Benjamin Netanyahu

[gcreptile 10,966]

Netanyahu and Erdogan were two very difficult partners for the West. Both just cant let go, but their time is almost simultaneously coming to an end.

[ObakeFilter 894]

7 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

Having surgery for an Hernia - must be serious to need it during this time of national emergency, 

Some speculate that this might be a cover-up for something entirely different (the so-called Hernia was discovered during a 'routine check' he had on Sabbath, in a hospital that runs according to the Jewish law and never even had those to begin with), the surgery is also performed by a colorectal surgeon that specializes in surgery of the colon.

[The Old Crem 3,583]

57 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Netanyahu and Erdogan were two very difficult partners for the West. Both just cant let go, but their time is almost simultaneously coming to an end.

I would never count either out till they gone. 

[YoungWillz 21,035]

I can see international support for him begin to drain away after the murder of the World Central Kitchen aid workers, including three Britons.

 

I still see no apology from Netanyahu or the IDF. I don't see how, given the aid workers were in clear communication with IDF forces and the logo of the WCK was on the top of the vehicle, repeated drone attacks occurred.

 

Leave him to Iran.

[ObakeFilter 894]

2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I can see international support for him begin to drain away after the murder of the World Central Kitchen aid workers, including three Britons.

 

I still see no apology from Netanyahu or the IDF. I don't see how, given the aid workers were in clear communication with IDF forces and the logo of the WCK was on the top of the vehicle, repeated drone attacks occurred.

 

Leave him to Iran.

It will make much more sense after reading this piece

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

[YoungWillz 21,035]

2 minutes ago, ObakeFilter said:

It will make much more sense after reading this piece

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

It's like....something a terrorist state would do. What kind of insanity is this?

[ObakeFilter 894]

22 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

It's like....something a terrorist state would do. What kind of insanity is this?

I don't remember if it was mentioned in this article, but there was a low ranking militant that went close to WCK's vehicle (but backed up before it started moving), this caused the car to be marked, and the intelligence decision was to allow up to 20 uninvolved casualties to take him down.

[YoungWillz 21,035]

I simply do not accept this is a war in its purest sense.

 

This is an operation to kill terrorists. I'm seeing no organised army in Palestine which justifies the horrors going on there. 

 

The only thing I can draw equivalence to is this. For example, the folk who blew up the London Underground and the London bus on 7 July 2005 were from Leeds and Aylesbury. Now let's assume the British intelligence had evidence that there were other members of a cell in those locations. What would they do? 

 

A. Have a special operation to seek out those suspects and bring them to justice. 

 

Or

 

B. Bomb the shit out of Leeds and Aylesbury in the hope of killing the suspects associated with the attack.

 

The casualties among civilians and the malnutrition and starvation just are not justified. You send your operatives into the tunnels, you seek out your enemy and keep civilian death to a minimum.

 

Netanyahu's history of course is quite different. He seems quite content with indiscriminate death and destruction which is not being very successful in releasing hostages or targeting terrorists.  The hateful talk of right wing settlers in Israel looking forward to having beach front properties in Gaza after this operation feeds this narrative.

 

This Lavender thing is just more evidence of a "don't care who dies" policy.

[En Passant 3,741]

32 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I can see international support for him begin to drain away after the murder of the World Central Kitchen aid workers, including three Britons

 

It's just a bit of a pity it took this to get support to drain away faster.

Reminds me too much of the old adage about 10,000 dead in some third world country = 100 in Europe = 10 in UK/USA = 1 royal or similar.

 

Still mystifies me that the apparent slaughter of thousands of civilians including kids doesn't seem to cut it. I keep thinking I'm missing something or reading the events wrongly somehow.

[ObakeFilter 894]

5 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I simply do not accept this is a war in its purest sense.

 

This is an operation to kill terrorists. I'm seeing no organised army in Palestine which justifies the horrors going on there. 

 

The only thing I can draw equivalence to is this. For example, the folk who blew up the London Underground and the London bus on 7 July 2005 were from Leeds and Aylesbury. Now let's assume the British intelligence had evidence that there were other members of a cell in those locations. What would they do? 

 

A. Have a special operation to seek out those suspects and bring them to justice. 

 

Or

 

B. Bomb the shit out of Leeds and Aylesbury in the hope of killing the suspects associated with the attack.

 

The casualties among civilians and the malnutrition and starvation just are not justified. You send your operatives into the tunnels, you seek out your enemy and keep civilian death to a minimum.

 

Netanyahu's history of course is quite different. He seems quite content with indiscriminate death and destruction which is not being very successful in releasing hostages or targeting terrorists.  The hateful talk of right wing settlers in Israel looking forward to having beach front properties in Gaza after this operation feeds this narrative.

 

This Lavender thing is just more evidence of a "don't care who dies" policy.

