Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[Deathray 2,940]

Just now, YoungWillz said:

What were you watching? I've either got Peter Falk Syndrome or I deffo saw Caroline Lucas on the show.

 

Sorry that's me being a dunce. I'm not watching it and assumed Natalie Bennet would be on it, didn't realise the Greens had re-elected Caroline Loonycus.

[Grim Up North 3,605]

2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Fifteen to One back on?

[Deathray 2,940]

Patrick McCloughin's been eating buzzword soup;

 

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Theresa May may not have been at the ITV debate, but her party have now put out a response.

Chairman Sir Patrick McLoughlin dismissed those leaders who did take part as a "coalition of chaos" who "just want to return to division, and would undermine our Brexit negotiation and Britain's long-term economic security".

 

[YoungWillz 19,980]

Oh, the Scottish Tories' manifesto is "fun".

 

They say they will maintain Winter Fuel Payments for all pensioners. Yep, you heard rightly. To paraphrase, that's a big "fuck you" to rUK!

 

In other news, they want to introduce fracking (idiotic), give a tax cut to wealthier people (really, you'll probably raise National Insurance immediately after the election), and introduce directly elected provosts (mayors) to Scotland (because Scots must be assimilated by shoe-horning an English system involving yet more expensive elections).

 

Given what they've already announced nationally, those 12 seats they were going to pick up - I'd suggest a wipeout.  And in that vein:

 

 

[YoungWillz 19,980]

Theresa says Jezza cannot be trusted with the defence of the nation.

 

She's right. On Trident, Thornberry says one thing, Griffith says something else and Jezza has a third way. Maybe that's why it's called Tri-dent.

 

But can Theresa and crew be trusted? If Trump says launch, the Tories say we will launch. Without consultation. Without thought. Without regard to the people of the nation or whether it's in UK interests rather than America's interest.

 

That's your choice on defence. So technically it's not an issue at the election.

[Deathray 2,940]

There's no chance of trident being scrapped, Labour resolved that issue clearly and chose to keep it. 

 

Labour do seem to be gaining ground whilst the Conservatives appear to be losing it. Still not confident on my bet on a Labour majority coming off.

 

The bottom line is the Tories are setting out to rob young people and old people of all income brackets, while Labour simply want to take from the rich. I can't believe people are still considering voting Tory. Even if Labour get in there's no guarantee Corbyn will be leader for note than a few years, remember which PM we (technically hadn't) voted for in 2015 - yet two years later there's a new one.

 

The dementia tax has the hallmarks of a policy that could get you thrown out of office if it wasn't in a manifesto. I wouldn't be surprised if that is May's primary reason for calling this election. It seems to be backfiring though as many start to realise the implications.

 

People normally vote selfishly. The selfish vote for pensioners, graduates, lower to middle earners and students alike is a vote for Labour. The recent poll bounce is clear evidence of that finally penetrating into public consciousness.

 

This is the first election for an entire generation where the choice is between two such different approaches. We finally have the chance to end the Thatcherite consensus yet unbelievably we're going to waste it so we xsn be a bit more racist.

 

[YoungWillz 19,980]

U-turn announced on social care policy by Tezza! There will now be a cap on how much people will pay, only Tezza can't tell us what that will be. Only forgot to put that in the manifesto - and is still massively going to hit people who are looked after in their own homes.

 

The woman who forgot Gibraltar. The woman who won't tell us what she is going to negotiate on. What kind of a deal will she come back with? What and who will be forgotten about? Good grief woman!

[msc 18,062]

It'll be portrayed as a big success by the Mail and Express, and she will get her landslide.

[Grim Up North 3,605]

Does anybody else think it is just frigging ridiculous that we own Gibraltar anyhow?

 

And the Falklands for that matter! 

 

It's like Brazil owning the Isle of Wight.

[Deathray 2,940]

Be complain your policy hit's the poor and middle class the hardest, so you make it hit the poor and middle class even harder.

 

Also seen as she can't tell us what the cap is all she needs to do is set it above the realistic cost of care and she's got the original policy anyway. This is blatant electioneering from the weak and wobbly government. 

 

[YoungWillz 19,980]

7 minutes ago, msc said:

It'll be portrayed as a big success by the Mail and Express, and she will get her landslide.

