Derby Dead Pool 2013

[thefunkyfaz 51]

Well, last year was monumentally unsuccessful for me - joint 193rd for one team (4/20) and joint 322nd for t'other (3/20). Very poo-er. I think I've chosen better this year but the competition looks dangerously, erm, dangerous - some very good teams here. My picks for 2013 are..oh, just read the signature below...

[Whitehouse 872]

Were my lists confirmed? I've sent them three days ago but haven't recieved a confirmation.

 

Edit:

Didn't see clear. I got a reply for my themed list, but not the other one.

 

Here's my themed list:

 

Team Name: Pass me the Mike.

 

Joker (Pick 1): Michael Waltrip

Pick 2: Michael Douglas

Pick 3: Michael Withacker

Pick 4: Michael Caine

Pick 5: Michael Gambon

Pick 6: Michael J. Fox

Pick 7: Michael Keaton

Pick 8: Michael Shumacher

Pick 9: Michael Dikakis

Pick 10: Michael McDonald

Pick 11: Mick Jagger

Pick 12: (Michael) Duff McKagan

Pick 13: Michael Andretti

Pick 14: Michael Chiklis

Pick 15: Michael Madsen

Pick 16: Michael Jordan

Pick 17: Michael Bolton

Pick 18: Michael Bay

Pick 19: Michael Ballack

Pick 20: Mike Tyson

 

Reserve Pick(s):

Michael Myers

Mike Oldfield

mika brzezinski (only female here)

 

 

 

I expect the confirmation, but here's the main team.

 

 

Joker (Pick 1): Madeleine Albright

Pick 2: Dries van Agt, former PM of the Netherlands

Pick 3: Teake van der Meer, Frisian entertainer and sure to get a Dutch obit.

Pick 4: Barry Gibb

Pick 5: Nile Rodgers

Pick 6: Nancy Reagan

Pick 7: Bob Dole

Pick 8: Jean “Toots” Tielemans

Pick 9: Arie Ribbens, Dutch entertainer

Pick 10: Fred Phelps

Pick 11: Berry Gordy

Pick 12: Smokey Robinson

Pick 13: Hans Wiegel, Politician

Pick 14: Anderson Cooper

Pick 15: Bob Smalhout

Pick 16: Horace Cohen, Comedian

Pick 17: Maureen O’Hara

Pick 18: Kirk Douglas

Pick 19: Peter Salis

Pick 20: Piet romeijn, Dutch footbal international, First person to call a referee “Hondenlul” (dog’s dick)

 

 

 

 

Reserve Pick(s):

 

 

Stephen Hawking

Jan Des Bouvrie, Dutch designer

Michael Douglas

[RIP Wee Jum 1,559]

My two teams

 

The Arab League (Arabs)

Pick 1: Hamida al-Attas (JOKER)

Pick 2: Mahmoud Abbas

Pick 3: Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud

Pick 4: Sheikh Al-Ahmad Al Jaber Al-Sabah

Pick 5: Mohammed Al-Fayed

Pick 6: Tariq Aziz

Pick 7: Farouk al-Sharaa

Pick 8: Nouri al-Maliki

Pick 9: Omar Abdel-Rahman

Pick 10: Omar Al-Bashir

Pick 11: Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri

Pick 12: Yusuf Al-Qaradawi

Pick 13: Ayman al-Zawahri

Pick 14: Moqtada al-Sadr

Pick 15: Abu Hamza al-Masri

Pick 16: Maher Al-Assad

Pick 17: Bashar Al-Assad

Pick 18: Riad al-Asaad

Pick 19: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Pick 20: Fereydoon Abbasi-Davani

 

Let's Get Ready To Rumble (People who were on hand @ Wretlemania 1)

Pick 1: Muhammad Ali (JOKER)

Pick 2: Pat Patterson

Pick 3: Bob Orton, Jr.

Pick 4: Paul Orndorff

Pick 5: "Rowdy" Roddy Piper

Pick 6: Jimmy Snuka

Pick 7: Mr. T

Pick 8: Hulk Hogan

Pick 9: Bobby Heenan

Pick 10: Barry Windham

Pick 11: Mike Rotunda

Pick 12: Iron Sheik

Pick 13: Nikolai Volkoff

Pick 14: Greg Valentine

Pick 15: Johnny Valiant

Pick 16: Brutus Beefcake

Pick 17: Bruno Sammartino

Pick 18: Tito Santana

Pick 19: Jimmy Hart

Pick 20: King Kong Bundy

[Magere Hein 1,400]

I expect the confirmation, but here's the main team.

