Whatever will be, will be (Que sera, sera)

Dudley Moore – Goodbye-ee (& Peter Cook)

Etta James – At last

Fats Domino – Blueberry Hill

Fergie Frederiksen (Toto) – Stranger in town

Frank Sinatra – Strangers in the night

Frankie Laine – I believe

George Chisholm (Johnston Brothers) – Join in and sing again

Gerry Rafferty – Bakerstreet

Glen Campbell – Rhinestone Cowboy

Gord Downie (Tragically Hip) – Ahead by a century

Harry Belafonte – Mary's boy child

Harry Secombe – This is my song

Holly Johnson – Americanos

Ian Dury (& the Blockheads) – Hit me with your rhythm stick

Jerry Lee Lewis – Great balls of fire

John Lee Hooker – Boom Boom

Johnny Cash – A boy named Sue

Johnny Clegg (& Savuka) – Scatterlings of Africa (& Savuka)

Joni Mitchell – Big yellow taxi

Kenny Everett – Snot Rap

Les Paul – Vaya con dios (& Mary Ford)

Levi Stubbs (The Four Tops) – Reach out, I'll be there

Linda Nolan (The Nolans) – Gotta pull myself together

Linda Ronstadt – Don't know much (& Aaron Neville)

Little Richard – Good golly, Miss Molly

Liza Minnelli – Losing my mind

Loretta Lynn – Coalminer's Daughter

Lou Rawls – You'll never find another love like mine

Marianne Faithfull – Come and stay with me

Mel Brooks – To be or not to be

Norman Wisdom – Don't laugh at me ('cause I'm a fool)

Olivia Newton-John – Hopelessly devoted to you

Ozzy Osbourne – Changes (& Kelly Osbourne)

Patrick Swayze – She's like the wind

Patty Andrews (The Andrews Sisters) – Bei mir bist du schön

Perry Como – Magic Moments

Peter Shilton (England Squad) – This time we'll get it right

Peter Tork (The Monkees) - I'm a believer

Reg Presley (The Troggs) – With a girl like you

Robin Gibb – Saved by the bell

Rolf Harris – Two little boys

Roy Castle – Little white berry

Roy Rogers - Hoppy, Gene and me

Russell Watson – Someone like you (& Faye Tozer)

Ryuichi Sakamoto – Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence

Shane MacGowan (The Pogues) – Fairytale of New York

Shaun Ryder (Happy Mondays) – Step on

Spike Milligan (The Goons) – The Ying Tong Song

Telly Savalas – If

Terry Waite – When I dream

Timothy Leary (meets The Grid) – Origins of Dance

Tina Turner – What's love got to do with it

Tony Bennett – Stranger in paradise

Tony Martin – Walk hand in hand

Vera Lynn – My son, my son

Warren Zevon – Werewolves of London

Wendy Richard – Come outside (& Mike Sarne)

Willie Nelson – To all the girls I've loved before (& Julio Iglesias)

Yoko Ono – Walking on thin ice

 

With some artists it is not easy to choose a song. First and foremost, I orientate myself to the highest position in the charts.

But is that automatically the artist's most significant song?

What do you think? Most successful or most significant?

Harry Belafonte: Mary's boy Child (#1) vs. Banana Boat Song (#2)

Marianne Faithfull: Come and stay with me (#4) vs. Ballad of Lucy Jordan (#48)

Vera Lynn: My son my son (#1) vs. ???

Aretha Franklin: I knew you were waiting for me (#1) vs. Respect (#10)

Etta James: I just want to make love to you (#5) vs. At last (#39)

Joni Mitchell: Got 'til it's gone (with Janet Jackson) (#6) vs. Big yellow taxi (#11)

 

Nolan Sisters: I choose their most successful song for Bernie and their second succesful for Linda because Bernie seemed to be the lead singer.

 

Not clear, help to clarify needed:

Artie Shaw

Benny Carter

Bo Diddley

Captain Beefheart

Cleo Laine

Genesis P-Orridge

George Chisholm

George Melly

Ginger Baker

Jerry Garcia

Lionel Hampton

Mark E. Smith

Marti Caine

Pete Seeger

Ravi Shankar

Ronnie Wood

Sonny Rollins

Wilko Johnson

 

And what should we do with any one Beatle???

 

[wannamaker 1,178]

14 minutes ago, Book said:

What do you think? Most successful or most significant?

Harry Belafonte: Mary's boy Child (#1) vs. Banana Boat Song (#2)

Marianne Faithfull: Come and stay with me (#4) vs. Ballad of Lucy Jordan (#48)

Vera Lynn: My son my son (#1) vs. ???

Aretha Franklin: I knew you were waiting for me (#1) vs. Respect (#10)

Etta James: I just want to make love to you (#5) vs. At last (#39)

Joni Mitchell: Got 'til it's gone (with Janet Jackson) (#6) vs. Big yellow taxi (#11)

 

Nolan Sisters: I choose their most successful song for Bernie and their second succesful for Linda because Bernie seemed to be the lead singer.

