Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

12 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

What did we learn tonight?

 

Tezza sanctions overseas aid to North Korea and finds it interesting to hear about horrific experiences under the Work Capability Assessment.

 

Jezza won't use the nuclear deterrent (is that news?) and seems unconcerned about the plight of hardworking business people who feel threatened by the loss of their cheap labour because of the hike in the minimum wage.

 

So nothing really. Both unfettered will be a disaster for substantial chunks of the land. Gawd, will it ever end? Oh yes, next week, almost forgot...

Cheap labour?

Like cheaper than the labour in Bangladesh? Less expensive than in Poland? etc etc..

I had no idea business people had to be philanthropic.

[YoungWillz 19,103]

2 hours ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

Cheap labour?

Like cheaper than the labour in Bangladesh? Less expensive than in Poland? etc etc..

I had no idea business people had to be philanthropic.

British people have a proud tradition of being non-philanthropic, I'd suggest even though they think they are, when it comes to business. From the height of the Empire to Europe, Johnny Foreigner has always propped up our economy. That supply is about to dry up considerably.

 

Meantime, the British worker is so self-flagellating, many are content to work for wages which don't actually sustain a living standard, while whinging all the time about how hard life is. The great tradition of complaining in secret about it can be maintained. They get what they deserve.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

12 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

British people have a proud tradition of being non-philanthropic, I'd suggest even though they think they are, when it comes to business. From the height of the Empire to Europe, Johnny Foreigner has always propped up our economy. That supply is about to dry up considerably.

 

Meantime, the British worker is so self-flagellating, many are content to work for wages which don't actually sustain a living standard, while whinging all the time about how hard life is. The great tradition of complaining in secret about it can be maintained. They get what they deserve.

Aye, they should really breed like rats and sign on.

[YoungWillz 19,103]

1 minute ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

Aye, they should really breed like rats and sign on.

 Any state which provides incentives for people to sign on has failed its people. If the incentive to work is less than the incentive not to then it is, quite correctly, a failed state. That needs to be fixed.

 

Work brings attendant costs. Childcare, travelling, lunch and the soul destroying company of strangers you have nothing in common with! That's before you've considered a mortgage, heating, eating, blah blah blah. When the entry level pay to work is so low that the basics are unaffordable, it is also a failed state, because then the safety net reduces further.

 

The race to the bottom isn't the UK becoming a tax haven imo, the race to the bottom has begun at the most basic level of work paying. It will continue. It will get worse. Is there a better way? Who knows?

[Spade_Cooley 9,023]

Stunned that the Tories didn't realise that Corbyn's main weakness is Trident earlier tbh. He's from the Stop the War/CND wing of the left, which means he's anti-nuclear, but his greatest supporters are trade unionists, and cancelling Trident would be the easiest way to upset union leaders possible. Thus he's stuck with his ridiculous position of "I will spend money building something I promise not to use".

[charon 4,938]

Childcare willz only comes in to it if the lassies work. Unlikely unless they are lesbians to be honest, and even then they can adopt in these enlightened times. Scrub benefits totally. Income Tax at 5%. Major jail time for business owners that take the piss. Immigration stopped. No house building. Punitive taxes on second homes. Destroy the NHS, start again and not hire females bar nurses, and no cunt in it paid more than £70k.  Vote Charon, you know it makes sense 

 

 

 

[YoungWillz 19,103]

2 minutes ago, charon said:

Childcare willz only comes in to it if the lassies work. Unlikely unless they are lesbians to be honest, and even then they can adopt in these enlightened times. Scrub benefits totally. Income Tax at 5%. Major jail time for business owners that take the piss. Immigration stopped. No house building. Punitive taxes on second homes. Destroy the NHS, start again and not hire females bar nurses, and no cunt in it paid more than £70k.  Vote Charon, you know it makes sense 

 

 

 

Or we could just launch a nuclear strike on ourselves and start over as you suggest.

 

I'm against nuclear in principle, if we are under threat of attack, we are fried and no amount of retaliation will save us. If we use it first, retaliation follows and we are fried anyway.

 

I included childcare in working costs as a lot of households are making ends meet by sending both parents out to work (try affording a house on one income?), I dunno, the practical side of heterosexuality escapes me.

[charon 4,938]

Well, scotchland and England were seperated by an ocean back in the day. WE get back to that and we'll be fine willz. No property owned by non nationals based in the country , no voting until 16 years resident etc etc. A Nation again......

[YoungWillz 19,103]

5 minutes ago, charon said:

Well, scotchland and England were seperated by an ocean back in the day. WE get back to that and we'll be fine willz. No property owned by non nationals based in the country , no voting until 16 years resident etc etc. A Nation again......

Now that I'll vote for...

[msc 17,762]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

 Any state which provides incentives for people to sign on has failed its people. If the incentive to work is less than the incentive not to then it is, quite correctly, a failed state. That needs to be fixed.

 

True story. We earn less now from work at home (saves childcare costs, plus lack of places due to the mass nursery/school places axe right in the midst of a baby boom - top idea, Labour!) than I did on the dole. Well, more, technically, but less "in real terms" once you count in the sharp tax and rent rises that come with "no being on benefits".

 

Work. It doesn't pay.