 

Pick 3: Teake van der Meer, Frisian entertainer and sure to get a Dutch obit.

Pick 9: Arie Ribbens, Dutch entertainer

Pick 13: Hans Wiegel, Politician

Pick 15: Bob Smalhout

Pick 20: Piet romeijn, Dutch footbal international, First person to call a referee “Hondenlul” (dog’s dick)

 

Several brave picks there. 3, 9, 15 and 20 are not very likely to get UK obits. 13 will, but seems quite healthy.

 

regards,

Hein

[Whitehouse 872]

A bit unfair since there are numerous Brits I've never heard off. But okay, the rules.... (I could get lucky and get some unique picks.)

 

 

I Recieved confirmiation on the lists. Thanks.

[Death Impends 7,963]

I got the conformation for my theme team, if receiving the DDP Digest is tantamount to a confirmation then I also have for my main.

[SchindlerHaughton 1]

Mine is as follows:

 

 

Team Name: Melon Smashers & Melon Heads

 

1. Clive James (joker)

2. Margaret Thatcher

3. Jerry Lewis

4. Gallagher

5. Dick Cheney

6. Zsa Zsa Gabor

7. Billy Graham

8. Bob Dole

9. Michael Winner

10. Mary Tyler Moore

11. Muhammad Al

12. Hugo Chavez

13. Prince Philip

14. George H.W. Bush

15. Stan Lee

16. John Derbyshire

17. Bob Barker

18. Ray Price

19. Van Cliburn

20. Bonnie Franklin

 

Reserve Picks: Courtney Love, Lindsay Lohan, Ethan Zohn

 

Gallagher might not get a UK obit, but is an otherwise promising pick. He's my unique pick (hopefully).

[Eesti 151]

I am wondering, why teams don't get points if a person dies in 2012 and gets obit 2013. I understand that in some point you have to draw a line, because otherwise the results wouldn't be final. Neverthe less it is sad to see people lose points. Wouldn't it be better, if the person gets points if the obit comes within the first week of new year? It is obvious, that you don't get points in 2013 if a person dies in 2012, but still - the obit question.

 

What do others think?

[Bert Trautmann 58]

I am wondering, why teams don't get points if a person dies in 2012 and gets obit 2013. I understand that in some point you have to draw a line, because otherwise the results wouldn't be final. Neverthe less it is sad to see people lose points. Wouldn't it be better, if the person gets points if the obit comes within the first week of new year? It is obvious, that you don't get points in 2013 if a person dies in 2012, but still - the obit question.

 

What do others think?

 

I think if someone doesn't die in 2013, then they shouldn't count in 2013. It's unlucky in cases which happen on the 31st but any other cut-off point would be arbitrary.

[Toast 16,132]

I think it would be fair to allow points* for a late December death if the qualifying obit came on 1 January. This would not cause an undue delay to the final results.

 

* just to clarify: points to count for the year ending, not the year just starting.

[Windsor 2,233]

My theme team for 2013.

 

(All have been appointed to the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire)

 

1. Rev Billy Graham, KBE (Joker).

2. Sir Nicholas Winton, MBE.

3. Liz Smith, MBE.

4. Dora Bryan, OBE.

5. Steven Hawking, CBE.

6. Peter Sallis, OBE.

7. Liz Dawn, MBE.

8. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, GBE and Grand Master.

9. Anna Wing, MBE.

10. Henry Kissenger, KBE.

11. Clive James, CBE.

12. Sir Morgan Morgan-Giles, OBE.

13. Stuart Hall, OBE.

14. Sir Robert G. Edwards, CBE.

15. Denis Healy, MBE.

16. Dennis Norden, CBE.

17. Sir Terry Pratchett, OBE.

18. The Lord Attenborough, CBE.

19. Sir Christopher Lee, CBE.

20. Leslie Phillips, CBE.

[Going Underground 74]

I think it would be fair to allow points* for a late December death if the qualifying obit came on 1 January. This would not cause an undue delay to the final results.