 

Not clear, help to clarify needed:

Artie Shaw

Benny Carter

Bo Diddley

Captain Beefheart

Cleo Laine

Genesis P-Orridge

George Chisholm

George Melly

Ginger Baker

Jerry Garcia

Lionel Hampton

Mark E. Smith

Marti Caine

Pete Seeger

Ravi Shankar

Ronnie Wood

Sonny Rollins

Wilko Johnson

 

And what should we do with any one Beatle???

 

 

Like the idea, but a lot of the songs repeat from previous games so maybe it would be good to replace them (e.g. Chuck Berry could be Johnny B. Goode or Ian Dury could be Reasons to be Cheerful, pt. 3). Also, I would like Vera Lynn's song to be We'll Meet Again, don't know if it's her most significant, but it is my favourite.

[Commtech Sio Bibble 1,561]

18 minutes ago, Book said:

This is a new idea for a Kill or Save game, when other topics are done, so maybe one for next year:

 

Kill or Save: The Singing DeathList 

 

In this KoS, former or current candidates of the DeathList compete against each other (maybe two rounds and one Grand Final).

It can be singers and musicians, band members or anyone who has recorded a song.

With most candidates, it is clear which song they are competing with: the most successful or the most significant (I would also use the UK charts as a guide).

If an artist has been successful solo, but has also played in a group or band, I would choose the song from their solo career first, and only secondarily the hit of the group/band.

 

However, there are musicians, entertainers or orchestra leaders who didn't really have any typical songs. So we have to coordinate with a few people, like Cleo Laine or Sonny Rollins. They are certainly great artists, but did they have a big hit that they are known for or are always associated with? Or Jerry Garcia. I know the name, I know his band, but I really don't know any of their songs, I have to admit that to my shame. But please see below.

 

Also, I may have overlooked some artists or candidates who have also released a song without being primarily a musician, maybe politicians, sports commentators, school inspectors, whatever. So please name missing candidates and their songs.

 

With some artists it is not easy to choose a song. First and foremost, I orientate myself to the highest position in the charts.

But is that automatically the artist's most significant song?

I love this idea but I think they're may be some issues trying to come to a consensus over which song to use for each artist. Just reading through the list you've put up there are some picks that have immediately jumped out at me such for example 'We'll meet again' by Vera Lynn is probably one of the most iconic war time songs and people like Chuck Berry (Johnny B Goode), Tina Turner (The Best), Andy Taylor (Hungry Like the Wolf), Glen Campbell (Southern Nights), Olivia NJ (Other Greece hits or Physical) and even Rolf Harris (Tie me Kangaroo) have other songs that jumped into my head first. Choosing one song to represent some of those artists could be a game in its self

[msc 18,030]

46 minutes ago, Commtech Sio Bibble said:

I love this idea but I think they're may be some issues trying to come to a consensus over which song to use for each artist. Just reading through the list you've put up there are some picks that have immediately jumped out at me such for example 'We'll meet again' by Vera Lynn is probably one of the most iconic war time songs and people like Chuck Berry (Johnny B Goode), Tina Turner (The Best), Andy Taylor (Hungry Like the Wolf), Glen Campbell (Southern Nights), Olivia NJ (Other Greece hits or Physical) and even Rolf Harris (Tie me Kangaroo) have other songs that jumped into my head first. Choosing one song to represent some of those artists could be a game in its self

Just to prove your point, different iconic songs immediately jumped into my head first for all of these.

[time 8,175]

@BookClive James – Grandad

 

eh?

 

[time 8,175]

1989's Frank Bruno reached number 28 in 1995 with 

It doesn't sound much like him to be honest, know wot I mean 'arry?

 

Jon Pertwee also had his singing head on for this

 

[Book 3,406]

54 minutes ago, time said:

@BookClive James – Grandad

 

eh?

 

 

Ah, for me this is one for:

 

[lilham 695]

Not clear, help to clarify needed:

Artie Shaw

Benny Carter

Bo Diddley

Captain Beefheart

Cleo Laine

Genesis P-Orridge 

George Chisholm

George Melly

Ginger Baker

Jerry Garcia

Lionel Hampton

Mark E. Smith

Marti Caine

Pete Seeger

Ravi Shankar

Ronnie Wood

Sonny Rollins

Wilko Johnson

 

Genesis P-Orridge - Psychic TV song about Brian Jones's death "Godstar."

Jerry Garcia - Grateful Dead "Touch of Grey"

Pete Seeger is amazing but will completely flat line here I think... it's Americana folk music that needs a lot of context. "We Shall Overcome" possibly.

[Joey Russ 7,147]

Surely Baker would work with Sunshine Of Your Love no? That seems to be by far Cream’s most well known

[msc 18,030]

1 hour ago, lilham said:

Not clear, help to clarify needed:

Bo Diddley - Bo Diddley

Captain Beefheart - Abba Zabba

George Melly - My Canary Has Circles under his eyes OR Ain't Misbehavin' 

Ginger Baker - Sunshine. 

Pete Seeger - Whos Side Are you on?

Wilko Johnson - Roxette imo

 

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