 

I mean, I'm a bad example because I'm an idiot, but my brother in law works full time as a garage mechanic and brings home less than someone on ESA would in a fortnight, thanks to severe underpaying below minimum wage and no fuckers in charge giving a toss about the working classes.

 

 

[YoungWillz 19,103]

2 minutes ago, msc said:

 

I mean, I'm a bad example because I'm an idiot, but my brother in law works full time as a garage mechanic and brings home less than someone on ESA would in a fortnight, thanks to severe underpaying below minimum wage and no fuckers in charge giving a toss about the working classes.

 

 

Surely the dance routines compensate though?

 

 

[msc 17,762]

6 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Surely the dance routines compensate though?

 

 

 

 

Given the number of "girlfriends" he's had since I've known him, it can't hurt!

[Deathray 2,933]

Latest IPSOS mori poll unadjusted figures show Labour ahead 43-40. 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-ahead-of-conservatives-tories-ipsos-mori-poll-unadjusted-a7770651.html

 

Could this election actually be far closer than everybody expected?

 

 

[Youwanticewiththat 610]

After Brexit, Trump - Corbyn seems next in the deplorable sequence.  Whoever thought 'strong and stable' was a vote winner needs help.

[msc 17,762]

Corbyn's not going to win. He's an OAP who is electorally toxic to 40% of the population, and is reliant on adoration from his own fans who go to meetin...

 

Err. He's behind in the polls, and in Theresa May we have an established establishment character, even if folk aren't massively enthused in her...

 

Err. His foreign policy history is widely seen as dodgy by swing voters and likely to be electoral pois...

 

Err.

 

Nah, still not going to happen.

[Deathray 2,933]

Just because he's toxic to 40% of the population doesn't mean he's not going to win, there seems to be a huge return to two party politics that could benefit him.

[gcreptile 10,236]

Is there early voting in the UK?

 

If not, the latest swing could be "really" dangerous for May. It's moving towards a tie.

[msc 17,762]

7 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Is there early voting in the UK?

 

If not, the latest swing could be "really" dangerous for May. It's moving towards a tie.

 

There is. Started over a week ago.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

26 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Is there early voting in the UK?

 

If not, the latest swing could be "really" dangerous for May. It's moving towards a tie.

The polls over the last election and referendum have been wrong.

The reason that they were wrong was that no account was taken of the reality that more people would not publicly state that they were voting Conservative or Brexit.

There is a vociferous 'minority' in this country that view even a slight bias towards the right as somesort of Political paedophillia.

The left are very adept at getting the young, the anti fascists and anti perspirant out onto the streets with well made banners and well organised chanting.

It LOOKS like Corbyn is on a surge but millions of people are staying quiet in their intentions to vote.

UKIPs vote will collapse ( Farage has only made ONE appearance in a safe seat this election because he is distancing himself from their demise) and most of the UKIP votes will go to the Tories.

Its a shit election with shit candidates but the Polls no longer tell the story, people have been demonized for having a Political opinion that isnt straight out of Socialist Worker.

[Deathray 2,933]

4 minutes ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

The polls over the last election and referendum have been wrong.

The reason that they were wrong was that no account was taken of the reality that more people would not publicly state that they were voting Conservative or Brexit.

There is a vociferous 'minority' in this country that view even a slight bias towards the right as somesort of Political paedophillia.

The left are very adept at getting the young, the anti fascists and anti perspirant out onto the streets with well made banners and well organised chanting.

It LOOKS like Corbyn is on a surge but millions of people are staying quiet in their intentions to vote.

UKIPs vote will collapse ( Farage has only made ONE appearance in a safe seat this election because he is distancing himself from their demise) and most of the UKIP votes will go to the Tories.

Its a shit election with shit candidates but the Polls no longer tell the story, people have been demonized for having a Political opinion that isnt straight out of Socialist Worker.

 

Most of the polling companies have updated their methodology to account for shy Tories and artificially inflate the Tory vote.

[Youwanticewiththat 610]

My son should be voting for the first time.  He'd gotten himself ready and applied for a proxy vote.  He then looked at all our local candidates.  He read all the manifestoes etc etc and disappointingly (he took the right to exercise his vote very seriously), couldn't find a candidate in all consciousness he could vote for...... 

[Deathray 2,933]

56 minutes ago, Youwanticewiththat said:

My son should be voting for the first time.  He'd gotten himself ready and applied for a proxy vote.  He then looked at all our local candidates.  He read all the manifestoes etc etc and disappointingly (he took the right to exercise his vote very seriously), couldn't find a candidate in all consciousness he could vote for...... 

 

We have FPTP, we don't vote for unless were in a safe seat, we vote against.

 

Get him to think about which party he'd prefer wasn't in government then look at the results from the last election and see if he can vote to keep them out by voting another party. 

[Youwanticewiththat 610]

Sadly we're in a constituency which has one of the safest seats for a particular party - even the Portillo effect wouldn't be an embuggerance here -he did consider that option Deathray.  

[Deathray 2,933]

Just now, Youwanticewiththat said:

Sadly we're in a constituency which has one of the safest seats for a particular party - even the Portillo effect wouldn't be an embuggerance here -he did consider that option Deathray.  

 

Then at that point consider short money. Every vote = 17p or something for his favourite party in parliament. 

[Deathray 2,933]

May blatantly chasing the UKIP vote in post-attack statement.