I agree, living in Israel, I'm going to have to admit that there are far too many genocidal freaks lurking around, but most of the people are kinda apathetic towards the whole thing and silently accept their government's actions and one could argue that this is even worse. Some of them balantly argue that they 'lost all their empathy to the people of gaza', some of them try to find excuses, others are just ignorant to what their government is doing within its own borders and in other places.

There was an extraordinary notion of revenge during the first few months that crossed barriers to the so-called centre-left, even some of the biggest opposers of Netanyahu didn't think for a second that they should refuse to participate, even until this very moment.

[msc 18,439]

12 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I simply do not accept this is a war in its purest sense.

 

This is an operation to kill terrorists. I'm seeing no organised army in Palestine which justifies the horrors going on there. 

 

The only thing I can draw equivalence to is this. For example, the folk who blew up the London Underground and the London bus on 7 July 2005 were from Leeds and Aylesbury. Now let's assume the British intelligence had evidence that there were other members of a cell in those locations. What would they do? 

 

A. Have a special operation to seek out those suspects and bring them to justice. 

 

Or

 

B. Bomb the shit out of Leeds and Aylesbury in the hope of killing the suspects associated with the attack.

 

The casualties among civilians and the malnutrition and starvation just are not justified. You send your operatives into the tunnels, you seek out your enemy and keep civilian death to a minimum.

 

Netanyahu's history of course is quite different. He seems quite content with indiscriminate death and destruction which is not being very successful in releasing hostages or targeting terrorists.  The hateful talk of right wing settlers in Israel looking forward to having beach front properties in Gaza after this operation feeds this narrative.

 

This Lavender thing is just more evidence of a "don't care who dies" policy.

 

A reminder that back in the nineties small steps were being made towards, if not peace, understanding. Then a fanatic, inspired by the words of Benjamin Netanyahu, shot Israeli leader Rabin dead. (In case you think I'm being unfair, a few weeks before Rabin was shot, Netanyahu led a protest march where he brought out a noose and had folk chant Death to Rabin.) Despite inflaming a situation that directly lead to the assassination of a political opponent, Netanyahu was able to take power afterwards, on the basis of being the strongman who can protect Israel from violence. And any time moves were made on either side (not enough of course) he was there to snuff them out. He built a coalition of the fearful, the trusting and the xenophobic. 

 

The attacks in October were an existential crisis for Netanyahu, because his entire career is based on being the strongman who prevents this, and it turned out his entire life was built on bollocks and lies, and his own actions had made things much, much worse.

 

The IDF attack on the charity workers doesn't surprise, because Jeremy Bowen (well known BBC journalist) was specifically targeted in 2000. There's been a flexible definition of enemy combatants used in the past, for which the buck stops with the man in charge: Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

For the terminally thick (not you, Willz), this does not mean the anti-semites are right. Fuck them. Israelis have a right to exist same as the rest of us, and racists can get to fuck, but...  the Palestinians also have those rights. This is only going to end through some form of two state peace treaty, and the warmonger leaders pretty much need to be removed for any chance of that to succeed. (This includes Hamas, who aren't the voices of all Palestine as much as Netanyahu isn't the voice of all Israel.)

 

It's not surprising, but it is extremely depressing. I can't see either side getting rid of their cunts, and meanwhile, children and innocents continue to die horribly.

[YoungWillz 21,035]

6 minutes ago, ObakeFilter said:

I agree, living in Israel, I'm going to have to admit that there are far too many genocidal freaks lurking around, but most of the people are kinda apathetic towards the whole thing and silently accept their government's actions and one could argue that this is even worse. Some of them balantly argue that they 'lost all their empathy to the people of gaza', some of them try to find excuses, others are just ignorant to what their government is doing within its own borders and in other places.

There was an extraordinary notion of revenge during the first few months that crossed barriers to the so-called centre-left, even some of the biggest opposers of Netanyahu didn't think for a second that they should refuse to participate, even until this very moment.

Netanyahu is imo putting the people of Israel in more danger. That is unforgiveable, given what happened on October 7th.

 

He seems hell bent on bringing Lebanon, Hezbollah and Iran into this and the attack on Syrian soil? 

 

He may be the destruction of Israel, not its saviour and that is an horrific prospect as well. 

[Grim Up North 3,725]

7 minutes ago, msc said:

For the terminally thick (not you, Willz),

So for all the terminally thick people except Willz? 

[Charles De Gaulle 484]

I dunno. I'm very cautionary optimistic about Benjamin Netanyahu going. The big fear for me is Ben Gvir taking over. Ben Gvir is a phenomenally evil man who makes Netanyahu look tame. 

[polar duck 866]

24 minutes ago, Charles De Gaulle said:

I dunno. I'm very cautionary optimistic about Benjamin Netanyahu going. The big fear for me is Ben Gvir taking over. Ben Gvir is a phenomenally evil man who makes Netanyahu look tame. 