 

* just to clarify: points to count for the year ending, not the year just starting.

 

I agree. If one of your current picks dies on New Years Eve it is unlikely any death announcement will be until the next year. I think the previous years final points count should not be officially announced until at least 3rd/4th Jan.

[Bert Trautmann 58]

I think it would be fair to allow points* for a late December death if the qualifying obit came on 1 January. This would not cause an undue delay to the final results.

 

* just to clarify: points to count for the year ending, not the year just starting.

 

I agree. If one of your current picks dies on New Years Eve it is unlikely any death announcement will be until the next year. I think the previous years final points count should not be officially announced until at least 3rd/4th Jan.

 

But then who or what dictates whether it should be on the 3rd or the 4th or the 5th? Any cut-off point other than the turn of the year would be completely arbitrary...you'd just be moving the problem a few days forward if someone ended up getting the obituary on the 6th for example

[Toast 16,132]

I think it would be fair to allow points* for a late December death if the qualifying obit came on 1 January. This would not cause an undue delay to the final results.

 

* just to clarify: points to count for the year ending, not the year just starting.

 

I agree. If one of your current picks dies on New Years Eve it is unlikely any death announcement will be until the next year. I think the previous years final points count should not be officially announced until at least 3rd/4th Jan.

 

But then who or what dictates whether it should be on the 3rd or the 4th or the 5th? Any cut-off point other than the turn of the year would be completely arbitrary...you'd just be moving the problem a few days forward if someone ended up getting the obituary on the 6th for example

 

No, sorry, Bert - I don't agree. As things stand, there is virtually no chance of scoring points from a perfectly legitimate pick if said pick expires on 31 December. This surely is not fair. I think there's a case for giving a day's grace - possibly two, but I wouldn't extend it further than that as a line must be drawn, as you say.

[Bert Trautmann 58]

I think it would be fair to allow points* for a late December death if the qualifying obit came on 1 January. This would not cause an undue delay to the final results.

 

* just to clarify: points to count for the year ending, not the year just starting.

 

I agree. If one of your current picks dies on New Years Eve it is unlikely any death announcement will be until the next year. I think the previous years final points count should not be officially announced until at least 3rd/4th Jan.

 

But then who or what dictates whether it should be on the 3rd or the 4th or the 5th? Any cut-off point other than the turn of the year would be completely arbitrary...you'd just be moving the problem a few days forward if someone ended up getting the obituary on the 6th for example

 

No, sorry, Bert - I don't agree. As things stand, there is virtually no chance of scoring points from a perfectly legitimate pick if said pick expires on 31 December. This surely is not fair. I think there's a case for giving a day's grace - possibly two, but I wouldn't extend it further than that as a line must be drawn, as you say.

 

I suppose you're right, deaths are usually only reported the following day...I wouldn't have a problem with a day's grace but I do worry that people would then argue for the line to be pushed further and further out. The only reason I'd want the deadline to remain as it is would be to prevent arguments about the point at which a pick does or does not count. Failing to score points on a pick who died on the 31st may have to be an unlucky, unfair but necessary sacrifice in that scenario.

[time 8,596]

I am wondering, why teams don't get points if a person dies in 2012 and gets obit 2013. I understand that in some point you have to draw a line, because otherwise the results wouldn't be final. Neverthe less it is sad to see people lose points. Wouldn't it be better, if the person gets points if the obit comes within the first week of new year? It is obvious, that you don't get points in 2013 if a person dies in 2012, but still - the obit question.

 

What do others think?

 

One of my picks for 2011 (Ronald Wolfe) died 18th December but no obit was forthcoming until January Did I feel aggrieved at missing out on the points? Not that much, and I soon got over any disappointment when the 2012 competition got under way.

 

I understood the rules when I entered; it is when all's said and done, a bit of fun.

 

As an academic exercise, maybe someone could have a look at the last couple of years or so and see if allowing early-next-year obits would have made any difference to the final result.

[Toast 16,132]

Yes, but at least you had a fair chance of an obit arriving. No chance of that with NYE stiffs.

