TLC 9 Posted March 11, 2006 Absolutely, not the complete fault of the US and Europe, of course people like Milosevic, Tudjman and others had to buy the garbage that the west sold them in order to perform the atrocities they did. Ethnic tensions always exist in all parts of the world. The US especiall has a tendency to use it to create chaos which they can economicaly, militarilly and politicaly gain from. Which today turns out to be true in the case of the balkans. Regardless, the history of the west speaks for itself as it has blood on its hands from almost every war, genocide, murder, etc. that have occured in the last years. as stated in my first post, the book was scheduled to come out in April, not sure now what'll happen to it. I hope it'll still come out. I'll try to do some research on it and post info. So just mostly our fault then. I just figured that the Serbs & Croats fighting each other in WWII, then all having to live in one country under Tito's independent communist rule for about 45 years probably made tensions simmer for a bit before the west even got a chance to meddle, either with weapons or politics. I'm happy to be corrected on this if I'm wrong, however. I may be a bit out of my depth on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mili Sefic Posted March 11, 2006 Absolutely, not the complete fault of the US and Europe, of course people like Milosevic, Tudjman and others had to buy the garbage that the west sold them in order to perform the atrocities they did. Ethnic tensions always exist in all parts of the world. The US especiall has a tendency to use it to create chaos which they can economicaly, militarilly and politicaly gain from. Which today turns out to be true in the case of the balkans. Regardless, the history of the west speaks for itself as it has blood on its hands from almost every war, genocide, murder, etc. that have occured in the last years. as stated in my first post, the book was scheduled to come out in April, not sure now what'll happen to it. I hope it'll still come out. I'll try to do some research on it and post info. So just mostly our fault then. I just figured that the Serbs & Croats fighting each other in WWII, then all having to live in one country under Tito's independent communist rule for about 45 years probably made tensions simmer for a bit before the west even got a chance to meddle, either with weapons or politics. I'm happy to be corrected on this if I'm wrong, however. I may be a bit out of my depth on this one. If you havent already, I would suggest reading "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins Further, http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle....EVIC-POISON.xml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mili Sefic Posted March 11, 2006 ps. you're generalizing when you say "Our fault" typical american (98%) has no idea what goes on outside the box, its the 2% that run the show. Inside and outside the box. So before you go and start feeling guilty, don't! Its not your fault Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted March 11, 2006 ps. you're generalizing when you say "Our fault" typical american (98%) O so you record and study american phrases and even convert them into percentages? Some life you must have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M Busby Airlines 7 Posted March 11, 2006 ps. you're generalizing when you say "Our fault" typical american (98%) O so you record and study american phrases and even convert them into percentages? Some life you must have. Thats exactly what 61% of serbo-croats said in 2003. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 2,195 Posted March 11, 2006 Nothing concrete to add at all bar from how surprised I am, despite rumours of illness & suicide attempts and most of all, good riddance. I know a few Serbs, they were delighted when he went in 2000, I'd imagine they'd be estatic, yet cheated, with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadian Paul 97 Posted March 11, 2006 Nothing concrete to add at all bar from how surprised I am, despite rumours of illness & suicide attempts and most of all, good riddance. I know a few Serbs, they were delighted when he went in 2000, I'd imagine they'd be estatic, yet cheated, with this. My first inclination was that it was a suicide along the lines of Milan Babic. I'm exceedingly surprised that he might not have been faking his health problems. Now if only the same could be said about Pinochet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Whoopass 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Nothing concrete to add at all bar from how surprised I am, despite rumours of illness & suicide attempts and most of all, good riddance. I know a few Serbs, they were delighted when he went in 2000, I'd imagine they'd be estatic, yet cheated, with this. My first inclination was that it was a suicide along the lines of Milan Babic. I'm exceedingly surprised that he might not have been faking his health problems. Now if only the same could be said about Pinochet... The so-called 'rumours' suggesting he may have topped himself, or indeed, 'been topped' appear to be gathering pace... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted March 12, 2006 Yes UN tribunal seeking answers on his death. A Dutch forensic team were unable to determine a cause of death, so an autopsy was ordered! Results later today (Sunday)! Could be the guy of C4 doing it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tempus Fugit 214 Posted March 12, 2006 The BBC news ticker is reporting that a source has told Dutch TV that leprosy drugs have been found in Milosevic's blood. So suicide or murder is looking more likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newfie 0 Posted March 12, 2006 I think it is a real shame that Milosevic has died. Now, I must say that I am no fan of the man, not even a little. The shame here is that without a real conclusion to the trial, it leaves a lot of other things in limbo. A good, solid conviction of Milosevic could have opened the doors to getting a lot of people below him tossed in the can too. Without that keystone trial, that becomes exceptionally unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadian Paul 97 Posted March 12, 2006 I think it is a real shame that Milosevic has died. Now, I must say that I am no fan of the man, not even a little. The shame here is that without a real conclusion to the trial, it leaves a lot of other things in limbo. A good, solid conviction of Milosevic could have opened the doors to getting a lot of people below him tossed in the can too. Without that keystone trial, that becomes exceptionally unlikely. The Chief U.N. prosocutor agrees with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted March 12, 2006 I think it is a real shame that Milosevic has died. Now, I must say that I am no fan of the man, not even a little. The shame here is that without a real conclusion to the trial, it leaves a lot of other things in limbo. A good, solid conviction of Milosevic could have opened the doors to getting a lot of people below him tossed in the can too. Without that keystone trial, that becomes exceptionally unlikely. The Chief U.N. prosocutor agrees with you. Damn, you beat me to it Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 42 Posted March 12, 2006 From the BBC: Milosevic 'died from a heart attack' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted March 12, 2006 From the BBC: Milosevic 'died from a heart attack' Classical heart failure? What other types are there, Pop, rock, dance, country and western? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banshees Scream 110 Posted March 12, 2006 From the BBC: Milosevic 'died from a heart attack' CNN agrees - A heart attack it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted March 12, 2006 "classical heart failure". Classical heart failure? As opposed to what. Rock heart failure? Pop heart failure? Jazz heart fa.... Edit: Damn you, One Shot Paddy! You stole my joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted March 12, 2006 "classical heart failure". Classical heart failure? As opposed to what. Rock heart failure? Pop heart failure? Jazz heart fa.... Edit: Damn you, One Shot Paddy! You stole my joke. Great minds think alike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 6,101 Posted March 12, 2006 "classical heart failure". Classical heart failure? As opposed to what. Rock heart failure? Pop heart failure? Jazz heart fa.... Edit: Damn you, One Shot Paddy! You stole my joke. Great minds think alike Or Fools seldom differ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M Busby Airlines 7 Posted March 12, 2006 "classical heart failure". Classical heart failure? As opposed to what. Rock heart failure? Pop heart failure? Jazz heart fa.... Edit: Damn you, One Shot Paddy! You stole my joke. WHAT, you only got one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted March 12, 2006 Well, you know. I made a half decent attempt at a joke yesterday so I think I'm doing ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted March 12, 2006 "classical heart failure". Classical heart failure? As opposed to what. Rock heart failure? Pop heart failure? Jazz heart fa.... Edit: Damn you, One Shot Paddy! You stole my joke. Great minds think alike Or Fools seldom differ So true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M Busby Airlines 7 Posted March 12, 2006 Well, you know.I made a half decent attempt at a joke yesterday so I think I'm doing ok. We all should try our best,sometimes we err,forgiveness is a virtue I instill in my offspring. That & unarmed combat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted March 12, 2006 Reminds me of that great sketch on Monkey Dust of Milosevic. Not sure if anyone has seen it, Monkey Dust that is. I've only ever met one other person that has! I don´t know what you whant he was the best president of balkan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M Busby Airlines 7 Posted March 12, 2006 Reminds me of that great sketch on Monkey Dust of Milosevic. Not sure if anyone has seen it, Monkey Dust that is. I've only ever met one other person that has! I don´t know what you whant he was the best president of balkan I dont know Tito rates a mention. But he did have a very good neighbourhood watch scheme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites