Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[Joey Russ 7,228]

I'm starting to see where this is heading, and it's not going to end well for trump... 

 

[Spade_Cooley 9,538]

So recent polls show that while the Labour vote is holding up well in London, its collapsing elsewhere, especially in old Labour strongholds like the industrial Midlands. So what's their big plan?

 

 

[Grim Up North 3,727]

Haha - wonder if the Grimethorpe Colliery Band (movie Brassed Off (Gloria, Gloria Stitts)) will be involved.

[YoungWillz 21,062]

The Government recently made it more difficult for people to go on strike...(but they are all for worker's rights, now there's an election).

 

So, the nurses want to go on strike, fresh wave of rail workers' strikes and remember the junior doctors? (All in Conservative England).

 

Great, isn't it?

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

On 5/16/2017 at 15:36, YoungWillz said:

The Government recently made it more difficult for people to go on strike...(but they are all for worker's rights, now there's an election).

 

So, the nurses want to go on strike, fresh wave of rail workers' strikes and remember the junior doctors? (All in Conservative England).

 

Great, isn't it?

Quote:

• All ballots for industrial action are only valid if 50% of those entitled to vote do so
• In certain important public services, there is an additional requirement that 40% of those entitled to vote must vote in favour of the action
• The voting paper must include a summary of the matter or matters in issue in the trade dispute to which the proposed industrial action relates
• Where the voting paper contains a question about taking part in industrial action short of a strike, the type or types of industrial action must be specified (either in the question itself or elsewhere on the voting paper)
• The voting paper must indicate the period or periods within which the industrial action or, as the case may be, each type of industrial action is expected to take place
• All employees entitled to vote must be given key information on the results of the ballot
• Notification of industrial action will be 14 days- or 7 if agreed with the employer
• The ballot is valid only for 6 months- or 9 months if agreed with the employer
• Introduction of a requirement to report to the Certification Officer on industrial action and political expenditure, and enforcement powers by the Certification Officer in relation to these requirements
• A number of measures are being introduced to tackle intimidation of those willing to work and controls for picket lines

So, what is it there that is SO unfair?

If a union cannot even get 50% of their membership to vote then it says that the rest dont care much of a fuck for industrial action, right?

Currently, 20% of  a workforce can ensure that the other 80% have to go on strike if the 80% didnt want to vote.

Thats not right, surely!

Yes, its going to be harder to strike, its going to mean more negotiating, more ACAS, more jaw jaw and more consent from the MAJORITY of the workforce.

Is that really wrong?

Course its not.

Ive been paying into the CWU for 28 years and i would be mightily fucked off If I had to go out on strike because less than half of the workforce voted for it.

[charon 4,943]

Fucking hell lfn. Collective bargaining when your paying your 'leader' £200k+ means you're being shafted. You can still 'strike' without the Union, and it should be a personal thing anyway. Withhold Labour/walk.

In other news, the dungaree wearing dug face suspends all Liebour councillors in Aberdeen . Why? Coalition with the Tory scum. Sorry lesbo cow, that's what YOU did in Indy Ref , I hope you drown in your tears you cuntess. But your salary from Union retards will keep you warm.......

 

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

7 minutes ago, charon said:

Fucking hell lfn. Collective bargaining when your paying your 'leader' £200k+ means you're being shafted. You can still 'strike' without the Union, and it should be a personal thing anyway. Withhold Labour/walk.

In other news, the dungaree wearing dug face suspends all Liebour councillors in Aberdeen . Why? Coalition with the Tory scum. Sorry lesbo cow, that's what YOU did in Indy Ref , I hope you drown in your tears you cuntess. But your salary from Union retards will keep you warm.......

 

Aye, true.

The CWU are fucking useless anyway, they aint interested in Openreach staff as we dont carry satchels and drive fucking Postman Pat vans.

Mind you, I would have assumed that Comrade Willz would have been more enraged at the Tories seeking to make it easier for employers to get shot of employees at will.

THAT, is waaaay more dangerous than making unions work harder to get consent to take industrial action.

[YoungWillz 21,062]

A. I didn't say it was unfair. I'm just pointing out that the Thatcherite line that May is following obviously isn't working. People are still going on strike despite her best efforts. The Government say they are for the workers - the same Government that yet again made it harder for you to take an employer to a tribunal, and practically impossible in some cases. I'll absolutely agree with you there.

 

B. "Comrade"? Branding people this way is the same way May says you're not patriotic if you don't agree with her. The same as Labour brand "ordinary people". As both parties brand people by class, thus perpetuating the same old struggles which have constipated this country for generations. I'm for the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'm for big business, provided they pay their taxes and don't take their workers for granted, maybe even ethical capitalism. I'm even against gay marriage - that surprised you, didn't it? Everyone is different with differing opinions on certain issues. Don't bunch me in with some homogenous group that doesn't exist.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

16 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

A. I didn't say it was unfair. I'm just pointing out that the Thatcherite line that May is following obviously isn't working. People are still going on strike despite her best efforts. The Government say they are for the workers - the same Government that yet again made it harder for you to take an employer to a tribunal, and practically impossible in some cases. I'll absolutely agree with you there.

 

B. "Comrade"? Branding people this way is the same way May says you're not patriotic if you don't agree with her. The same as Labour brand "ordinary people". As both parties brand people by class, thus perpetuating the same old struggles which have constipated this country for generations. I'm for the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'm for big business, provided they pay their taxes and don't take their workers for granted, maybe even ethical capitalism. I'm even against gay marriage - that surprised you, didn't it? Everyone is different with differing opinions on certain issues. Don't bunch me in with some homogenous group that doesn't exist.

I branded you Comrade because you are a socialist.............well you are, arent you?

The absolute bulk of your distain is aimed at the Capitalist Government and rarely at the Socialist opposition.

Its how you come across in your postings on this thread.

Im pretty certain Im not the only person that assumes you are.

Everybody has their own opinions Willz, Ive already stated that I think they are all shit but you have pushed the 'Tories are shit' schtick an awful lot more than the Corbyn is a clueless cunt thing, despite you previously concuring that they are all shit.

Yeah, we all have different opinions ( im for Gay marriage, why do you assume Id think you were for it too?  ) but 99.999% of what you post on this thread bashes just the one Political elite.

I mean, not one Diane Abbott cant count joke!

Not a single titter about Tim Farron etc.

Come on man!

 

 

 

[Deathray 2,941]

The scottish exec were right to suspend those councillors, the clear common sense option was a SNP-Labour coalition.

[YoungWillz 21,062]

35 minutes ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

I branded you Comrade because you are a socialist.............well you are, arent you?

The absolute bulk of your distain is aimed at the Capitalist Government and rarely at the Socialist opposition.

Its how you come across in your postings on this thread.

Im pretty certain Im not the only person that assumes you are.

Everybody has their own opinions Willz, Ive already stated that I think they are all shit but you have pushed the 'Tories are shit' schtick an awful lot more than the Corbyn is a clueless cunt thing, despite you previously concuring that they are all shit.

Yeah, we all have different opinions ( im for Gay marriage, why do you assume Id think you were for it too?  ) but 99.999% of what you post on this thread bashes just the one Political elite.

I mean, not one Diane Abbott cant count joke!

Not a single titter about Tim Farron etc.

Come on man!

 

 

 

Not a socialist no, ha ha.

 

I bash the Tories because they are in power. What they do matters. As I've said before, put someone else in power and I'll bash them too. Hard! I actually don't think Corbyn is clueless, but I do think most of his party are careerist politicians who'd drop their constituents for a cushy job at the drop of a hat rather than go down the soup kitchen with their voting base. That's not to say other parties don't have them. Diane Abbott makes her own jokes, I don't need to intervene, lol. I will try harder, but it's the ones in power who do things which affect us all, so they get the big schtick!

 

I thought you might assume I was pro-gay marriage because (a) you assumed I was a socialist, and (b) I am gay. It's an example of parts of my right-wingedness I was highlighting to show I'm not the lefty libertarian my posts in here might suggest.

 

 

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

3 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Not a socialist no, ha ha.

 

I bash the Tories because they are in power. What they do matters. As I've said before, put someone else in power and I'll bash them too. Hard! I actually don't think Corbyn is clueless, but I do think most of his party are careerist politicians who'd drop their constituents for a cushy job at the drop of a hat rather than go down the soup kitchen with their voting base. That's not to say other parties don't have them. Diane Abbott makes her own jokes, I don't need to intervene, lol. I will try harder, but it's the ones in power who do things which affect us all, so they get the big schtick!

 

I thought you might assume I was pro-gay marriage because (a) you assumed I was a socialist, and (b) I am gay. It's an example of parts of my right-wingedness I was highlighting to show I'm not the lefty libertarian my posts in here might suggest.

 

 

I always assumed socialists were totally in favour of same sex marriage!

I really had no idea you were gay.. 

 

[YoungWillz 21,062]

Lol, I really will have to make myself clearer on here!

[msc 18,479]

We've got right wingers, left wingers, socialists, Tories, Republicans, Democrats, contrarians, Charon, the lot on here, all mostly united by that common philosophical query: they've picked Javier de Cuellar? Again?

 

 

 

 

[charon 4,943]

 

[charon 4,943]

Awww msc , a classification of my own

[YoungWillz 21,062]

Hey, how about I launch another rant? It's only been a few hours and following LFN's guidelines I'm going to try to be even-handed. After all, there's an election on!

 

Let's start unusually with Labour. Rhodri Morgan dies and it's a case of national tragedy, leading to a respectful suspension of campaigning on the day the Conservatives launch their manifesto. Good one, I'm sure Rhodri would want Labour to stop campaigning when they are in dire need of representing their policies to try and get their numbers up. Someone dies and it's a day off - not good, not good. Also, not turning up for a Leaders' Debate is exactly what Theresa wants Jezza, she wants people to agree with her, not oppose her, so by agreeing with her not to turn up, you've strengthened her position. As for that Len McCluskey, don't try and double bluff the electorate, most of them aren't sophisticated enough to say to themselves "Hey we'd better get out and vote Labour, looks like my vote might matter" if they think a safe seat isn't. I could tear into their policies, but I've done that already and it's Tory day. Except to say, good luck with proposing a higher tax take when supporting leaving the EU - if we have a more disadvantageous system, watch the capital, labour and business fly across the Channel soon as you like.

 

Well, meantime the Tories launch their manifesto and from what I hear, I think the term is "it's a doosy" - but while we Scots will be largely untouched by the changes, it's a different story for you down South. Abolishing free school meals for infants (except for the poorest), abolishing winter fuel payments (except for the poorest) and that will all pay for a revolution in social care. Are you actually buying this? Making the youngest children possibly going hungry or not eating well precisely stores up trouble for education standards and health issues, surely? More and more people seem to be just getting by, take away their early years meals - whit? Meantime, on personal care, you English and Welsh are paying more (thus the State will pay less), due to assessment changes, safe in the knowledge you won't have to sell the house - until you are dead of course when most of it will be stolen to pay for the care you used up during your lifetime. So the Tories, the party of home ownership, give a positive disincentive for you to own your own home. Not that you'll get one anyway, because I've heard nothing on housing other than "we will build more social housing, which we shall sell off in a few years to the tenants". Well good luck with all of that E&W,  because it's continued cuts and austerity and you are paying more anyway - for everything. It's all an offset with nothing to tickle productivity, an admission that growth is probably going to slow or end up negative with a rise in inflation and stagnant wages. Same old same old, the rich will get richer and everyone below that can just about manage.

 

Also, are the LibDems proposing the legalisation of cannabis and a second referendum so we can all get high when we vote for no deal rather than any deal?

 

None of them could manage a pee-up in a brewery so far. Now my hands hurt from typing and your eyes probably hurt from reading, so I'm off out for a walk to cool off.

 

Tuppence spent!

[YoungWillz 21,062]

I'm going to say it now - hung Parliament.

[msc 18,479]

If its a hung parliament, you need to take over the Deathlist Cup, because I will die due to overdose of schadenfreude.

[Deathray 2,941]

Latest polls look to be 49% to 34% and 45% to 32%. So while it looks as though the Coronation has been stemmed somewhat it's not going to be the ridiculous scale victory she was looking at.

 

 

[msc 18,479]

"We will put a responsibility on industry not to direct users – even unintentionally
– to hate speech, pornography, or other sources of harm."

 

I wonder if she's covering Deathlist Forums under that worryingly vague definition of internet regulation.

[YoungWillz 21,062]

Paul Nuttall did his best Eric Morecambe impression on the Leaders' Debate tonight. Unfortunately, the punchline to every joke was "immigration".

 

Farron started well, then became Tiresome Tim with his parroted people's vote on Brexit. Can't accuse the others of sloganizing now, Timothy!

 

Love the way Nicola said "we've already done that in Scotland" - a lot. I'll bet she gets good ratings again. I can however appreciate how annoying it must be that the problems other parts of the UK agonise over, Scotland has fixed already.

 

Caroline Lucas has probably done more for the yoof vote tonight than anybody.

 

Leeane - well, I'm sorry for her she comes across as SNP light/Labour light. But she still hates UKIP, ignoring Nuttall's hand at the end there!

 

No wonder Theresa didn't turn up, She can't even win a debate in the street with someone with learning difficulties - how is she the best to negotiate a deal with the EU?

 

Jezza will regret his decision not to go - could have made great play of the public paying more regardless of who gets elected, Tories offering little to nothing in return, might as well get our railways back.

 

Much fun.

[Deathray 2,941]

1 minute ago, YoungWillz said:

Paul Nuttall did his best Eric Morecambe impression on the Leaders' Debate tonight. Unfortunately, the punchline to every joke was "immigration".

 

Farron started well, then became Tiresome Tim with his parroted people's vote on Brexit. Can't accuse the others of sloganizing now, Timothy!

 

Love the way Nicola said "we've already done that in Scotland" - a lot. I'll bet she gets good ratings again. I can however appreciate how annoying it must be that the problems other parts of the UK agonise over, Scotland has fixed already.

 

Caroline Lucas has probably done more for the yoof vote tonight than anybody.

 

Leeane - well, I'm sorry for her she comes across as SNP light/Labour light. But she still hates UKIP, ignoring Nuttall's hand at the end there!

 

No wonder Theresa didn't turn up, She can't even win a debate in the street with someone with learning difficulties - how is she the best to negotiate a deal with the EU?

 

Jezza will regret his decision not to go - could have made great play of the public paying more regardless of who gets elected, Tories offering little to nothing in return, might as well get our railways back.

 

Much fun.

 

That's bizzarre since she didn't appear. 

 

Meanwhile, the Tories are clearly rattled.

[YoungWillz 21,062]

1 minute ago, Deathray said:

 

That's bizzarre since she didn't appear. 

 

Meanwhile, the Tories are clearly rattled.

What were you watching? I've either got Peter Falk Syndrome or I deffo saw Caroline Lucas on the show.

[YoungWillz 21,062]