 

Ben Gvir wouldn't be able to form (or lead) a coalition. If anyone is going to replace Bibi, it would be Benny Gantz or Yair Lapid.

[Youth in Asia 1,086]

2 hours ago, En Passant said:

 

It's just a bit of a pity it took this to get support to drain away faster.

Reminds me too much of the old adage about 10,000 dead in some third world country = 100 in Europe = 10 in UK/USA = 1 royal or similar.

 

 

Apparently there is a famine\conflict going on in Sudan in which the number of people dying are far more than in Gaza or Ukraine, but the west including the media are completely uninterested in it.

[ObakeFilter 894]

Netanyahu was once again hospitalized for unspecified reasons, a thing which sparked another round of rumors about him having pancreatic cancer.

 

[Brad252 807]

If a virus emerged with a 100% fatality rate in world leaders over the age of 70, world peace would arrive overnight.

[Bestparolanto 47]

On 05/04/2024 at 15:48, Youth in Asia said:

 

Apparently there is a famine\conflict going on in Sudan in which the number of people dying are far more than in Gaza or Ukraine, but the west including the media are completely uninterested in it.

Easy to guess it's because we are not involve in Sudan as we are in Israel & Ukraine... Both are massively supported by the West (at least, their leaders).

 

[Charles De Gaulle 484]

16 hours ago, ObakeFilter said:

Netanyahu was once again hospitalized for unspecified reasons, a thing which sparked another round of rumors about him having pancreatic cancer.

 

I'd be very skeptical about this. I remember very similar rumours were circulating about Putin not too long ago.

[ObakeFilter 894]

1 hour ago, Charles De Gaulle said:

I'd be very skeptical about this. I remember very similar rumours were circulating about Putin not too long ago.

I too would recommend taking it with a grain of salt, the only confirmed part is that he was hospitalized and no public announcement was given prior or after his stay.

[ObakeFilter 894]

ICC seeks arrest warrants against him, defense minister Gallant and Sinwar for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/20/middleeast/icc-israel-hamas-arrest-warrant-war-crimes-intl/index.html

[YoungWillz 21,035]

16 minutes ago, ObakeFilter said:

 ICC seeks arrest warrants against him, defense minister Gallant and Sinwar for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/20/middleeast/icc-israel-hamas-arrest-warrant-war-crimes-intl/index.html

I can already hear the screams of anti-semitism from here. 

 

Obviously, I am all for due process.

 

We know the names of every single Israeli hostage/citizen who has died. Not so for the thousands of dead Palestinians, sadly. 

 

I cannot understand Israeli right-wingers who want a beach front home in Gaza after the war. I cannot understand their desire to settle in Palestinian held areas. I cannot understand men, women and children who stand in the way of humanitarian aid. If there is a term "anti-Semitism", there is surely a term for those so rabidly right-wing pro-Jew - but I cannot seem to recall any such term. Folk like Rachel Riley, Maureen Lipman and Tracy-Ann Oberman whipping up fear and hate from the comfort of their comfortable lives thousands of miles from the conflict - sheesh.

 

But then I cannot understand the devastation of October 7, or the inability of Israel to foresee that attack. (Shades of Pearl Harbor [sic]).

 

Humanity loses again.

 

 

[ObakeFilter 894]

24 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I cannot understand Israeli right-wingers who want a beach front home in Gaza after the war. I cannot understand their desire to settle in Palestinian held areas. I cannot understand men, women and children who stand in the way of humanitarian aid.

The most promiment group in the Israeli right nowdays are the Religious Zionists (who in the last few weeks have been physically attacking drivers of random trucks in the occupied territories and Jerusalem), and other followers of HaRav Kook, they see this attack and the war that follows as a necessary step towards redemption, or Ge'ula as they call it, and the coming of the Messiah. For them, the people of Gaza are descendants of Amalek, and the people murdered in the attack are a necessary sacrifice to capture the land which they own, and rebuild Gush Katif.

[YoungWillz 21,035]

3 minutes ago, ObakeFilter said:

The most promiment group in the Israeli right nowdays are the Religious Zionists (who in the last few weeks have been physically attacking drivers of random trucks in the occupied territories and Jerusalem), and other followers of HaRav Kook, they see this attack and the war that follows as a necessary step towards redemption, or Ge'ula as they call it, and the coming of the Messiah. For them, the people of Gaza are descendants of Amalek, and the people murdered in the attack are a necessary sacrifice to capture the land which they own, and rebuild Gush Katif.

I wonder what their attitude would be to pickets and protests outside weapon facilities in the West destined for Israel. I can guess though.

 

Destroying humanitarian aid? Well, reciprocity.