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3 minutes ago, arghton said:

Grand Ayatollah Hossein Noori Hamedani, 97-year-old hardline cleric hospitalised. A few weeks ago he (according to PBS NewsHour) urged the Iranian govt to listen to the protestors, possibly one of the first good things he's done in his life

Oh God, he is clearly dying!

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German priest Peter Gumpel (Wikidead at 98

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On 17/11/2021 at 16:35, arghton said:

Ayatollah Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari dead at 83 or 84:

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1400/08/26/2609813/آیت-الله-محسن-مجتهد-شبستری-درگذشت

 

Assembly of Experts member since 1983, longtime parliament member in Iran. First Ayatollah/Maraji to die since September, but there are quite many above 90:

 

-. Sheikh Ayatollah Ali Tehrani (22 April 1926-) Theologian, critic of Khamenei's rule - but also his brother-in-law.

 

Adding the two names from 1932...

Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Hussain Najafi Dhakku (10 April 1932-) Only Pakistani marja.

Ayatollah Sheikh Ali Orumian (1932-) Ancient former Assembly of Experts member.

Ali Tehrani dead at 96.

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On 12/10/2022 at 14:43, arghton said:

Grand Ayatollah Hossein Noori Hamedani, 97-year-old hardline cleric hospitalised. A few weeks ago he (according to PBS NewsHour) urged the Iranian govt to listen to the protestors, possibly one of the first good things he's done in his life

Hossein Noori Hamedani discharged. Had a surgery and seemingly now recovering at home. 

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On 15/07/2021 at 15:15, arghton said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absattar_Derbisali

Now Absattar Derbisali, Kazakhstan's grand mufti 2000-2013 has died aged 73.

 

 

I should make a small list of these, as a lot of them seem to be dying lately...

 

Ahmad Al-Khalili (b. 1942) Grand Mufti of Oman, old frail guy who walks with a cane and seems to be asleep in some pictures of him.

Taj El-Din Hilaly (b. ca. 1941) "Grand Mufti of Australia and New Zealand" according to some from 1992 to 2007. "Controversial" (asshole), sometimes hospitalized.

Osman Nuhu Sharubutu (b. 1919) Chief Imam of Ghana. Ancient.

Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar (b. 1930/1939) Grand Mufti of India since 2019.

Othman Battikh (b. 1941) Grand Mufti of Tunisia, appointed by late dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in 2008.

Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh (b. 1943) Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia since 1999. Blind, looks like a reanimated corpse and also "controversial"

Sadiq Al-Ghariani (b. 1942) Grand Mufti of Libya since 2012. On a terrorism watchlist and says that suicide bombings are permitted by sharia law. Also looks like a corpse.

Ibrahim Ibn Saleh al-Hussaini (b. 1938) Grand Imam of Nigeria, old and overweight.

 

15th of August 2021 additions:

Abdul Aziz Juned (b. 1941) State Mufti of Brunei since 1994.

Allahshukur Pashazadeh (b. 1949) Grand Mufti of the Caucasus since the collapse of the Soviet Union. This includes Azerbaijan, Georgia and parts of Russia (Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Ingushetia, Chechnya, Karachay–Cherkessia and Adygea)

Othman Battikh dead at 81.

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On 22/08/2022 at 23:05, arghton said:

... Ilia II of Georgia is in very poor health battling advanced parkinson's and serious heart diseases and other health problems ...

Rumors going around that Ilia II will resign in December after 45 years of being the Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia. People seem to be denying the rumors, but soon 90 and suffering from parkinson's and heart ailments for over a decade, he won't live forever.

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I think he'll obit, he's a massive figure in Georgia. His death will also be a massive event in the country.

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On 26/08/2022 at 03:31, arghton said:

Georg Hille (28 December 1923) Norway

Lutheran, Bishop Emeritus of the Diocese of Hamar. His father Henrik Greve Hille (1881-1946) and grandfather Arnoldus Hille (1829-1919) were also Bishops of Hamar.

Georg Hille still alive, but his successor as the Bishop of the Diocese of Hamar 1993-2006, also the first woman bishop in the Church of Norway Rosemarie Köhndead at 83.

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Ayatollah Abbas Ali Akhtari, Iranian religious leader, Representative of Supreme Leader 1981-2003 and current member of the Assembly of Experts since 2020, being reported dead at 82 from cancer following a short hospitalisation.

 

Currently seems like the younger Ayatollahs are more ill than the nonagenarians. With the exceptions of Abbas Mahfouzi (was "on his deathbed" in 2016 after a severe brain hematoma and underwent brain surgery), Rahmati Sirjani (in coma in 2021) and al-Fayadh (suffering from multiple chronic illnesses), not a lot of the ancient ayatollahs seem ill.

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On 15/07/2021 at 16:15, arghton said:

I should make a small list of these, as a lot of them seem to be dying lately...

 

Ahmad Al-Khalili (b. 1942) Grand Mufti of Oman, old frail guy who walks with a cane and seems to be asleep in some pictures of him.

Taj El-Din Hilaly (b. ca. 1941) "Grand Mufti of Australia and New Zealand" according to some from 1992 to 2007. "Controversial" (asshole), sometimes hospitalized.

Osman Nuhu Sharubutu (b. 1919) Chief Imam of Ghana. Ancient.

Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar (b. 1930/1939) Grand Mufti of India since 2019.

Othman Battikh (1941-2022) Grand Mufti of Tunisia, appointed by late dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in 2008.

Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh (b. 1943) Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia since 1999. Blind, looks like a reanimated corpse and also "controversial"

Sadiq Al-Ghariani (b. 1942) Grand Mufti of Libya since 2012. On a terrorism watchlist and says that suicide bombings are permitted by sharia law. Also looks like a corpse.

Ibrahim Ibn Saleh al-Hussaini (b. 1938) Grand Imam of Nigeria, old and overweight.

Grand Mufti of India Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar hospitalised. Has been in hospital for 26 days now.

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On 17/10/2018 at 18:06, Joey Russ said:

Chrysostomos is now in critical condition "but stable" due to intestinal cancer:

https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/11/03/ieronymos-of-athens-in-cyprus-to-visit-archbishop-chrysostomos/

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On 09/09/2022 at 11:22, arghton said:

(From the Cardinals thread)

Out of the cardinals, who are known to be ill/very frail? Julius Darmaatmadja was already too ill to attend the 2013 conclave. Severino Poletto?

Ex-cardinal, pedo Theodore McCarrick looked very frail a year ago. Luis Héctor Villalba and Duarte Langa rarely appear anywhere but I have no idea if they're actually ill.

Villalba's successor Alfredo Zecca, Archbishop of Tucumán, Argentina 2011-2017, dead at 73 from heart failure. Pope Francis reportedly kicked him out of that position when he failed to defend anti-drug trafficking priest Juan Viroche who was found hanged in 2016 and accepted the official version of events that Viroche committed suicide.

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On 24/04/2022 at 18:25, drol said:

Nritya Gopal Das hospitalised for the 500th time in two years. Serious but stable.

Nritya Gopal Das hospitalised yet again.

 

It's like a cough cough to remind us a new batch of immortals is coming up...

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On 03/11/2022 at 21:36, gcreptile said:

Chrysostomos is now in critical condition "but stable" due to intestinal cancer:

https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/11/03/ieronymos-of-athens-in-cyprus-to-visit-archbishop-chrysostomos/

Chrysostomos is now in critical condition but dead.

https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/news/local/cyprus-greek-orthodox-archbishop-chrysostomos-ii-dies-at-81/

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2 hours ago, drol said:

 

Shortlist in October - "This is going to be a great team."

 

Shortlist in late December - "Oh FFS, better check how Jiang Zemin is doing..."

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If you want yet another very ill Orthodox leader, Irenaios of Crete (Greek wiki) who was the Archbishop of Crete from 2006-2021, has suffered from ALS for years, was seriously ill in 2020 with respiratory failure and underwent tracheotomy. He's 89!

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I think it's pretty impressive he's survived so long with ALS and a tracheotomy.

 

 

Not to be confused with Irenaios of Jerusalem, 140th patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem 2001-2005 who suffers from a serious chronic lung disease and had pulmonary edema in 2019. Has needed an oxygen tank for atleast three years.

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3 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Mario Conti, the former archbishop of Glasgow now seriously ill in hospital:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23110161.glasgow-archbishop-mario-conti-seriously-ill-hospital/

 

Another person I knew once. He's apparently more liberal in retirement. If only he'd been so in power. Very very anti-gay, like almost all of the John Paul II/Benedict appointees. 

 

Incidentally, the current chap in the job is to the left of his three immediate predecessors, and is friends with Francis so may rise to bigger things yet. (And also has heart issues.)

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19 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I stand by my previous comments. I know he was quite popular. We were fundamentally opposed on an important civil liberty. Given the former I'll say no more.

 

Though I knew and liked Bishop Mone. Great man, in actions and in beliefs and in basic compassion very liberal. A rarity among the top brass though.

 

I've no idea why, in a religion which follows the words attributed to Jesus (as an atheist his divinity or lack matters not a jot in this instance) the last two former popes could bark views, and promote people who shared them, which seemed so diametrically opposed to the Jesus they profess to love.

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Theologist with pancreatic cancer Tim Keller goes viral by asking the important stuff:

 

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5 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Theologist with pancreatic cancer Tim Keller goes viral by asking the important stuff:

 

 

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6 hours ago, gcreptile said:

Theologist with pancreatic cancer Tim Keller goes viral by asking the important stuff:

 

 

The comments ......  :lol:

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On 10/08/2022 at 23:14, drol said:

Brazilian sect lead... community founder Jonas Abib, 85, hospitalised with pneumonia .

 

Was diagnosed with cancer last year and another one who seemed on the brink of death before inexplicably recovering.

Jonas Abib hospitalised with aspiration pneumonia and also receiving chemotherapy for myeloma.

 

Rinse and repeat.

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