Fair dos, probably, but this smacks of economic incompetence along the lines of the NI increase. If there's a cap and we don't know what that is, we also don't know the size of the hole blown in Tory figures by any limit, who will pay for that, etc? Still doesn't get away from the problem of discouraging a property owning democracy.

 

10 minutes ago, Grim Up North said:

Does anybody else think it is just frigging ridiculous that we own Gibraltar anyhow?

 

And the Falklands for that matter! 

 

It's like Brazil owning the Isle of Wight.

Why not include Northern Ireland?

[msc 18,062]

Who do you think will pay for it?

 

 

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

7 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Fair dos, probably, but this smacks of economic incompetence along the lines of the NI increase. If there's a cap and we don't know what that is, we also don't know the size of the hole blown in Tory figures by any limit, who will pay for that, etc? Still doesn't get away from the problem of discouraging a property owning democracy.

 

Why not include Northern Ireland?

And Scotland.

[YoungWillz 19,980]

1 minute ago, msc said:

Who do you think will pay for it?

 

 

Easy. There will be an income tax rise, alongside the earlier announced NI increase which is coming.

 

And it will get worse when Tezza announces transitional arrangements that will keep us in the EU (and paying for it) until 2028.

[Deathray 2,940]

9 minutes ago, msc said:

Who do you think will pay for it?

 

 

 

Tax rises. Or just adding it to the national debt so they can pretend it's not a deficit increase as they've been doing for the last 7 years. 

[msc 18,062]

Only 2028? Optimistic.

 

Seriously, the Tory manifesto is shit, full of regressive uncosted policies at a time when the economic outlook is uncertain, to say the least. It's also full of stuff - the internet regulations plans, for one - which are authoritarian "nanny state" shit that they claim others come up with.

 

[Grim Up North 3,605]

13 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Why not include Northern Ireland?

Yeah - it's like Brazil owning the Isle of Wight and Northern Ireland (and Scotland for The Mad Hatter).

[Deathray 2,940]

Just now, msc said:

Only 2028? Optimistic.

 

Seriously, the Tory manifesto is shit, full of regressive uncosted policies at a time when the economic outlook is uncertain, to say the least. It's also full of stuff - the internet regulations plans, for one - which are authoritarian "nanny state" shit that they claim others come up with.

 

 

Such as abolishing the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, basically allowing Mrs May to consistently call an election when she thinks she can win it. 

 

IDs being required in order for people to vote will mean that poorer people will have to pay to vote, as they might be less likely to have photograph ID that's still in date. 

 

The internet seems to be a track towards some sort of dictatorial internet access.

 

 

[msc 18,062]

At this point, Jeremy Corbyn winning would be a bit of a laugh, and not much difference to Theresa May in terms of competence, imo.

 

Alas, very unlikely. I mean, he's an OAP with a controversial past, who isn't very good at public speaking, the polls are against him, he commits PR errors every day, he's against a dour women whom there is no alternative opposition (and who beat a slightly crazy popular figure to the leadership), he gets no debate poll bounce, and even his own party are distancing themselves from him. There's also the belief he'd be a disaster at foreign policy and his domestic policy seems focused on a few rough areas of the map, while the Tories shoot all around the country trying to win Opposition safe seats.

 

Sorry, just got a strong sense of deja vu for some reason...

 

 

[Grim Up North 3,605]

Seriously I think (haven't checked my facts) that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are bound together by an agreement amongst ourselves that no other country was involved in.

 

Whereas we won Gibraltar from Spain in a war back in the early 18th century but it is only spitting distance from Spain so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for us to still claim it as ours.

[YoungWillz 19,980]

Jezza meantime is shooting himself in the foot. He's actually welcomed the U-Turn! And the press and the Tories going after him on failing to condemn the IRA.

 

I'm sure even Tezza would condemn Nazi Germany, despite following their policies...

[msc 18,062]

Can always count on Prescott to do some calm and subtle campaigning...

 

[Spade_Cooley 9,211]

Do you get the impression the Tories are deliberately tanking the polls a bit because Lynton Crosby is desperate for an excuse to use all the "lol IRA" adverts he's come up with?

[Deathray 2,940]

i think when the dust settles many will realise this isn't a u-turn just a re-spinning. 

 

Also does anyone think there might he an overcorrection factirfor the shy Tory problem meaning Labour could win?

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,181]

Fuck politics, get drunk instead.

Yours utterly fuckrd off with this election

LFN x