 

(Well, unless it's some sort of spectacular accident like a survivorless plane crash in which celeb is known to be involved)

[themaninblack 2,112]

I am wondering, why teams don't get points if a person dies in 2012 and gets obit 2013. I understand that in some point you have to draw a line, because otherwise the results wouldn't be final. Neverthe less it is sad to see people lose points. Wouldn't it be better, if the person gets points if the obit comes within the first week of new year? It is obvious, that you don't get points in 2013 if a person dies in 2012, but still - the obit question.

 

What do others think?

 

One of my picks for 2011 (Ronald Wolfe) died 18th December but no obit was forthcoming until January Did I feel aggrieved at missing out on the points? Not that much, and I soon got over any disappointment when the 2012 competition got under way.

 

I understood the rules when I entered; it is when all's said and done, a bit of fun.

 

As an academic exercise, maybe someone could have a look at the last couple of years or so and see if allowing early-next-year obits would have made any difference to the final result.

 

Er...but it did win points!

 

Unless of course you mean Ronald SEARLE!

 

This has happened already this year, with Daphne Oxenford dying on 21st December but the obit only coming to light today. Of course I'll make an exception if the legit obit is published before 23:59 31st December but I'm only made aware of it after January 1st...

 

Thing is, there has to be a cut off point. During the year, you often get the likes of the Independent printing obits months after the pick has died. In DDP, you are straight into the next year, no close season or nothing. I can't juggle around two years at the same time. If Father Time says it's 2013, then it's 2013 and on we go...

[time 8,596]

Yes, but at least you had a fair chance of an obit arriving. No chance of that with NYE stiffs.

 

(Well, unless it's some sort of spectacular accident like a survivorless plane crash in which celeb is known to be involved)

 

I suspect that may depend on who it is, and what time of day it happened. An announcement on the BBC (or other qualifying news-source) website would suffice, and if, say, Maggie dropped, or HM or Phil went, there's a pretty good chance one would be up more or less straight away if it were Ronald Coase or Lindsay Lohan, we might have to wait a bit longer.

[time 8,596]

 

Er...but it did win points!

 

Unless of course you mean Ronald SEARLE!

 

 

I probably do. Still, you get the gist of it.

[Windsor 2,233]

I suppose it wouldn't be a problem if we all chose ACTUAL celebrities...

[Going Underground 74]

I think it would be fair to allow points* for a late December death if the qualifying obit came on 1 January. This would not cause an undue delay to the final results. * just to clarify: points to count for the year ending, not the year just starting.

I agree. If one of your current picks dies on New Years Eve it is unlikely any death announcement will be until the next year. I think the previous years final points count should not be officially announced until at least 3rd/4th Jan.

But then who or what dictates whether it should be on the 3rd or the 4th or the 5th? Any cut-off point other than the turn of the year would be completely arbitrary...you'd just be moving the problem a few days forward if someone ended up getting the obituary on the 6th for example

 

Yes understood Bert and agree but the way it is leaves the competition open for someone to have a valid pick in a current year and it not get counted and may cost them a vital leader-board place. May as well say the 31st December doesn't count.

 

Ok, maybe have until at least 23:59 on 1st Jan. That gives exactly 1 day for a new years eve hit to get an obit/mention and score points for the team. Surely a NYE hit must be given at least 24 hrs?

[Going Underground 74]

sorry guys didn't see the subsequent discussion after Berts post before posting my reply.

[Toast 16,132]

Yes, but at least you had a fair chance of an obit arriving. No chance of that with NYE stiffs.

 

(Well, unless it's some sort of spectacular accident like a survivorless plane crash in which celeb is known to be involved)

 

I suspect that may depend on who it is, and what time of day it happened. An announcement on the BBC (or other qualifying news-source) website would suffice, and if, say, Maggie dropped, or HM or Phil went, there's a pretty good chance one would be up more or less straight away if it were Ronald Coase or Lindsay Lohan, we might have to wait a bit longer.

 

There's usually at least a few hours between death and announcement, though.

 

May as well say the 31st December doesn't count.

 

Agree. I don't make the rules, and so it's not for me to say, but IF I did, I'd allow that extra 24 hours for obits.

[Magere Hein 1,400]

There's usually at least a few hours between death and announcement, though.

 

How inconsiderate. Can't they announce NYE deaths a few hours before the celebrity in question buys the farm?

 

regards,

Hein